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This just in: Black holes don't exist!


According to this article on New Scientist, some astrophysicists have put forth a radical new theory that would explain the longstanding quantum mysteries of dark energy, dark matter, and gamma ray bursts, but would also prove that black holes don't exist! (It would also screw up one of my old Geek Trivia columns, but that's a small price to pay. Compared to this, even the discovery of liquid water on a Saturnian moon seems pedestrian.)

I'm not an astrophysicist, but as well as I can follow, the theory goes

something like this: When a star collapses into what we thought was a

black hole--violating all kinds of quantum mechanics in a way that can

only be justified with the technically unsatisfying "quantum

singularity" tag--the surface of the star actually takes on some rare

attributes of crystal superconductors. The star forms an outer shell

where all quantum motion slows down to a near-stop, looking for all the

world like a black hole with an event horizon that stops time. But

quantum motion isn't stopped, it's just moving so slowly we can't

perceive it. This solves the whole "black holes break time" problem in

quantum mechanics.

Inside the star shell is a matter vacuum filled instead with bizarre

energies. The physicists call this a "dark energy star." All the matter

that falls into the dark energy star passes through the shell and is

converted into something new--antigravity!

These stars now pump out the accelerating force that is making galaxies

move away from each other, precisely counter to what we'd expect if

gravity was merely slowing or reversing the outward force of the Big

Bang. This completely explains the Hubble Expansion.

It also is a more rational explanation for what happens to energy and

matter that drops into a black hole. Instead of the "disappears from

our universe" excuse that breaks the basic rule of "no matter is ever

created or destroyed, merely changed" rule, matter and energy are changed into antigravity.

Finally, based on the physicists' math, it's very likely that

super-small versions of these hypermassive dark energy stars were

formed shortly after the Big Bang, thus accounting for all the

undetected "dark matter" that must exist for all the observed

gravitational behavior of galaxies to be explained. The universe is

brimming with hidden stars, holding galaxies together while pushing the

universe apart--and solving all the bizarre problems that the

placeholder idea of a "black hole" could never address. I sure hope an

idea this cool turns out to be right!

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45 comments
boxfiddler
boxfiddler

U.S. Government is a black hole for money.

Who Am I Really
Who Am I Really

yes they do; there is one in Redmond designed to empty your wallet every couple of years or so converting your hard earned cash into a giant waste of time trying to re-learn how to configure your system to behave the way you want it to more so called features = more wasted time trying to setup & configure a new system. configuring = roasting most of the defaults to custom settings.

NotSoChiGuy
NotSoChiGuy

...that if they ever get the Large Hadron Collider up and running, we won't get sucked into a micro-Black Hole.

mjd420nova
mjd420nova

Theory and opinions are one and the same. This universe is so vast and we represent such an incredible tiny, tiny part, what we think, what we theorize is so infinatesmally small, what does it matter. It doesn't matter and neither do we, except to ourselves. Attempting to understand is human nature and will drive us to the end, whatever and whenever that will be. We try to apply ideas to things that we don't understand now and truly will never understand in the future. Unless we can visit and observe the many strange objects that make up our known universe, it is all just a theory and will remain so for eternity. We will never break the time and space barrier that binds us to this solar system. We must concentrate on understanding what we have right here and learn how to use what we are given.

The 'G-Man.'
The 'G-Man.'

Where have you all been, in a Black Hole?

JackOfAllTech
JackOfAllTech

who's to say they're not wrong about other things, like say for instance, the age of the Earth?

Tony Hopkinson
Tony Hopkinson

Of course black holes were a mathematical consequence of Albert's theories proved (mathematically) by Schwarzchild, so in some sense they've only ever existed on paper, and of course still do. So let me get this straight, after we couldn't find dark matter to prove a theory, we flipped to dark energy, but could n't find it, then to the Higgs boson, but couldn't find it, so now conveniently the expansion of the universe is explained by matter falling into black holes resulting in enough negative gravity 'spread evenly' across a 15 billion light year distance... Why am I not buying this? PS how do black holes "break time". In that respect they are simply the inverse of a photon? Also didn't Hawking and Bekenstein show that black holes radiated energy quantum mechanically? Illuminate me...

Put a quark in it
Put a quark in it

As a fan of physics, I am always interested in reading about new theories regarding things on the quantum or astronomical level. I found this article particularly interesting because it backs up (sort of) my belief that black holes don't exist (although, I had no empirical evidence on which to base this belief). Naturally, science must come up with SOMETHING to justify clearly observable behaviors when the cause for these observed behaviors isn't exactly known. I will be interested to read more when details become available.

Dr Dij
Dr Dij

they print the stuff by the billions out of thin air. Maybe this could explain the current expansion of the universe. We most certainly are in an inflationary time now, (hidden by govt re-hashing of statistics to exclude anything when price goes up so they don't have to pay increased social security or give raises linked to CPI to govt workers). And with the govt now printing billions by lending out non-existant money to banks and printing more money to buy T-bonds with. This is like a cosmic quasar spewing money, most of which ends up in a black hole (of govt contractors like Blackwater for example, possibly named that for this reason) The 'big rip' will eventually come to the cosmos and to the US economy. poor people and those on fixed incomes and social security will eventually become unable to support themselves. The universe may enter a period of chaos or collapse.

Slayer_
Slayer_

Have you nothing better to do?

seanferd
seanferd

It is running at higher energies than when it broke, as of about 2 weeks ago.

victor.gutzler
victor.gutzler

There are many things that we have observed that we do not understand, which makes me very impatient with folks who pick and choose what to believe and hide those inconvenient uncomfortable things too terrible to believe. Such are the historical accounts of the life, and death, and life again of Jesus. Facts: Born during the reign of Augustus Caesar, died and buried during the reign of Tiberius Caesar, witnessed by over 500 people to be alive afterwards, many of whom suffered excruciating death under Nero rather than deny what they saw. How do you explain Jesus healing the sick, making the blind see, resurrecting the dead, walking through walls and eating fish in a resurrected body, ascending into the clouds...? Yet these are not fables, but witnessed events written in the blood of those who observed them. Because of what Jesus showed us, we KNOW that our life is more than just this physical existence on earth, that we ARE somehow made in the image of the Eternal, that we WILL eventually know all things because we WILL be like Him. And yet because we hate the associated corollaries that we must have been made in His image, that we are subject to Him who made the heavens and the earth, we rather prefer to hide these inconvenient truths from ourselves and others, just so we can do our own things and be our own gods....

boxfiddler
boxfiddler

likely brought it to the forefront. You gotta admit, the title is interesting.

victor.gutzler
victor.gutzler

Jay Garmon's Geekend articles defy time and never get old!

seanferd
seanferd

Maybe in a newsletter? Haven't looked at mine. Actually, there are some very interesting ideas which would negate black holes as currently modeled. Meanwhile, they are getting around to imaging the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

4.6 billion or so is a working theory. Many people don't understand what the word theory means in a scientific context. It's an idea that attempts to explain observed phenomenon, but hasn't been proven as fact. It may eventually be proven as fact, supplanted by another theory, or disproved and discarded.

seanferd
seanferd

They go out for smoke, but they have to leave company property. Edit: And Dark Energy and Dark Matter are still current, and not used to model the same thing. Dark Energy ("dark" is like "unidentified") is used to model the expanding universe, and why expansion is apparently accelerating. Dark Matter is used to model the gravitational structure of galaxies, which seem to have a lot more gravity than accounted for by stars, gas, and dust (ordinary observable matter). And actually, to re-complicate the issue, some theorize that DM and DE are flip sides of the same coin. Just like gravity might become a repulsive force at certain extreme densities. The Higgs is supposed to be the "carrier" of mass. So it can be worked into any of the above.

mbrown
mbrown

Yes, it is called Hawking radiation and it means that a black hole will eventually evaporate when enough energy is leaked...eventually being a VERY long time for super massive black holes, the only kind we can see empirical evidence for at the center of galaxies. Not to mention that they have been observed to periodically ?feed? by devouring nearby matter and energy, so they must eventually stop feeding altogether in order to begin losing mass via Hawking radiation.

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

I think it's inside-out. The reason the universe is expanding (at an increasing rate) is that there is a larger (for intents and purposes, nearly infinite) amount of matter outside it that we'll never see (because it's speeding away faster than light), but it "sucked" our universe into existence and continues to pull it apart. Local gravity cancels this effect somewhat for the time being, but eventually, even subatomic particles will be pulled apart. Sometime later these subatomic particles that used to be our universe will become partnered with those of universes past, adding to the suction power of the infinitely far away outer sphere and suck a new universe into existence.

jck
jck

That article is...almost 4 years old? And actually, my father and I used to talk about there not being any "hole" in a black hole. Physics and elemetary science has always said that matter loses all energy of motion and heat at Absolute Zero. If particles are compacted so densely that no energy of motion state is attainable in its matter, the matter would: a) continue to hold no kinetic energy, so therefore would be dark b) it would release all its energy (which black holes are known to eject x-ray and gamma ray streams thanks to Chandra) c) it would have immense gravity still because the miniscule bonding energies held would be so exponential that it would continue to pull in matter, tear it apart, compact it to its own mass, and release its energy. It's no ta new theory by any means though. my father and I have been discussing things like this for over 30 years.

Who Am I Really
Who Am I Really

who can't see a joke / sarcasm when it appears in a post I will as you put it "attack" MS with such sarcasm as often as I feel like it If I had said it was in another city like maybe the current location of the Apple HQ or Google would you have attacked me for it?

.Martin.
.Martin.

are we allowed to unnecessarily attack?

Dr Dij
Dr Dij

so your point relating Jesus to these posts and black holes is? Jesus was sucked into a black hole? black holes represent hell or damnation? A relativistic wormhole re-deposited Jesus in time for Easter? Chocolate rabbits are brown due to their relationship to black holes? I didn't quite get your point, unless you were 'spamming religion'. Then your point had pretty much no relation to this article.

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

If our expansion is caused by that "mystery matter", then why is that "other matter" expanding? More mystery matter? Besides, if we are surrounded by a sphere of roughly equidistant matter, then we'd experience no pull, the pulls would cancel each other out. Besides, there are no problems with black holes. Matter doesn't disappear, it converts into radiation. Time doesn't break, it just ends. And of course there are no black holes, they are places where the universe ends... there's nothing there... a specific, ultimate kind of nothing.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

quark's reply was posted along with the Jay's original article. The combined pair of posts achieved a critical mass (obviously 42 of some unspecified quantum unit), imploded under its own weight, pulled itself in through its own event horizon, and just now popped back out in what we mistakenly refer to as "here and now".

boxfiddler
boxfiddler

for attacking any and all for no reason other than I want to.

santeewelding
santeewelding

Face it. You are a mouthpiece. Not a thing you say is your own.

victor.gutzler
victor.gutzler

I did not realize this thread was still active. The point I was making is that we are not insignificant ("It doesn't matter and neither do we...."), that we are not finite, that we will eventually know ("...we don't understand now and truly will never understand in the future.") about black holes, dark matter, and all other mysteries of the universe. How? By believing God, who created the heavens and the earth, who promises that we will be given resurrected bodies and that He will prepare a place for us. Why? So that these "insignificant" creatures made in His image could exist and come to know Him and appreciate all that He is and all that He has created. Indeed, "What is man, that Thou art mindful of him?" God loves us so much, that He designed the whole universe so that we could exist. And yet we despise His words in the bible and search after all kinds of theories about the universe without even an acknowledgement of His existence. Do we want to know about the universe? He says, "Seek ye first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you."

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

... that God is on the other side of the event horizon. Oneness = singularity, see? Apparently we'll all be part of that singularity come judgement day. Except for the naughty. Or maybe he's saying that God is a black hole, but I dunno, that sounds kinda blasphemous somehow. I guess we should burn him at the stake, just in case. That's the Right thing to do.

santeewelding
santeewelding

You go up against that which repeats what only it has been told, and what it is in no position whatsoever to bedraggle.

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

You never did tell how to fatally unhinge my argument... I think that'd make a great party trick. I'm not sure how getting dislodged and landing on my feet go together; maybe if I'm somehow stuck to the ceiling? I don't think that has been the case, not recently at least :p

neilb
neilb

It will be [b]your[/b] Higgs Boson, too, but I think we're much more likely to get a Rabi event. "Who ordered that?" :)

santeewelding
santeewelding

Of landing on your feet, if, that is, you were dislodged at all. See, would you, to [b]jck's[/b] love above of "theoretics". I meant to tell him that if he loved them, he would go bananas over set-theoretic. You appear qualified. Your foray with Apotheon the other day was, albeit clerical, pretty decent.

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

Otherwise I'll have to get a new one. I'm sure the people at CERN are reading this with great awe. Probably. Or maybe just copying it all down... we carry a great burden of responsibility don't we? :p

santeewelding
santeewelding

That you have leaped ahead in your understanding of all those people spending bazillions of euros on the collider to find out.

AnsuGisalas
AnsuGisalas

The universe ends at the event horizon, but it isn't a hole... nothing can fall in really, it's just bounced back via annihilation. So it's not a hole in space/time, rather it's an incontiguousness. Time/space simply is not, there, but warps around it. I think dark matter has more to do with the vaccuum oscillation.

jck
jck

Is unenergetic, dark matter...nothing? My opinion: black holes are amassed, conglomerations of fused matter who's state reaches absolute zero, yet its combined mass is so great that its gravity breaks all but the most basic sub-atomic bonds. Hence why GRBs stream from their poles at an opposing 180 degree vector. If it was a hole in space/time, it would have simply one portal in a single location. Correct? Of course, maybe dark matter is 2-dimensional matter and unless its surface faces us perfectly we can't perceive it? I love theoretics. :)

Falconeer
Falconeer

Now, that is something that has substance and can believe in without further examination. :)

NotSoChiGuy
NotSoChiGuy

...the name was 'Sphere'. Based off of a Crichton novel, apparently. Saw it once on a sick day. Was so bad, I contemplated going back to work that day; fever and all!! ;)

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

I haven't seen Hoffman in anything since "Tootsie", or Jackson since "Phantom Menace".

NotSoChiGuy
NotSoChiGuy

...a really crap movie with Dustin Hoffman and Samuel Jackson??

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