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Do Geeks need caffeine because they are geeks, or are they geeks because they use caffeine?


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Most geeks I know are caffeine-aholics.  They are addicted to their caffeine, though there are many sources for their individual addictions.  My husband is a Mt. Dew addict.  He even drinks it before bed.  I know many who are coffee drinkers, Coke or Pepsi guzzlers and a few who prefer Jolt or Red Bull.

We have all heard the spoof (done by the Dead Ale Wives) of the D&D group where one of the players is in the kitchen searching for Mt. Dew and Cheetos.  I have never attended a D&D game that didn't have a huge bounty of sugar and caffeine-laden refreshments.  Nor have I attended a tech conference where the same wasn't provided in nauseating abundance. In my husband's office, one of his co-workers sets up his own personal coffee pot before leaving each night, and only works when he has coffee.  Should he run out of coffee supplies (i.e. grounds, filters, creamer, sweetener), he goes home.  They often make determinations about whether he will come in the following day by checking the pot after he has left.  If it is not setup, they figure he has taken the day off.

As a diabetic, I am forbidden from sugar.  Another medical issue prevents my use of caffeine and carbonation.  Therefore, while I talk a lot about my "hot cup of life", it is really just decaf with Splenda and cream.  Before I was diagnosed, however, I was a Mt. Dew and Cheetos person.  Oh, and high-test coffee.  I never got a chance to try Red Bull, it didn't come out before I was diagnosed. 

I have often wondered whether this gravitation toward caffeine, and often high sugar, is inborn to geeks or whether it is a function of geekhood.  Are we geeks the way we are because of the effects of sugar and caffeine or do geeks have an innate need for sugar and caffeine to fuel their brains which perhaps function in a different way from non-geeks? I also wonder whether there is a higher incidence of diabetes among the geek population.  Again, is it a genetic pre-disposition?  Or an end product from the habits of the geekly lifestyle? 

While this forum certainly can't provide us with scientifically reproduceable data, I wonder whether a brief poll would give us insight to that question. 

 

63 comments
JFPSF
JFPSF

Some unknown TR developer released a broken version of the page.

realvannewkirk
realvannewkirk

I'm a Dish Network Tech, geek on the side, but Vault is where it's at. I like my mega cup of joe in the morning, but when i'm up on your roof or crawling through your attic to give you pointless tv, it's all about the Vault. More caffiene than Mt. Dew and more sugar. I was a long time Dew boy till vault changed me. 4 a.m. is no biggie:)

jerrolee121
jerrolee121

refresh is not the solution...the page has errors. I am never seen with out my Starbuck's Thermos full of black Americano

ElGeeko
ElGeeko

I was a coffeehound long before I came out of the cable closet as a geek, so that suggests a genetic link between geekdome and caffeinophilia. Diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes a couple of years ago, I had to give up nearly all my dietary vices. Coffee is the only one I have left and they only way they're getting my mug away from me is to pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Seriously, Type 2 diabetes is reaching epidemic levels in the US, due in large part to our diet - and we geeks are among the most dedicated to that cuisine. (That, and we sit for hours working only our keyboarding muscles.) Ergo - as a group, we're at risk big time. PLUG FOLLOWS If you're at risk, check out "Stop Diabetes" by Gretchen Becker. If you've recently been diagnosed, she also wrote "Type 2 Diabetes - The first year." (I have no association with Becker or her publisher beyond that of a grateful reader.) (I'm betting that the proportion of this group who know what beta cells are exceeds that of the general population by several points.)

Maevinn
Maevinn

I kicked the caffiene habit when I started counting calories. Before that, I drank Mt Dew, and coffee from home--cold brew. The hot brew stuff is too bitter. But I used to work with biologists, and they drank way more caffiene than any of the IT geeks I know.

Jaqui
Jaqui

I know lots of non geeks that are almost as bad in their coffee habits as I am. :p I did get it controlled now, I only drink 7 pots of coffee a day. [ no sugar, only cream, Dairyland's Coffee Creamer @ 18% MF only thanks ] My habit was 14 pots [ 10 cup pots ] of coffee a day.

Tig2
Tig2

But why??? Didn't register a vote for me either. Darn! I actually know geeks that don't do the caffeine thing at all. I don't understand them, but I know they are out there. I've been caffeinated all my life and have no desire to change. UMMMMM, Coffee!

Bill Ward
Bill Ward

Hey, we have evidence of vote fraud! I voted for Dew and it still says "0" for Mt. Dew, and Coffee was the choice. I think this is a conspiracy from the Coffee Party.

Khandoug
Khandoug

Okay. Not /water/, Exactly. I used t obe on 2 litres of Pepsi a day. The occasional coffee, the occasional expresso... an' to prove a point, I went cold turkey about 2 months ago and have had only a few drops since. now, i should note that on the 2-litre habit? that was a decade old habit. an' Pepsi was a firm favourite. or, specifically: If cold, Pepsi. If room-temp, Coke. An' I've noticed that it has a hell of a bigger kick, now I've not been on a continual buzz...

TechExec2
TechExec2

You must be on [i]JUAN VALDEZ'[/i] Christmas card list!! :^0 :^0 :^0

TechExec2
TechExec2

That [i]FINALLY[/i] explains why you don't like Java!! :^0 :^0 :^0

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

Interesting. Everyone always told me I had too much with my 24 oz before noon. I used to drink 44 oz in an hour, but then I was too amped to drink anymore for several more hours. You really are the caffeine master.

jmgarvin
jmgarvin

You're down to 7 pots!!?? How do you manage to even function? Man, between school, work, the wife, life, and various crap (like the flat on my wife's car), I need a TON of coffee to stay running. I've really gotten into Diet Mt Dew and coffee (none of that Starbucks stuff....there's a great place in ABQ called Satellite Cafe). How else do you work 18 hour days? :-)

jsimoneau
jsimoneau

Life, yes, but not as we know it. I like mine black: no creamer (if I want a milkshake, I'll ask for it!), and no sweetener. Anything else doesn't taste like COFFEE!!!! (And none of that flavored yuppie bilgewater, either!) Dark, dark, DARK Roast! Espresso! Columbian! Kona (when I can get it!)! A fresh pot just finished -- gotta go!

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

It doesnt matter if its cold, espresso, chocolated, or whatever, if it has Caffeine in high doses, and sugar, Ummmmmm (my opinion). Now If I can only enhance my caffeinated self with a straight infusion into the blood stream.... P.S. -- when I am not caffeinated, I often barely function, no matter what time of day it is. Side note, I sometimes get up in the middle of the night to drink a caffeinated beverage IN ORDER to go back to sleep.

JHattrick
JHattrick

i used to drink copious amounts of caffiene but now trying for the third or fourth time to quit. anyways i must have drunk coffee/coke for 20-30 years. seriously i used to smoke a bit and quitting that was easy compared to caffeine!! "caffeine blues" changed my whole outlook.. its a great book - check it out. written by Stephen Cherniske, he explores all the myths etc about the coffee industry. but still eating chocolate which contains trace amounts caffiene ;)

dawgit
dawgit

I'm starting to feel "Normal". Personally I prefer "Jackobs" Good old coffee. That soft drink stuff seems to a generational thing. For the young pups. I had always thought it a trait I aquired from the Mil. I guess I was just born that way. It's nice to see I'm not alone; at least in the coffee dept. They even kept me supplied with plenty of free coffee in the Hosp. Last year. (They got plenty upset when they saw my LapTop though.)

DanLM
DanLM

By the way, COFFEE. Must have coffee. Personally, I think the cafine fix is to help the geek mind to fire on all pistons. Otherwise, the indefinate loop of goto ? keeps repeating itself over and over till the Geek becomes blurry eyes and burns out. Dan

rebeccaaward
rebeccaaward

The author (me) takes no responsibility for the accuracy (or lack thereof) of the software used in this article. All I did was set up the poll. I will see if I can repair your vote, however.

Bill Ward
Bill Ward

I go Cold Turkey for about two months, every year. Specifically, it's 49-51 days a year, starting normally in February and ending in late March through mid April sometime. I have some issues with it. I become EXTEREMLY irritable during the first two week. I sleep poorly, and sometimes, not at all. I'm exhausted most of the time, don't think crisply, and tend to be withdrawn. I get back to close to "Normal" after a few weeks, though I tend to be more lethargic than the rest of the year, and I'm a little slower in "connecting the dots" on thinking problems. At the end, I have to wean myself BACK on Caffiene or I can't sleep properly for about a week. But my energy comes back up, my thinking becomes sharper and faster, and I become... well, buzzed compared to how I was before (socially), in that I can tolerate more easily the fools...er... fine fellows who interact with my family and I. Yes, I'm addicted to Caffeine. I have an addictive personality that way (I would be an raging alcoholic if I hadn't had the booze scared out of my by my Grandfather as a very young child; the few times I've ever "just gone with the flow" when it comes to alcohol were enough to prove I'm one from the craving alone). I'll live (and die) a Caffiene addict, barring my wife ever convincing me to somehow just stay off Caffiene after one of my yearly withdrawls... I'm just hoping it never gets added to the list of controlled substances.

Jaqui
Jaqui

they have an altar where the entire region worships me. ]:) 6 times a day. after all, I do keep them employed ;)

bewolfe
bewolfe

I went from 6 - 7 pots(12cup) a day to 3 - 4 pots. I just doubled the amount of coffee I use to make it I don't use sugar any morre, the spoon keeps dissolving. It gives the coffe a heavy metal taste.

Jaqui
Jaqui

cut it down any further I'll get to much blood in my caffeine system.

Jaqui
Jaqui

I slack off at 7 pots. ]:)

Tig2
Tig2

I will happily drink coffee all day... and often do. I discovered that coffee in my system enhances my focus and will often allow me to sleep when the brain cells are way too active in the Habitrail of my mind. This actually makes perfect sense when you take into account that I have ADHD that has been effectively treated with amphetamines. And while I don't take a sweetener, the odd mocha is a reason for living. I used to be a nurse. Ask me about coffee IVs! (kidding, of course!) You be careful with that sugar!

Jaqui
Jaqui

ya silly git. the darker the roast on the bean, the less caffeine is in it. caffeine is destroyed by the heat. the flavour is increased by the darkness of the roast. [ to a point, dark roast tastes burnt and is way to oily for human consumption ] cold coffee? you are one sick puppy. [ never mind the fact that the oils congeal into a carcinogenous, undigestible mass ] cold coffee just tastes wrong. but I have to have a coffee before I go to bed, or I'm not sleeping at all. editing to add: I have been known to absorb coffee spilt onto a table, by osmosis through my hand. ]:) not even a mark of coffee left on either the table or my hand. in less than a minute.

rebeccaaward
rebeccaaward

I know others who have the same experience. While I never drank caffeine in order to sleep, caffiene never prevented my sleep either. I don't know whether that would hold true now, with my current situation (not having any caffeine to speak of in over a year other than sugar-free chocolate.)

ganesh
ganesh

Of all the caffiene related stuff, coffee stands out for me. And not any coffee it has to be from my favorite "Peets coffee". I somehow do not fancy starbucks and Dunkin donutes( popular in the NorthEast side of USA).

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

I miss the Tchibo...and the bread. Two kaenchen a day of Tchibo and a loaf of weizenbrod every other day kept me happy for five years. Beat the tar out of the best we could get at the commissary. I'd love to get back to Germany, but all the jobs for Autobahn-addicted underpaid underemployed, network/PC/point-of-sale/electronic scale technicians are already taken. Besides, I've already been assured that a Roof Porsche as the company car is just not possible (darn it!).

andy.wright25
andy.wright25

I cannot have caffine coffee, but I cannot survive without my strong black filtered coffee. No coffee, no work. MacAndy

jeffmchugh
jeffmchugh

I read an article recently that said coffee wards off the damage that alcohol does to your liver. I KNEW eventually two of my vices would counteract each other. What a world!!!

mwill
mwill

My vote just spun.. I'm an A & W rootbeer fan, great taste, no caffeine.

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

It just spun so I tried again, and again it just spun. So I finally decided to try to view results, and again it just spun. Mt. Dew preferred, Coffee a close second in my book. with Mt. Dew, I prefer to switch between the original and Code Red (which came out right before the Code Red Virus, coincidence???). But since I do have diabetes, I need to watch my Mt. Dew intake, so coffee with Splenda is usually what I drink. But I would love to go back to the days of a Monster energy drink daily, and a 36 pack of Mt. Dew/week.

onbliss
onbliss

I am not able to vote. So how do I vote? Both IE and Fx jus show a graphic with the text "loading".. other wise I tried clicking to no avail. I think the Anti-Coffee Party is preventing me from voting? Or is the Voting already closed?

DanLM
DanLM

What type of coffee does people drink? Personally, I can't stand Starbucks. I like the good stuff, Folgers. That, or Mickey D's coffee does just fine for me. Hmm, Dunkin Donut coffee is pretty good to. And sugar, what you all don't like the taste of coffee or something. Whats wrong with drinking it black and enjoying the true flavor of it? The only time I have ever drank coffee with cream or sugar was when it was served to me by mistake. I just didn't have the heart to throw good coffee away, even if it was diluted. Dan

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

And I hope you caught the play on words as a play on words, not an offensive advance from an anonymous web perv. ]:)

Tig2
Tig2

My MD would LOVE to see me give it up and I likely will- probably not cold turkey though. An instructor in nursing school told me that she successfully decaffeinated by mixing. I'll likely try that- my partner likes a cup of the real stuff in the morning but then switches to decaf. I do prefer a cup of tea- especially as we are sliding into winter. An oddity though, I prefer herbal teas. Never was a soda fan and don't do chocolate much either. So that hasn't been a problem. Since training begins in a couple of months, I may try giving up the coffee- at least the caffeinated kind.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

I used to need another line of coke to feel normal again. I woul dwake up and do a few lines, then lay there quite contently waiting for work to begin again. That hardly means that it was something I needed. I'm 100% healthier since I quit coke, then cigarrettes, then caffeine. Caffeine was almost worse that the former two.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

And you be careful with that coffee, sweetie! Coffee does not enhance brain activity, just like cigarettes don't calm you down, but feel as if they do. The only advantage of coffee is that is will effectively help a non-migrane headache (beig equal to about 648 mg of acetaminophe), other than that there is no physical benefit. As for sleep, Caffeine is said to interfere with REM activity (dream state) and you don't sleep as well nor feel as well rested when you wake, compared to having no caffeine in your system. I know stopping for a day will make yu feel awful, you won't sleep you wont have an appetite, you wont feel awake etc. But given a few weeks of NO caffeine, Coke, chocolate etc. You will feel a lot better, having given that up, when you start in on caffeine again, it's like going back to smoking after quitting for a year, you feel like crap the next day. This tells me first hand that caffeine did me no good, even though I believed I needed it to live and breathe. But I didn't and now I don't. I still have teh odd cup of tea, I'm a Brit after all, but I leave it to that and don't overdo the coffee thing anymore. Anyhow you be careful with that caffeine!

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

I used to have to get up and have a Mt. Dew in the middle of the night too. Also, I found that if I missed a night, I was very irritable the next day. But my withdrawls syndrome went away a few weeks after I cut back on the Mt. Dew (after Diabetes diag.).

Bill Ward
Bill Ward

One of my dirty little secrets is that I'll wake up in the middle of the night, needing a High Test Mt. Dew (all sugar) in order to get BACK to sleep. So I walk over to the upstairs fridge, break open and down a Dew (less than thirty seconds) and get back in bed. Two minutes later, I'm asleep. If I DON'T drink some caffeine, it could be hours before I sleep. And don't even ask about how I make it from Mid-February to Early-April (my annual "Give up all Sodas" Lenten sacrifice; yes, I go to church). Of course, the withdrawls give me the shakes, so I guess I'm an addict.

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

Had a friend who used to shove 2 fully dressed (cream/sugar) 12-cup pots into his CamelBack. Need a shot of caffeine? Right there at your collar... :D I don't know if he had a custom liner for it, but I don't think so; he used to buy a new liner every other month. Edit: BTW, spins in place for me too! Coffee all the way, with the occasional Pepsi in the late afternoon or evening. Second edit: danged homonyms

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

Please hook me up! I want a portable pack, like maybe, backpack sized. It cannot look too goofy though.

I.T.Services
I.T.Services

down in Blain / Bellingham we have been complaining about the way Canadian water has been handled for years, (not to sound high-and-mighty, but for info only) with the dumping raw sewage into the sound, it seemed to be only a matter of time before something went wrong. To be fair Lummi Nation has been warning people in both Whatcom county and B.C. about how water has been being handled. I?m ADHD and I NEED my coffee (my current Med?s are amphetamines, twice a day) and I enjoy a dark roast.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Espresso and mocha coffee isn't a placebo, designed as a marketing scam. The government isn't implanting our brains so they can take over the world. Coffee contains many drugs, even when dark roasted into an espresso bean, one drug is actually shown to have the same effect as nearly 500mg of acetominophen(sp?) and is used to thwart headaches. That's the one benefit, but a slim one at that.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

As for the stats I posted, they were from an independant caffeine research and medical myths/facts page. It echos what the doc told me when I was going through my coffee detox stages. I have also had a close friend who had his own Gourmet Coffee shop when I lived in Port Hardy, so I've tasted the best of them(and become quite buzzes on heavy tamp quad-shots) . Water: I live in Sapperton, just up from the old Labatts plant on the Burnaby/New West border. So we are fed from the Coquitlam watershed, of the three main sheds (Seymour/Capilano, Delta and Coquitlam,) the Coquitlam shed had the lowest count, it usually does, so it was lifted right away. Didn't even notice the crappy water actually. At the office I have jugs for the water cooler, so I brought on hoem just in case, but haven't nedd it. Funny how paranoid some people get over water though. Most who were fighting for bottle in Safeway didn't look like they actually drank a glass of water in decades. All because of a slim possibility you'll get the s**ts? I can agree with those who were looking at brown caca in a glass (as you must have had down your way) but for most others it's just media paranoia for the uneducated, with no real issue present.

Jaqui
Jaqui

star**cks false advertising. I won't even walk into one of their locations, nor the "Seattles Best" [ Star*ucks bought them out, they also burn their beans and overheat the water, even before bought out ] I can't drink anything roasted more than medium, and actually prefer light roast. BTW, the Seattle based coffee ( sic ) company does not sell a roast of coffee, they sell blends of roasts, so you cannot get a medium roast, only a medium blend. Every coffee they have puts me into severe pain, because of the dark roasted beans in it. Since I can't drink dark roast, I have never tried the espresso or coffee from the specialty shops, they tend to use the european style of coffee making which is very similar to what starfucks sells. [ dark roasted garbage ] editing to add: how long do you think we'll have the boil water advisory? danged water system got polluted from a little rain on the 15th, still have the advisory to boil all water before drinking it. we live in a rain forest climate, why the #@%^ didn't they build the water system to handle rain? danged useless braindead government staffers.. execute them all!!!

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Unless the coffee is burned there is still caffeine. Due to a reaction to caffeine that I had a couple of years ago (the doctor said I actually overdosed on caffeine), I had to quit caffeine altogether, actually I still slip in the odd can of Coke or a cup of coffee once in a blue moon (it is nice and soothing at first but then I feel like shite an hour later, compared to how I feel without it). Funny thing is, I used to live on it, IV drip was not enough for me. I had a $3000 LaCymballi espresso machine, the kind Starbucks wishes they had. But since I quit, I found I had MORE energy than coffee ever gave me, I feel WAAAAY better because I now drink fruit juices etc. and have that drug out of my system. I think quitting coke (not the Cola) was probably easier though. Caffeine dependency is pretty strong when you drink it day in day out. When I quit, I was getting headaches, upset stmache, dizzy spells etc. For a week but then I felt better and better over time. As for caffeine, a 1oz shot of Starbucks espresso has 35mg of caffeine. A 16oz Starbucks medium roast has 550mg of caffeine. Therefore the same 16oz of espresso would have 560 miligrams of caffeine. So actually, espresso has MORE caffeine than their filtered coffee. To be quite honest though, despite the Starbucks marketing that has so many newbs thinking they are coffee connessiurs, Starbucks coffee actually sucks the big one. It is roasted too long, they overheat the water, most of their so called 'barristas' have no idea how to properly tamp or blend a mocha or cappuccino. With your being Canadian, especially living around the corner from Delany's and Ciao (is Ciao still there?), you must have been exposed to REAL espresso and coffee by now. Starbucks is like Microsoft, the people who know no better love it, those that are aware of what software(coffee) is supposed to be like, can't stand it.

Jaqui
Jaqui

espresso ramp you up? same reason people get drunk drinking straight orange juice after they have ordered a screwdriver. you [i]think[/i] espresso will ramp you up, so it does. only coffee is an acceptable source of caffeine for me. :D I get withdrawals if I try non coffee beverages.

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

but I didnt say cold coffee, I said cold caffeine. Hence, Mt. Dew, Pepsi, etc. If espresso has no caffeine content, how come 2 double espresso's amp me like I had 3 mt. dews? Absorbing coffee, I like that. Teach me how master! Please!

onbliss
onbliss

I don't need caffeine to sleep. I meant inspite of caffeine I can get sleep. There is a difference :-)

Dr_Zinj
Dr_Zinj

Sedentary lifestyle + High caloric intake + High sugar intake + High caffine intake = diabetes and heart disease. Overweight, high blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, plaques (both in blood vessels and on the brain), insulin and insulin processing imbalances, back problems, eye problems, the list goes on and on. If anyone in the United States needed the 90 minutes a day of vigorous exercise recommended by the FDA, it's your typical geek.

rebeccaaward
rebeccaaward

Okay, I am not a doctor (nor do I play one on TV), but my main job right now is in the Mental Health field. It is a well-documented fact that some types of brains (in this case, those with ADD or ADHD) actually need speed/uppers/stimulants to help them focus. I guess the easiest way to explain it is to suggest that it is similar to the bus speed in a computer. If the bus speed is insufficient compared to the speed of the information being sent to it, the computer is less efficient. Same idea applies to the human brain. People with that condition can "increase" their bus speed by taking...uhm, speed. It may be that people who find they sleep better with caffeine do so because it gives their bus a chance to clear through the information that was waiting to pass, thereby reducing "racing thoughts" that might prevent sleep. I realize this is going kind of off track for Tech Republic. Sorry Jay.

onbliss
onbliss

Researchers, Scientists and common people claim coffee/tea suppresses sleep. Let me tell you it is the anti-coffee party spreading those rumors :-) I can just drink Tea/Coffee and go to sleep like a baby :-) Some of my friends look like I am crazy, let me tell you they are the ones that are crazy :-)

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

Bought one while I was there the last time and broke it in on the autobahn. Loved that car. 25 mpg at 100 mph. I love the VW break-in instructions: Don't put the gas pedal all the way down and don't go any faster than 3/4 of the maximum 160 mph speed.

dawgit
dawgit

Check the Red Hat site. (under jobs- Germany, I just saw one there in while ago. B-) ) But you're right, not too many Porsches for company cars. (they can't make enough of them for that.) My last one was a Ford Focus, (the German built model) it was a point and shoot autobahn rocket.

Bill Ward
Bill Ward

The ORIGINAL Code Red virus was named that because of the huge hype over Mt. Dew Code Red and the fact that the virus had started in RED China. The second or third iteration of the virus sucked in the name and actually used it, but the virus by then had entered the books as Code Red. Code Red, BTW, was what caused my ISP to finally turn on port blocking; before that, we could technically have normal servers up on our connection (though it was not allowed by the TOS, it was a "Wink-Wink" restriction).

rebeccaaward
rebeccaaward

Yes, the unfortunate Code Red incident did occur nearly at the same time as the emergence of Code Red Mt. Dew. I think it truly had a negative effect on the marketing.

rebeccaaward
rebeccaaward

I didn't close the poll, but I am not sure why the poll isn't working for you. I tried to get your post to show on my screen and it took clicking twice to get it to load. There may just be a slowness in the Force, I mean the Internet.

onbliss
onbliss

First choice: Caribou Skim Latte please :-) I think Caribou is better than Starbucks, and NO I don't have any kind of relationship with Caribou :-) Second choice: Would be a good strong cup of Tea (Milk+sugar) If I am going to be drinking black coffee then it has to be good and strong. And will never say no to Dark Chocolate with Black Coffee. I would throw away diluted coffee. I wouldn't throw diluted Tea. Happy Thanksgiving...

Tig2
Tig2

I too am a coffee purist. I am not above the odd latte or mocha but drink black coffee daily. Back when I first developed a taste for coffee, my father was on me about drinking cream and sugar or drinking coffee. I drink coffee. The best is only found in Northern Minnesota and you have to know it exists. Arco coffee is the best. Chock full of Nuts is probably my second favourite.

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