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10 reasons why Ubuntu 12.10 desktop blows away Windows 8

Ubuntu 12.10 has arrived, and Windows 8 is just around the corner. Jack Wallen says there's no contest between the two.

History is a grand teacher. And in recent years, Ubuntu Linux has had to deal with a few hiccups in its history. To be specific, when Ubuntu Unity arrived, Ubuntu Linux usage dropped dramatically. When Windows 8 arrives, people are going to have similar issues with the drastic (and not terribly intelligent) changes made to the user interface.

But it's not just Windows 8's shortcomings that make Ubuntu 12.10 the better option. Ubuntu has made some serious progress in the realm of efficiency and user friendliness. With yesterday's release of 12.10, the improvements continue. Let's examine some of the reasons why Ubuntu 12.10 will blow away Windows 8.

1: Amazon search

This is something new to every desktop platform. With Ubuntu Unity's Dash, when you run a search, the search results will include items that can be purchased from Amazon.com. This feature takes online shopping (be it personal or for business) to a new level. Hopefully, at some point, the API for this feature will spread out and users and businesses will be able to include their favorite shopping sites. With all other platforms, you have to go through the steps of opening up your browser, launching the site, searching for the product, and clicking the desired product.

2: Dash previews

When you do search in the Dash, Unity will give you an interactive preview of the results. If the results are audio files, you can right-click the file to get a preview window. You can either show that file in its folder or play the file. If the file is a document, the preview will allow you to open the containing folder, open the file, or email the file.

3: Interface based on efficiency

From the ground up, Canonical and the Ubuntu Unity developers focused on creating an interface that would make day-to-day work as efficient as possible. I can attest, after using Unity since it first launched, that 12.10 is the most efficient desktop interface I have ever used. Those accustomed to switching back and forth between the mouse and the keyboard will happily make user of the Launcher. Users who want a more efficient means of interfacing with their machine will zoom along with the Dash -- fingers rarely leaving the keyboard for the mouse.

4: Remote login

This feature is simply amazing. At the Ubuntu login prompt, there are three options: User Login, Guest Session, and Remote Login. The Remote Login allows you to set up remote connections (through UbuntuOne), which you can then log onto from the login screen. No more having to log onto a session and then use a VNC or RDP tool to connect. Now you can gain fast access to those remote machines. You will not find such efficient means of gaining a remote desktop in Windows 8.

5: Integrated Web services

Ubuntu 12.10 has Web services directly integrated into both the Launcher and the Dash, making it one of the most well connected interfaces on the planet. The simplest example of this is the ability to have the arrival of Gmail announced in the notification area. But the Google integration doesn't end there. Once you've authenticated that online account with Unity, you can search your Google Apps account from within the Dash and open files with a simple click.

6: Ease of app installation

This ties into the Dash, as do many other features in 12.10. Open the Dash, click on the Application Lens, search for an application, and right-click the listing to immediately install. There's not even a need to open the Ubuntu Software Center to install applications. If you left-click on the search result, the Software Center will open. It's wise to retain this option so that when applications have settings (such as plug-ins that can be installed alongside the application), the user can take advantage of them. Windows 8's app store includes only Windows 8 (Metro) apps, and it's not nearly as efficient as the Unity take on installation.

7: Gradual change in UI

Ubuntu 12.10 benefits from a user interface that has been in the wild for more than a year. During that year, Unity has been prodded and polished by users and developers alike. Unity has matured faster than any desktop I can remember. Unlike Unity users, Windows users are going to be tossed into the arena with little-to-no-introduction. Yes, the same thing happened with Unity. But in the case of Ubuntu, users were able to continue using either Classic GNOME or GNOME Shell while they learned Unity.

8: Same interface from server to tablet

One of Mark Shuttleworth's goals has been to have an identical interface on all Ubuntu-powered devices. Now that the Linux kernel has tackled the ARM issue, Ubuntu will be able to find its way onto tablet devices. With users (and support) being able to enjoy the same interface on tablets, desktops, and servers, life will become much easier across the board.

9: Performance boost

A number of improvements combine to give Ubuntu 12.10 a significant performance increase. The merging of the Unity 2D and 3D, kernel improvements, OpenGL performance boosts, and the inclusion of the new X.org X Windows stack all make for a lightning fast Unity desktop. From Ubuntu 12.04 to 12.10, I have noticed a significant increase in both performance and reliability -- and that was an upgrade install!

10: Share Links file sharing

Ubuntu already had a built-in cloud storage system -- UbuntuOne. I've been using that system for quite some time now and have found it to be much richer than, say, Dropbox. But Canonical wasn't happy with just the inclusion of cloud storage in Ubuntu. To take this to a new level, it decided to allow users to share files with others via Share Links. This feature lets you copy links to files within your UbuntuOne cloud storage and share those files with other users. Yet another tool in Ubuntu arsenal called "efficiency."

Watershed release?

The user friendliness keeps piling on with Ubuntu 12.10. I fully believe this will be the release that opens the eyes of the public at large to Ubuntu. Once users see how much more friendly and usable Ubuntu is over Windows 8, they'll be flocking to the open source desktop.

Do you agree that Ubuntu 12.10 has it all over Windows 8? What other factors do you think make one platform better than the other?

About

Jack Wallen is an award-winning writer for TechRepublic and Linux.com. He’s an avid promoter of open source and the voice of The Android Expert. For more news about Jack Wallen, visit his website getjackd.net.

162 comments
Choperro
Choperro

1 - Amazon search 

HORRIBLE!!


2 - "Dash previews" Pfff!

The first, and maybe only, thing the dash should do is to let you access immediately to RECENT (files, places and apps),

FAVOURITE (files, places and apps), SEARCH&OPEN (files, places and apps), How many recent? As many as you want. It is not ok to leave a recent linking to a file that does not exist because you moved it and when you click it opens an empty file, it should say that file does not exist.


5 - "Once you've authenticated that online account with Unity, you can search your Google Apps account from within the Dash and open files with a simple click." --- HORRIBLE!!


6 - "Ease of app installation" 

Unity, synaptic, software center, .... Labyrinthic!

They shouldn't have taken ou synaptic in the first place


7 - "Gradual change in UI"

They shouldn't change so much the interface, learn from Apple, Think first and implement later with the minimum changes possible.

"PAUCA SED MATURA" should became their lemma

8: Same interface from server to tabletI stopped using ubuntu because I don't want an interface of a telephone in a desktop. HORRIBLE!!


9 - Performance boost

Ubuntu family, including lubuntu is becoming impossible to use in old computers. In most cases it is worst than Windoze

10 - Share Links file sharing

BEWARE THE CLOUD. Those features are normal in almost all dropbox type services.

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The VERY FIRST thing they should do (instead of horrible Unitys that separate the community )  is an ADVANCED SEARCH for apt packages and for man pages

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Choperro
Choperro

1 - Amazon search -- HORRIBLE!!


2 - "Dash previews" Pfff!

The first, and maybe only, thing the dash should do is to let you access immediately to RECENT (files, places and apps),

FAVOURITE (files, places and apps), SEARCH&OPEN (files, places and apps), How many recent? As many as you want. It is not ok to leave a recent linking to a file that does not exist because you moved it and when you click it opens an empty file, it should say that file does not exist.


5 - "Once you've authenticated that online account with Unity, you can search your Google Apps account from within the Dash and open files with a simple click." --- HORRIBLE!!


6 - "Ease of app installation" 

Unity, synaptic, software center, .... Labyrinthic!

They shouldn't have taken ou synaptic in the first place


7 - "Gradual change in UI"

They shouldn't change so much the interface, learn from Apple, Think first and implement later with the minimum changes possible.

"PAUCA SED MATURA" should became their lemma

8: Same interface from server to tabletI stopped using ubuntu because I don't want an interface of a telephone in a desktop. HORRIBLE!!


9 - Performance boost

Ubuntu family, including lubuntu is becoming impossible to use in old computers. In most cases it is worst than Windoze

10 - Share Links file sharing

BEWARE THE CLOUD. Those features are normal in almost all dropbox type services.

   ---------------------- NOTE ---------------------

The VERY FIRST thing they should do (instead of horrible Unitys that separate community )  is an ADVANCED SEARCH for apt packages and for man pages

   -----------------------------------------------------------


lawks
lawks

I upgraded to Windows 8 then took it off and went back to Windows 7. I then decided to try Ubuntu. I'm new to Ubuntu but familiar with the old DOS terminal command line which helped me navigate Ubuntu directories and install software. I was impressed with the server capabilities and being able to use Ubuntu as a back up machine, video streaming device or web host. I like being able to access the Ubuntu server on my desktop through a web browser on my laptop and copying files over the LAN. I'm learning PHP and Javascript so it allows me to build applications locally then move those applications to the internet provider saving me time and bandwidth. I know a lot of these features are free or available on the Windows 8 platform but I just hate the new Windows 8 GUI which drove me to Ubuntu. In my opinion, Ubuntu 12.10 is an awesome FREE operating system and server but it's not for everyone just as Windows 8 isn't for everyone.

e-surfer
e-surfer

1.Amazon search : Where is that an improvement ? Privacy intrusion is an improvement ? What if I don't want commercials ? To me, and many others from OS world, it is a great error to include amazon in Ubuntu. 2.Dash previews : hum, have you ever used Windows ? file previews in explorer exists since XP... 3.Interface based on efficiency : What you found efficient in Unity, wasn't that efficient for many, many people. Linux Torvalds included. Same as Windows 8 modern UI, some love it, others hate it. 4.Remote login : It also exposes your external accounts to anybody who gets access to your laptop. It could be your lil bro... or a thief who just stoled your computer ! Combine this with a weak password, and you get the picture. Better use a RDP client once logged into your account. 5.Integrated web service : ever heard of gadgets ? Ever heard of active tiles ? 6.Ease of app installation : before commenting on Windows 8 store, you must know that it was done so that people could only install metro app from the store... Pretty much like the apple or android store. I hate that, many do. Also, you might find this wonderfully useful, but try installing something that's not in the repo. You'll get confronted to the old dependency hell, something that doesn't exist in Windows. 7.Remembering how funny it was to read linux zealots arguing, I really doubt you could qualify the Unity/Gnome 3 ui change as "gradual". Really, lol. 8.Same interface from server to tablet : well, that's the point. That's what you don't have a start menu in Windows 8 anymore... In which remote country have you been living ? Have you EVEN tried Windows 8 ?!! Also, for desktop use, server kernel isn't really optimal. Though Linus thinks it is, Con Kolivas doesn't, and he proves it. Learn about the great story behind the Brain F*ck Scheduler (BFS). 9.Performance boost : Windows 8 has great kernel optimisation... You can't see it if you haven't tried it... 10.Share Links file sharing : ...ever heard of Skydrive ? Sorry, but when you want to compare two things, you need to have basic knowledge, no deep knowledge of what you're comparing. Your article just shows how undocumented and ignorant you're about Windows, and even Linux. If I was Torvalds, I would have long told you "you're a moron, you better go die somewhere alone". And finally this : "I fully believe this will be the release that opens the eyes of the public at large to Ubuntu" That's what is said at each Ubuntu release, yet another proof of how much of a linux zealot you are...

Porterhaus
Porterhaus

Sorry, but I am having real difficulty trying to keep from laughing after reading this article. Amazon Search is one of the ten reasons it is better than Windows 8. Seriously????

sarmenhb
sarmenhb

i use ubuntu on a daily basis and have learned that its pretty buggy. If i can compare it to osx I would say that osx is much better for a web development environment because of all the amazing apps that exist on osx. Ubuntu might end up being amazing in the future but its going to take time by users adding more apps and having it be more stable. As far as windows goes i'm surprised their still not using a unix foundation. That whole c:/ crap has to go

drmtiede
drmtiede

what i really don't need, is that all i do is shared with the net. so excuse me, i will not update from 12.4 to 12.10. i don't need dropbox or ubuntu one, i have usb-sticks. i don't want, that everything i type is logged by amazone - if i want to search amazon i just open my google bookmark, otherwise i go to ebay or else for shopping. i don't want to sponsor ubuntu by selling my data to amazone. an other thing i noticed: some time ago (weeks) on the software center occurred a change. the front-page with proposed new software has pilled up with pay-software - it used to be freeware. has the money-making app-hype arrived in utopia? seems so. i'm just a user, not a developer and don't have to live on selling software, but linux seemed to be the free-mans-paradise, with a communist touch - everybody working together for a better future. now it's becoming paradise lost.

dinomutt
dinomutt

Or simply be appended with the words "For Linux Users"

Soulflare3
Soulflare3

Sorry but I just don't agree with this article. I love Ubuntu. I love Windows 8. I have both of them installed on my computer. Your points of "blowing windows away" are bad. Amazon Search? Really? Like I can't do that from my browser, or even the site itself? Gradual change in UI? HA - Good one "Ease of app installation" - Ubuntu has had that package manager in every version I've ever used. Windows has not. They have to start somewhere, then build up from there. Also it's not meant to have programs in the same way as Ubuntu, being that the programs in there have specific design requirements and have to be re-written from scratch in some cases. Having gone from 10.10 to 12.10, that is a HUGE jump, and not a nice one either (in my opinion anyway). Similar in comparison from going from Windows 7 to Windows 8... Just not as drastic.

allerguten
allerguten

I've been on the M$ side of things since its carnation... yes, there have been bumps in the road as for every OS. It's possible to use any OS for free... nuff said. My interest in ubuntu (any linux OS) is that it is a convertible, the footprint is small and it can do the same things as with any other OS, Apple and M$ has a marketing agenda whereas linux has none. Let's see if an Apple or M$ can mimick another OS. I am a programmer and I am just interested how it is accomplished. I am interested in the lastest & greatest techniques of how apps are developed and there have been many techniques which have come and gone,,, and good ol' linux using the same old tools which can do the same and/or more. An OS or the flavor is not that important, granted for noobs it is (getting it to work with their hardware), but an OS which is really free just ought to be explored and if it can help those who cannot shell out the bucks, let's try to delivery an experience which is on par as any other OS and learn from those who done it without any agenda. Within itself an app (OS) has to satisfy the user using it.

Dodo340
Dodo340

I have to agree with the other commenter's - Amazon Search is more likely a plus for Microsoft than for Ubuntu. My first experience with it was installing 12.10 on a customer's laptop. I needed to get to the terminal, so I started typing in Dash. All I got were several books available on seemingly related topics available to buy. What the freak!! I don't need retail suggestions when searching for programs that should be on the computer! Next thing I did was uninstall that completely ludicrous lens! I'm all for convincing people to switch from Microshaft to Linux, but lets stop taking marketing strategy from politicians and be truthful instead! There are more than enough reasons to switch to Linux than easier Amazon searching! Oh, and that customer's laptop? Has Fedora 17 on it. Wiped the Ubuntu install, which had issues with their HP laptop. Fedora runs beautifully. Was easier to install than Vista (which it came with) or 7 - other, good & realistic reason to switch...

congojames
congojames

When you measure your download speeds in kb's and sometimes b's rather than mb's /sec not needing to update virus definitions daily is a huge plus. Even bigger for those that want to use flash disks to transfer files and have no internet access to update their AV. I have installed Ubuntu on hundreds of machines here and generally the learning curve for ex-Windows users is "no, you don't use a dvd to install your printer, just plug it in". Once they get past that we're done. Libreoffice works just fine for me and everyone that I know. Granted it takes more work to make a border of flowers but then I don't really ever do that. For those people here with old old machines I have a copy of Ubuntu with the LXDE on my flash drive that I can install. All the software with a very light desktop, I've gotten it running on a machine with 128mb RAM. For those with several very old machines and one good one it took me about an hour to learn how and to setup a network with 10 very old machines running off a descent computer over the LAN. Very handy for schools that get a bunch of computers donated that are running windows95. (true story, we get a lot of donations like that here). Maybe now that Microsoft has decided that their clients, Dell, Acer, etc..., will also be their competitors, those manufacturers will stop subsidizing MS and install more Linux which can only help the community grow. As for gaming. I believe I read that MS wants 30% from programmers to be in their store. If the game programmers were to start releasing the Linux version for 30% less and a week earlier we'd see a rapid movement to linux in that market.

capeterson67
capeterson67

...but the situation has to be right. I am not a Linux fanboy. Neither am I a Windows automaton. I just need to get things done. I like and have done some fairly nice Ubuntu/Linux network deployments with up to 30 clients plus a server box or two. For business startups who need some basic business functionality Linux is great. I would LOVE to LOVE Linux...but I just can't. For all their attempts and claims of something similar to active directory and/or Group Policy...it just isn't there. Open/Libre Office is great for some basic things but writing complex custom reports that pull data from a SQL server, nothing beats Access if you know what you are doing. If none of your customers/vendors use Open/Libre Office and like the rest of the world use MS Office and use it to make dynamic linked documents then the free office solution is great for internal use but the business world usually isn't like that. Until Linux can run the required software of the real world and do it reliably AND offer a real world method of centralized control and automation for a large scale domain network, Windows in some flavor is going to be the ticket. I AM however, very intrigued by a number of open source ERP solutions, several of which offer many of the same features as Great Plains and Mas-XXX including the ability to login and do real work via a web interface. THAT has potential. I recently switched over some of my financial and invoicing over to OpenERP and have been doing real time invoicing while onsite...pretty cool given how many thousands I would need to spend to do the same thing with a Dynamics product. I have been considering doing a write up of my experiences with it and submitting it to a site like TechRepub. All that said...Windows 8 is a non-starter for me. I will let the rest of the bleeding edge adventures play with it, crash their customers servers and waste their time restoring backed up data while figuring out the bugs and which older business software is supposed to be compatible but really isn't and blah blah blah. After a service pack or two is complete I MIGHT think about it as a viable, sellable, supportable product. In the mean time, I have too much real work that has to be done and done now to play with new toys or try and turn a novelty OS into an enterprise level network OS.

Donald-not-the-Duck
Donald-not-the-Duck

The year is 2012 and Mr. Wallen engages in some sort religious OS flame. Time to grow up. I am in IT for 14 years now and this juvenile nonsense never ceases to amaze me. I guess it is time to move beyond Tech Republic

dondidly
dondidly

I never did like the Unity interface when it first came out in 12.04 but I thought I'd give the new version a try. I really wanted to like it but it still doesn't do anything for me.... BUT the REAL problem for Linux is that some things just don't work! I tried to play a DVD movie - won't play. I've had other versions of Ubuntu [and other varieties of *nix] play DVDs without a single problem, but this one won't work. Always seems to be something wrong in most *nix distributions which is why it does not have a mass appeal.

zack402000
zack402000

Just tell me you really aren't serious about this report.........

spambayes
spambayes

This article misses the whole point like so many "Linux is better than Windows" articles. I couldn't care less whether I run Windows or Linux or OS X or BSD. It's just an OS to me. I'm completely OS-agnostic.An OS is simply a means to an end. And the end is the application. I, as well as many PC users, need and want applications (many of which are commercial) which are written for the Windows platform. No amount of polish or stability or speed any other OS has over Windows can persuade users to switch until this fundamental issue has been addressed.

alzie
alzie

Freshly installed 12.10 is pretty sluggy on my 2.2G dual core. I like using unity, but get irritated with its lack of responsiveness. Ive also installed Xubuntu and Cinnamon for when i want the relief of some speed. I especially like Xubu as i can arrange the panels to mimic unity, of course minus all of the itegration stuff, which is pretty cool, but that i dont use oftern, yet. I would like to see Can buff up the performance a bit. Unity isnt that much eye candy. I dont under stand why it should take sooo much horse power, although the task manager doesnt show that much being used, way less than 100% I confused!

jeffrey_paesch
jeffrey_paesch

I conclude from all posting the following 1 Many people have not test the resent Ubuntu 12.10 and or a nearest distro's, but they comment. Nor have they test Windows 8. Therefore before you post anything test both and come back 2 Lot of people always want to have it easy. Although many people today's have windows, they have always their IT or someone else to show them the most stupid things, like how to play their movie for example. I agree with you that you need to search a little bit to run Linux at first, but once you learn to manage it then it will be easy to run. 3 Lot of people does not like learn something new. When you have born you learn to speak and read, but when it comes to computer they never open their browser to search how to solve their IT problem. They use their computer for entertainment and pay the IT to do the research work. Or some are afraid to fail in process. 4 Linux do not have the fair chance. If there was a possibility to learn Linux at school like windows do then windows was never become so popular then like it is now. The same way people have learn use Windows the same way could happen to Linux if there was a possibility. 5 Microsoft contribute to person will never change to other system. Microsoft manage to make their OS the most User Friendly by minimizing the use of command, that is a plus. Therefore many people think that the way computer should be manage is by the way Microsoft design their OS. Therefore, some people get stuck when they need to process some command. What ever the above your situation I suggest everybody again to be open mind to any Linux distro's.

rhyde
rhyde

I agree with Mr. Wallen, but for different reasons. Although the 10 things Jack listed are neat, here are ten more... fast, easy, secure, cool, open, LibreOffice, stability, scalable, community, free

N1NJ4K1LL3R
N1NJ4K1LL3R

I wrote a 10 point reply, and then it hit me and then I started laughing! Guys, This article is comic relief, a smart and clever satire OF the typical linux user!. - Jack you almost had me, Haha!

ITOdeed
ITOdeed

Much of W8 is simply change for the sake of change, with some of the changes offering no improvement, but just change for the sake of change. Many of my clients are angry about this.

Craig_B
Craig_B

I think Jack had good intentions however just got over zealous when writing this article. Jack, maybe next time count to 10, relax and then write your article. Based on initial feedback that I have gathered on various blogs, boards, talking with people, most people do not like the Metro style interface of Windows 8, though some do. Does this mean the end of Windows; no but it most likely means the people will stay on Windows 7 longer. I upgraded from Ubuntu 12.04 to 12.10 yesterday and it was quite easy, in my quick analysis, it seems a little faster. I’m not crazy about the Amazon search but it’s not a big deal either way. I will play around with Ubuntu some more and get a better feel for it in the coming days. I don’t plan to upgrade to Windows 8 as I believe Ubuntu can do the things I want but time will tell. If Ubuntu and Linux in general want to become more main stream then they need to advertise as the majority of people don’t really know anything about it.

myangeldust
myangeldust

Unity. Ubuntu. Mint. Lime. Xubuntu. Lubuntu. Chromium. Vanilla. Flow. I am all about diversity, can't get enough of it. But seriously do you ever wonder why Linux has not gone mainstream? That was just an observation. Diehard Linux fans put the razorblade down, now.

petin_y
petin_y

THIS AUTHOR IS A CLOWN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Jaqui
Jaqui

the butchered security with the default sudo config using a USER password to access ADMIN tools instead of a separate ADMIN password is insane. the requirement of the GNU Network Object Model Environment ( GNOME for the uninitiated) [ worst ui ever designed ] makes it as bloated as possible, for poor performance every time. [ gnome lost any credibility when I first looked at it and got ERROR messages on a non networked system, BECAUSE is was not networked, back in 1998 ] I bet most people that have never even looked at Linux, coming from a windows only experience, would find PCLINUXOS or Mandriva far less of a learning curve. but then, both use the windows clone KDE [ as bloated as gnome is now ] so at least half the ui is familiar right from the start. to bad no one major distro defaults to the cleanest, most efficient ui option, Enlightenment. no task bar, no start menu / menu bar, just click on the "desktop" anywhere to get the menus. and you can ADD those widgets you find most useful to your desktop and they will load every time you login. But E isn't a desktop environment, it is the back end of one, a window manager. means it provides the functionality, but doesn't force a specific workflow on you.

MrElectrifyer
MrElectrifyer

The title should really be changed to "10 [b]Openions on[/b] why Ubuntu 12.10 desktop blows away Windows 8". This is more like advertising your opinion.

LinuxForAll
LinuxForAll

Did you know? Hardware manufactures pay or have some agreement with MS to signed their drivers. This came about because of popularity, meaning, the more people use, buy, promote an application the more manufactures will support the platform. Therefore, if you want your favourite hardware to be supported on Linux, then start using, promoting, educating people on Linux. Simple maths, really.

Gisabun
Gisabun

If someone who wasn't in open source blogged how good Ubuntu 12.10 is then I would taker a look - but it's Jack Wallen. It is laughable as well. For example in #10, he compares Ubuntu's cloud offering with Dropbox. What is this nonsense about links? If I drop a file into Dropbox and with a couple of clicks i can give any user a direct link to the file. Hey Jack. Have you actually used Windows 8 or just took someone whining word about it? "I have noticed a significant increase in both performance and reliability" - OK Jack, how many days have you used Ubuntu 12.10 to call it reliable and stable? Come back after a couple of months. Oh and that means 12.04 is unstable & unreliable [compared to you limited testing of Windows 8].

mikifinaz1
mikifinaz1

Even Mac OS9 beats the pants off of Septic 8

daboochmeister
daboochmeister

If you can file a bug report, you can become a part of the process and help get it fixed ... with FOSS, you can have a direct impact on making it better.

capeterson67
capeterson67

...about the gaming market. I will drill it down a bit further and say that the one big obstacle to that happening is all the various distros that exist. No one is going to want to code and test for 5 various flavors of Linux. If one of those distros (say, Ubuntu) were to strike up a deal with Blizzard and help them port over some of their more popular titles to run completely native in Linux, you might really give the OS a major boost.

jeffrey_paesch
jeffrey_paesch

I really appreciate your comment and will not contradict it. I want to add some info to your knowledge regarding pulling data from SQL. Libre office is capable to do that for you but in a different way. In MSo i use Macro created with VBA to generate complex reporting and you can do the same way iin Libre Office but in another program language. I have heard that are some convertes to convert vba to open office script language, but never tested. In addition, ope office is capable to load and run VBA script. (I tested and works fine as far as I have test it) Last but not least, thanks again for your input

mark.cooper
mark.cooper

I wonder if he spends the time to read the responses to his blogs. I respect Ed Bott, Mary Jo Foley, and Donovan Colbert for responding to the people that take the time to read and respond to their blogs.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

It doesn't matter what the desktop looks like if the underlying OS won't run the programs I want / need / am required to use. I'm amazed this discussion got this far before someone pointed it out.

gechurch
gechurch

"...before you post anything test both and come back" There's nothing in the article I see that needs you to have used either Ubuntu 12 or WIndows 8 in order to reply. Heck, maybe the new Amazon integration has the slickest UI in the world, and a perfect API. I still don't need to play with it to know that it's not a feature I want to use. "...they have always their IT or someone else to show them the most stupid things, like how to play their movie for example. I agree with you that you need to search a little bit to run Linux at first, but once you learn to manage it then it will be easy to run." So people that can't figure out the most basic thing like playing a movie in Windows and can't be bothered Googling how to do it should... switch to Linux and Google even more stuff! The root problem you've identified is people not being willing to try for themselves. I fail to see how moving to a new OS solves that problem. "Linux do not have the fair chance" Well duh! Of course Windows is taught in schools. That's what 90% of businesses use. The point of school is to prepare you for life. I don't think you'd have happy students if you decided to teach on Linux, or BeOS, or any other marginal OS. "Therefore, some people get stuck when they need to process some command." Yep, people are scared of the command line (think of it as a positive - you look super-geeky when you hack away at that prompt!). I'm not sure why you have such a hard time understanding that people want tools that are easy to use and don't need deep knowledge or searching the Internet to do basic things. This isn't unique to Windows. iOS pretty much nails easy of use and it's been a runaway success. And there's plenty of precedence in the physical world too. Would you want to have to Google how to record a show using your new PVR? Or read the manual to figure out how to change the browning setting on your toaster? I know I wouldn't. Give me the interface that is consistent and easy to understand, thanks. "What ever the above your situation I suggest everybody again to be open mind to any Linux distro's" That's fine, but what's in it for me? If you want people to switch there needs to be a pay-off. "You get to re-learn all the things you already know how to do on Windows" is a hard-sell. As has proven the case, you'll get a bunch of geeks that enjoy learning new systems, but it's not a sales-pitch that will work in the mainstream.

myangeldust
myangeldust

What does that even mean? Since Windows 95 folks have been making shortcuts on their desktops to their fav programs. They don't have to do that in Windows 8. Now they have this screen customized to their personal tastes that gives them everything they ever wanted. Is that not the definition of an improvement? Even more since some programs will provide feedback on that screen without user intervention. Let's re-title yours to: "Replying for the sake of replying."

dogknees
dogknees

... tell us how you know what the designers were thinking? How do you know that their intent is "change for change sake" which what you say? Sorry, but there are no mind readers, and attempting the impossible is obviously never clever.

gechurch
gechurch

Whether you think it blows away Windows or not, there's no questioning that Linux is a very good operating system (with great bang for your buck too!). But the diversity of options makes it harder for someone to make the switch. And imagine how good it would be if everyone worked together instead of creating yet another distro.

gechurch
gechurch

I always laugh when people say their new system is so much more reliable than the old, while still claiming that their old system was bulletproof. Which one is it? Either your old system did have issues, or you're lying about the improvements.

congojames
congojames

"No one is going to want to code and test for 5 various flavors of Linux." Don't need to, they all use the linux kernel, the rest is the UI. So you have to create one installer, let's say RPM and the rest, DEB for example take about 30 seconds to convert. Not a huge investment in time. Adding to the why. Language flexibility. Not only can I change the language at the install I can add other languages and one of these days I just might let my students loose to add the local language to the repository. Reading more of the messages. About the only thing LibreOffice doesn't open well is embedded scripts in a document. Tell you what, I don't want to open documents with embedded scripts, I really hate virus attacks. The guy concerned with using a user password rather than an admin password for system config? I got news for you, that user password works for that only if that user is the admin or a user given admin rights. All other users can only change their particular preferences. Speaking of security, what do you have to do in windows to have an encrypted home folder? Because if it isn't encrypted it can be easily opened in seconds. Ubuntu gives you that option. Real world aps. go to an EU or many other European sites and see how many offer everything in ODT format rather than DOCX. Once people get over the it's free can't be good model they find the can live without MS. Pulling data from an SQL server. If you know what you are doing PHP writes great reports that cross platform. "offer a real world method of centralized control and automation for a large scale domain network" What do you want to do? I use webmin with virtualmin and usermin to provide email accounts to those on my network not connected to the net, I use CRON jobs for updates during non-peak hours. I have a local repository to update peoples software without going to the net and I do all this from my desk. I suppose I could even do it from my android phone if I had a mind to. Migrating from outlook to thunderbird is hard? Clicking "import from outlook" is not all that tough. Yes, windows does some things better than linux but not very many and linux does some things better than windows and linux isn't telling programmers it get's a 30% cut.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

I too prefer authors who engage with their audience. Isn't that supposed to be one of the great advantages of the web?

mark.cooper
mark.cooper

I recently had a potential client ask me what kind/cost server they should get to organize their lab process. They are a water quality testing lab. My response was, what software fills their need. Hunh? What a unique idea. Last I heard, they're off to check out a similar lab to see what THEY are doing. I bet, unless it's strictly a file server, the more advanced lab is NOT using Linux. Jack Wallen is a joke. He throws out crap to see what sticks. I've never seen a response from him to any comments to any of his blogs. I have to wonder if he gets paid for his crap. If so, I'd like to apply. I, too, have a lot of crap that I need to spread. Getting paid for my crap would be a bonus. Otherwise, the local sewage treatment plant has to process my crap. Jack...get a life. You obviously do not have a real world job. Happy holidays! Mark

jeffrey_paesch
jeffrey_paesch

I do understand the headache when a system does not work anymore due migrating. Therefore most It are affraid of. But Ubuntu matches perfect in a Ms network, with or without domain, as client desktop. (I have not tested the other way around linux server ms client.) Have a machine running in your business (company) with Ubuntu and let people test it with no previous notice. You will be amazed. I know and a grew up with the pitfalls of Linux, but in someway Ubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 has improve a lot in user friendly OS. Please be sure that I'm not a linux fanboy. I run and automate both OS, Ms office and libre office, Outlook and Thunderbird, Ie and Firefox, and so on.

e-surfer
e-surfer

Linux zealots spend waaaay too much time on Linux... "Don't need to, they all use the linux kernel, the rest is the UI. So you have to create one installer, let's say RPM and the rest, DEB for example take about 30 seconds to convert. Not a huge investment in time. " Well, pal, it's not as easy as you think it is... It might be easy to convert a 5kB utility rpm to deb... but I don't think it will work that nice with a 4GB game.... I even think that it won't work at all. If so far, nobody's done it, it's beacause it's too much of a hassle to do : - different packaging - opengl dev is hard (not for you I know, but for real world programmer, directX way easier, and more productive) - sound is a mess in Linux - dependency hell accross distros : to install your game, you'll have to take in account, which version of which lib is used for that particular distro - slightly different kernels (compile options+modules) which can cause great problems Lusers been shouting victory recently as Steam decided to move from Windows 8... not because Linux is better, dear lol ! It's all because of the Windows store, that steam will eventually have to pay, and become a MS underdog like all those apple and android dev... that's all ! Also, you're talking about encrypting files and folders... Have you been further than the start menu ? Or have you ever used Windows xp PRO, PRO is important, because in PRO, you have EFS. In fact, efs been out since Win2k... FOSS aren't compatible with business for one reason, which is written in the FOSS disclaimer : "NO WARRANTY, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK" cron is an archaic tool, though it works well, you need to modernize a little more, get a ui... stop working with .conf text files ffs... Everything now is about productivity. Clean, brightly organised UI, make things productive. Text files don't. Well about your 30% cut, Apple and Android all do the same, yet nobody's ever said a thing... But windows dev don't ridiculize or yell at people. If they were developping for Windows, Alan Cox, Con Kolivas, never would have leaved the boat. No the problem with Linux, is politics. Waaaay too much fragmentation, there will always be a n+1 implementation cause A's not happy with B's code cause it's not commented, yadda, yadda... You got the picture. edit@capeterson : you can actually set up something looking like an active directory with samba, acl, etc... but get lots of aspirin and a couple of whiskey bottle in preparation of the all-nighter you're gonna have configuring text files while cursing Linus Torvalds.

capeterson67
capeterson67

There is no real substitute in Linux. I can add a fresh out of the box PC to the domain and without touching it again it will be ready for any end-user to begin using in about 30 minutes. Their local account will already be set up and ready to go complete with all windows updates and all company software installed. If they had a PC previously, all their "local" drives, files, and email will be there as soon as they log in. In fact, any user can log into that PC and get access to their email. They can use all their regular software as well so long as they are a member of that dept. I don't have to do anything to that PC other than hook it up and join the domain. I can even move that PC to another dept. and the software and printers available to it will change accordingly without my having to touch 1 setting or manually install one piece of software or driver. To my knowledge there is nothing in the Linux world that will do all that.

mark.cooper
mark.cooper

I truly do have several Linux boxes that I manage. I do not try to convince the general public that Linux is good for general use. On the other hand, I think Windows Phone 8 is the next best thing since sliced bread

Deadly Ernest
Deadly Ernest

a go at Jack. BTW I know lots of places that use Windows servers knowing full well they aren't the best option for their job, but because they have no choice now due to their previous Senior Admin being a Windows only person and got them so buried in the system they can't be removed, and they now have to have auxiliary Unix servers to protect them from attack.

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