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Image Gallery: Blueseed on-the-sea startup incubator

This image gallery shows some schematics of Blueseed, a visa-free startup incubator located 12 miles off the coast of California.

I recently wrote a blog about Blueseed, a visa-free startup incubator, located 12 miles off the coast of California.

The folks at Blueseed allowed me to post some pictures of the Blueseed schematics. Take a look at the gallery here.

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Toni Bowers is Managing Editor of TechRepublic and is the award-winning blogger of the Career Management blog. She has edited newsletters, books, and web sites pertaining to software, IT career, and IT management issues.

35 comments
jk2001
jk2001

Why don't they just buy an old cruise ship and run a sweatshop on it, just to see how viable this operation is?

TechRepublic
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It is about as interesting of a concept as Alf watching the toilet flush. I doubt Mitt would be interested either.

ScottK7
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How does TechRepublic allow you to put this crap on their site? You write this all in the present tense, as if it all exists - it doesn't, it's a pipe-dream (or a scam, since they're begging for donations on their site). It's not "located" anywhere, and it doesn't "have" any rooms. And, as mentioned, these are not schematics, but artists renderings, mostly of completely unfeasible vessels. I'd hate to be in one of those globes when they come unmoored from the deck during a heavy storm and go rolling into the sea. Of course, TechRepublic is really nothing more than a click-factory, so I guess they don't care how crappy your writing is, so long as you put up enough pictures to generate a couple dozen page views per visit, they'll take whatever butchery of the accuracy and the english language you dish out.

dandvd
dandvd

What deck? The ship will be moored 12 miles out. And yes, they're artist renderings for a project that plans to launch the ship next year. Teri should perhaps use more precise language.

ScottK7
ScottK7

...as in, the deck of the ship. :)

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

Moored means "The property of a ship, such, that it is secured to something, be it a dock or the ocean floor or other such fixed point". So, the structures can't become unmoored from the deck, since the structures aren't ships. The lifeboats can get unmoored from the deck if they are attached to the deck to begin with.

jasondlnd
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Anyone else disgusted with the notion of an "American" company (and I say that with quotes) creating jobs for undocumented, non-taxpaying, non-citizens of the US, just 12 miles off the coast of the USA? This is the type of thing that CONTRIBUTES to the unemployment of AMERICAN workers in the US! Startups need to be encouraged to open their doors onshore, hiring AMERICAN workers, not some undocumented person aboard some slave ship! Personally, I am disgusted by this entire notion and hope it does not get off the ground.

terry.floyd
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Where did you get the ridiculous idea that they won't pay taxes? Did you read the information on their website? If "American" companies choose to base their operations on BlueSeed, they will pay taxes the same way any other company does. There is no tax dodge involved here; it is simply an end-run around the United States' dysfunctional immigration policies. The country's politicians are actually throwing away tax revenue by refusing to allow hard-working skilled immigrants to work legally in the U.S. If immigration policies were logical and fair, there would be no need for BlueSeed to exist (nor any need for the Supreme Court to rule on state immigration laws, e.g., Arizona, Alabama, etc.).

mr_bandit
mr_bandit

@terry: they will pay taxes the same way any other company does Apple paid 2% of their corporate taxes in California; they were supposed to pay 10%. Good tax lawyers cycled the tax payments to cheaper places. Not that Apple paying 10% would have solved all of California's budget woes, but it would have significantly helped. And this does not include the other international companies primarily based in a specific state. So ye - this is a tax dodge. It also means they get folks for much cheaper than the US engineers that need the work. Of course, the USA has claimed a 200 mile limit when it suits the government.

AnsuGisalas
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The people who will be on that ship won't be there to work for startups. If they were working for startups, they could get H1b Visas no problem! The people that ship caters to will be CREATING STARTUPS. They will be creating startups in the US sphere of interest, rather than in the country they come from. If anybody should be disgusted, it would be the countries these startups would otherwise be founded in. Sheesh.

terry.floyd
terry.floyd

What does your comment have to do with BlueSeed? Apple is based in the U.S. (Cupertino, CA) and is no longer a tiny start-up company. Sure, they have smart accountants and attorneys who have figured out ways to minimize their tax burden, but that doesn't mean the BlueSeed startups will have these kind of resources or will do the same thing. You are somewhat confused about the 200 mile economic enterprise zone. This simply allows the United States Government to regulate the utilization of natural resources (offshore oil drilling, fishing, etc.) within that zone. These are still international waters, but the U.S. has juridiction over some of the commercial activity conducted within that area. Since BlueSeed will not be drilling for oil or doing any commercial fishing, they are not impacted by the EEZ regulations at all.

greg_nw
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Toni, Your headline is based on false pretense. I had read about this concept previously. The headline caught my eye and I wasted my time both reading more in depth and posting this. "a visa-free startup incubator located 12 miles off the coast of California." It "isn't located 12 miles off the coast", because it doesn't yet exist! Please go back to school and take some remedial english. Or, just stop posting (false) catchy headlines to waste peoples time!

AnsuGisalas
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So, you have an ontological nitpick (something is claimed to be where it is not), and you then proceed to claim that this "oversight" requires remedial English?!? Do you not see a problem with this? Also: A - The headline is not always written by the same person who writes the blog. B - Everybody else understands that one can speak about imaginary places using normal speech. I roll my eyes at you. I roll my eyes at you very very much. Ow, now my eyes hurt.

ScottK7
ScottK7

... and neither an oversight, nor an issue of someone else writing the headline (actually, the headline isn't even relevant). Toni herself, both in her introduction the image gallery, and in the linked blog post, writes things like: "...a visa-free startup incubator, located 12 miles off the coast of California." "The boat, named Blueseed, is located 12 miles off the coast of California. It has room for 1,000 or so entrepreneurs..." "Rent is about $1,600 monthly rent per person..." She's either lying (which I don't think she is), is misinformed (which I don't think she is), or committing grammatical errors by using the present tense in these statements. I generally try not to be too overly critical of the occasional spelling or grammatical mistake, especially when you can tell that it's the result of editing or reorganizing the content of an article or post. But this is just lazy writing, and creates factual errors that damage her credibility as a writer.

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

Not even when it's been established that it's not willful deception. Grammar only looks to the coherence of the grammar of the utterance. It doesn't look even to meaning.

holymonkeyseyebrow7
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These are not schematics, they are artist renderings. Big technical difference.

jlgordon
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This is the kind of thing that happens when government puts too many hurdles in front of business. I think it is a clever idea actually. If you like living on a boat... great! If you don't, then don't live there.

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

I mean, ok, that's probably realistic rent for an ship cabin, but it's not cheap. I don't suppose meals are included either, nor that on-board food is cheap.

maj37
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Many of the pictures actually look like models rather than real pictures. Also I agree with several others more of a tax dodge than anything else, ethics in business today is all about what can I get away with.

jartman
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A tax dodging libertarian businessman's wet dream. Don't call on my tax supported Coast Guard if it starts to sink or the Chinese come to tow it away.

John.P.Dearing
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It's long been in business not what's right or wrong or even what's legal or (heaven forbid) ethical. It's all about "what can I get away with?" and "if I get caught, are the penalties low enough to make it worthwhile". Unfortunately, that's "modern" business today - totally devoid of ethics or possessing a moral compass.

MAM@ONCFARI.COM
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Where's the innovation in this?? Seems like pretty much a tax dodge. Is this the new meaning of innovation??

dandvd
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..."Why can't I see the innovation in this when everyone in the know does see it".

mharris672
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Initially, the word 'incubator' doesn't sound very good. I.E. - Let's go incubate some chickens or let's go incubate some humans. This may be new and innovative, but it may just be a way to avoid abiding by country or state laws, etc. Hopefully international laws would keep this type of thing in order. I wouldn't call it a prison, but it could be something similar to it. Maybe it would be brainwashing for those who are there? Is 'cult' the root of the word 'culture?' Will children be raised there? Or is it just a 'business incubator?' How long is the 'tour-of-duty' on something like this? Everything seems to be about money (bottom-line?). Compare auto companies building their construction plants in Mexico and/or Canada (all about paying the employees less). Will this incubator-thing succeed? Will they survive storms at sea? Will they stay close to shore? Who knows.

neil.postlethwaite
neil.postlethwaite

Human Evolvement of the Chicken Battery Egg Farm. It's Blue or Red Pill time (The Matrix)

richard.artes
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What's the difference between this ship and a floating prison?!? Apart from it looks nicer to live on?!?

terry.floyd
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Richard, the difference between BlueSeed and a floating prison is choice. Residents of BlueSeed will live there voluntarily and can leave at any time. Also, they will produce products and services to generate profits for their shareholders and make money for themselves. Prisoners are not well-paid, do not perform skilled work and are stuck in their cells for the duration of their sentences. The biggest difference is that prisoners are a net drain on society while BlueSeed will generate jobs and capital.

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

...combined with a 168 hour work week.

neil.postlethwaite
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Why not Alcatraz or Guantanamo Bay, save the costs of building the Blueseed. Sure G'tmo has some sort of quasi-jusrsitction, where anything goes law wise, or not as the case may be. Difference, prision - Not much, except you'll probably get early release if your face doesn't fit - walking the plank. They'll need a second ship full of Dabbawala's with boats to feed the vast Indian )(Asian, not Red) who will be holed up on it as cheap, non-unionised, non-taxpaying, International Jurisdiction IT staff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala