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House raided by mob in Craigslist ad hoax

A hoax Craigslist advertisement resulted in an Oregon man losing a sizable chunk of his possessions as hoards of bargain-hunters descended upon his home in a free-for-all grab.

A hoax Craigslist advertisement resulted in an Oregon man losing a sizable chunk of his possessions as hoards of bargain-hunters descended upon his home in a free-for-all grab.

A number of ads apparently popped up on Saturday afternoon, claiming that the owner of a Jacksonville home was forced to take leave in a hurry. As such, all his belongings, including a horse, were now free for the taking. The problem was that the victim, Robert Salisbury, had no such plans. In fact, if not for a call he received from a concerned do-gooder, he could well have returned to his home to find it totally cleaned out.

Excerpt from Seattle Times:

On his way home he [Robert Salisbury] stopped a truck loaded down with his work ladders, lawn mower and weed eater. "I informed them I was the owner, but they refused to give the stuff back," Salisbury said. "They showed me the Craigslist printout and told me they had the right to do what they did." The driver sped away after rebuking Salisbury. On his way home he spotted other cars filled with his belongings. Once home he was greeted by close to 30 people rummaging through his barn and front porch.

According to Salisbury, the trespassers tried to brush him off initially with printouts of the ad. By the time Jackson County sheriff's deputies arrived, several vehicles laden with his possessions had already taken off.

The case is now in the hands of the police who are working with the Craigslist legal team. In the meantime, items can be returned with no questions asked. If caught with Salisbury's possessions though, prosecution is likely.

Are these people just plain idiots, or playing the fool, buoyed by the mob of other such "bargain-hunters"? What preventive measures do you reckon could be taken to guard against such malicious hoaxes?

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316 comments
seanferd
seanferd

People really are that gullible, eh? No, really, don't check on the veracity of the ad or anything. Everyone else is taking stuff. I have this printout from the Internet that proves this is legal. Sheesh.

The Scummy One
The Scummy One

how many neighbors this person had? And why none of them called the police? If I saw a bunch of people hauling stuff from a neighbors house/yard and they were away, I would certainly call...

jdclyde
jdclyde

why yellowfellow made the post he did in reply to you?

yellow911
yellow911

GUNS AND GOD.....seriously, you people should stand well back.....and take a LONG, HARD LOOK AT YOURSELVES.....the most powerful nation on earth ?....truly,....it's honestly depressing.....

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

I was reading through teh rants and starting to see yoru view, even if a bit of back peddlign was there, you still did have a point. BUT, you lose all credibility again when you make absurd statements that anyone else KNOWS are untrue, such as: [i]"Untill my post's are moderated, I do have freadom to say wtf I want. But, you seem to slow to reconize that too."[/i] Your posts ARE moderated, the community moderates them anythign that does't follow the guidelines of TR's own private website will be removed without rick of repercussion. THAT is not freedom of speech. freedom of speech would protect that post from being deleted by anyone feeling it was inappropriate, but as this is a private website, FOS just doesn't apply.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Sorry Dan but this oxymoron gets me everytime. " American Inteligence " LOL, too much for one day, I couldn't even finish reading the post I was laughing so hard. But seriously, Dan, I am teh first to agree that my keyboarding skills are horrendous, my typing is absolutely pathetic; but in your case, it seems that you just can't spell anything you try and type. Stick to teh little words if you can't spell teh big ones and you'll gain mroe credibility than you will by using big words and spelling them wrong. You have made a few common mistakes that many people make here, PSer is a pratt too but at least in this case has a strong way of beating you down, whether right or wrong. In fact PSer has used many tactics of antagonization that I took used on another peer a few years back. In the end we called a truce and have since had a few interesting threads where we share a common view. But in order to regain any credibility, you'll need to watch the spelling (it's not a typo but an obvious inability to spell)and be careful with your sources. We all get trampled, PSer has been dragged in the mud a few times too, but it's how you pick yourself up and rebuild yourself that matters here; not that you win or lose a debate, whether look smart or look stupid. Change and be better, you'll come out the light end soon.

DanLM
DanLM

dick head... It was a report to congress. It used the department of defense as its source. The last year shown both on that report AND on the department of defense showed more then 2000 deaths under carter. Prove me wrong. I was not able to show the other 3 years of carter, that is why I said I was wrong. Again, mutiply the department of defense's figures by 4. You have over 8,000 deaths. I'll be nice, and give carter a break... Ill say he got lucky and it was 2000 less... In 4 years he still killed more troops in non combat then what has occured in the Iraq war. He is as you are... Clueless. Now pser, look it up... The document I posted shows it is to congress... Look at the references, dawgt follwed the links... You need a crayon trail for you to follow them? And I still stand by other statements I made in that thread... Democrats have selective memories... They are the first to cry foul about the republicans, but the first to foget what happened under their own watch. The deaths under carter being a primary example. Dan

PSer
PSer

"My documentation came from the department of defense" Your "documentation" had NOTHING in it to support your statement, hell, YOU even admitted that (after the fact) but you're defending it again???? I believe dawgit and NN can back me up on this or others could follow the links I provided. Your a liar and I have proved it beyond the shadow of any doubt! I made NO statements of fact, therefore I did not need to back up a statement of fact. And YOU telling me to f off or calling me names is just plain funny! I'll take each and everyone as a complement ... liar. Now, I am headed off to have an awesome weekend with my beautiful wife either in our custom built home or on my 007 H.D. Wide Glide! I'll have a smile on my face ALL weekend long AND I'll be able to sleep at night because I am NOT a liar!

DanLM
DanLM

1). The converstaion about the inteligence agencies was me making a point that it is needed to protect this nation. I was mistaken that I was replying to you, when I was making a point that this has been going on sence the beginning. f. off if you can't accept that explanation. 2). His statement was completely generic which insulted me. f. off if you don't like it. 3). bb verified I was correct in my assumption that he didn't like this nation and he wanted to move... Read the rest of the post.s f. off you moron. 4). This is old, your not even of intertainment value any more... I'll just keep yanking your chain and watching you flush... Your like the fish I flushed, only intertaining as you go in circles down the drain. f. off you moron. Have a crappy day you moron, I hope it gets progressivly worse... May the trafic be horendous, the people rude, and the lines extremely long. I hope they over charge you for everything you order, and I hope the people you trust stab you in the back. There, you happy now? Does that make you feel all better now cry baby? pser, you'r like Oboma. You talk a good line, but you don't say anything. Oboma I do respect, you I don't. Oboma I don't agree with, you I could care less what your statement is. Oboma proved me wrong about him having no guts to take things on, you have proven nothing. Oboma will be remembered, you will be like the fish I flushed. pser who? Don't expect me to reply, because your no longer worth it... I have better things to do then arguing with you. Watching paint dry comes to mind... Dan edited to add: the documentation I provided was to show that more military died under carter then in the iraq war. I still stand by that point considering over 2000 died in carters last year of office. Mutiply it by 4, and gee. He is double what happened in thbe iraq war. My documentation came from the department of defense, where is yours pser. remember, dod records show over 2000 deaths in 1 yhear under carter. Where is your source.

PSer
PSer

"You did clarifiy yourself... Which you should have done in the first place." It's not every posters obligation to "clarify" so those of lesser intelligence understands wtf they are saying! If YOU don't "get it" ... don't respond to it!

PSer
PSer

"You wouldn't really move from this country would you? Because of things that are occuring you don't like? It will never be perfect, and neither will any place else." Clueless it is!!! I never said THAT either dan, that's what YOU wanted to believe I said! What I said was "go CANADA" because that is ALL that was said by BB concerning Canada (in his first post). And THAT is what you were using to justify YOUR posts "go CANADA". I put it at the end of that post to make the point that "go CANADA" does NOT equal "F*CK America", well that and I KNEW you would read it like you did and get your panties in a bunch about it. "Chuckle, I was wrong" ? is your response to supplying incomplete data to back up your statements of fact, making false accusations, and out right lying!?!? Your not funny, your not clever, and most of all you are NOT honest. Play the "whoops I accidentally made false accusations about you" fool all you want. You aren't actually fooling anyone but yourself! I've seen it here, in the "Ron Paul" discussion, and others as well and not just concerning myself. I've seen you do the same things over and over again with various other posters. Last time ? grow up! edit: of facts and clarification

DanLM
DanLM

Well damn, I yanked his chain and he flushed. Chuckle, so I was wrong... Sue me num nuts... To be truthfull pser, I appoligize for that. No matter what you think, if I feel I am wrong... I will apolligize. And for everyone to see. Do me a favor though, answer me this. You wouldn't really move from this country would you? Because of things that are occuring you don't like? It will never be perfect, and neither will any place else. Dan

PSer
PSer

"You saying this nation always hasn't had spies... Ie, inteligence service. You HAVE heard of Benidict Arnald right? You don't think we had spies also?" Show me, liar. Show me where I said or implied ANY of this and I'll virtually kiss your a$$ and leave TR forever!!! C'mon liar, you're the one who likes to question the existance of one's balls respond to you! Well, liar ... you got the balls or is this once and for all going to prove you are nothing more than a pathetic loser/liar?!?!

DanLM
DanLM

Your intertainment pser, nothing more... Nothing less... In response to your bitch and complain about my sources... I replied to the people that count, the ones I respect. Guess that doesn't include you now does it. As far as inteligence services... So, I posted from the cia web site? Want other sources? You saying this nation always hasn't had spies... Ie, inteligence service. You HAVE heard of Benidict Arnald right? You don't think we had spies also? Again, your intertainment only. Where's your tin cup so I can throw some change in... Nothing much mind you, your poor at what you do. Dan

DanLM
DanLM

That i take issue with a citizen of my nation that would rather live elsewhere? That he is unwilling to try to change what he see's as wrong. That he feels this nation is not worth it? Sorry, I have real issues with that attitude... As much as you seem to have with mine. And you don't feel the same about your nation? And god bless you from someone that was critizing people of faith. God and guns was your post. What, it's ok for you to beleive but not others... Ok, what ever.. peace... I seen your previous post after I replied to this one... And even though you don't understand, your general tone is what caused my origional response to you. You did clarifiy yourself... Which you should have done in the first place... But, then again... We all have done that. So, peace and god bless... Chuckle, there I thumped my bible... Dan

PSer
PSer

New low ? rewriting (not an edit) a post's content AFTER it's been responded to to change the context!!! Bad Form ? http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=259242&messageID=2467964 I will only address one more thing concerning you're nonsensical and childish posts and that's just to prove you a liar ? again. And for those of you NOT following this train wreck of a poster, the part I will address is an accusation made in the "added/changed contents" in the rewritten post above, as for the rest of the name calling and saber rattling, you're SO not worthy! "By the way Pserv, I seem to remember a thread about American Inteligence gathering where I was able to show from washington on where we have had it. You didn't have the respect to answer at that time because it didnt follow your warped logic. Why should I expect anything else from you." -rewritten to change context of post because I'm a liar dan First off, the thread was about "Ron Paul's chances". Second the break down ? Your first post to me was both ignorant and insulting, so I responded. (Which led you to start crying like the little b!tch you are, well, you were already doing that) Then YOU made an accusation and posted a document that was to have all sorts of data backing YOUR claims. Not mine, nor anyone else's, YOURS. Before I had even had a chance to see your post dawgit and NN had both pointed out that there was NO - ZIP - ZERO -NADA lick of data backing YOUR damning accusations/claims. At that point I knew that you were NOT worthy of one more keystroke from myself and I said as much. You then proceeded to go to EVERY post I had made in that thread to try and "poke at me" (much like the one you posted at the top of this thread, off of the root, on 4-3-08 @ 5:09 PDT) in some sort of juvenile attempt at attacking my character and "challenging" me to some absurd "contest" that could only be thought up and put forth by someone as clueless as yourself. (does the absurdity of your "challenge" need to be pointed out to you? If so, seek professional help, there is nothing I can do for you). "American Inteligence gathering where I was able to show from washington on where we have had it". -rewritten to change context of post because I'm a liar dan Your claim here of YOU providing supporting documentation to myself or anyone else who asked for it in that thread is an out right LIE! http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=256540&messageID=2444631 http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=256540&messageID=2444737 http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=256540&messageID=2444858 http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=256540&messageID=2445640 "I may be harsh, I may not have fanese... But I do read about most things I comment on. I also look for mutiple perspectives on the topics I read about. Others should take the time to do the same. And thats probably why I am so harsh I think... Because I don't think alot of people do that... They only read what they want to about a speicific subject. I call it selective reading... Chuckle... " -dan the liar Still Chuckling, Liar? I don't have the time, patience, or desire to deal with LIARS on any level at any time, dan the Lying Man; DanLM ? makes sense now. And again, EXTREMELY Bad Form, changing the contents/context of a post AFTER other's have posted to it?!?!? Does NOT bode well for ANYONE's character, much less yours.

yellow911
yellow911

DanLM.....i am seriously beginning to think almost ANY-ONE could fool you....you really don't stop to think before you get out the flame-thrower, do you ? you will, no doubt, be immensely pleased and feel vindicated in your absurd positions, to know that this is the very last time that i will ever reply to one of your absurdly aggressive posts. good-night and god bless you....( frankly, i think your gonna need it )

DanLM
DanLM

The grass is always greener on the other side. Go for it... Now your just being stupid... Bad enough your a moron, but a stupid one at that. Voting is a right given to you by your founding fathers... You show both disrespect for your fellow citizens and also the people that created this nation. Nothing no longer supprizes me about you. Your words, go play with your self little boy who wants to takes his toys and run away. Quite obviously you don't know how to play with the big boys. You don't even have the nerve to show your sources where you base your oppinions on. Again, that does not supprize me. Now that I think about it, you never have. And thats why I have never respected your posts... The people I respect have always shown me where they base their oppinoin from... What a moron... What a total moron. Dan

PSer
PSer

"Vote for a Change", how pressumtuous of you to insinuate that I do or do not or have or have not particapated in every election since I was old enough to vote. go CANADA!!!! Leaving for the day, guess you'll have to keep playing with yourself for the rest of the day. Don't you worry none though, I ain't running from anything! Especially you.

DanLM
DanLM

For I have been in many discussion's where I disagree'd and showed respect. You and your post's have never deserved respect. As far as BB's post goes. Want to join him, or will you do as I sugest. And vote for change. He runs away, will you? By the way Pserv, I seem to remember a thread about American Inteligence gathering where I was able to show from washington on where we have had it. You didn't have the respect to answer at that time because it didnt follow your warped logic. Why should I expect anything else from you. fos? Personally, I just think your warped. I will give you this though pserv. I think you will vote for change, I don't think you will run away. That much I respect you. And you stupid moron. Untill my post's are moderated, I do have freadom to say wtf I want. But, you seem to slow to reconize that too. Hell, I'm starting to enjoy this. Let's compare reading diversity Pserv... I'm willing to put up my diverse reading sources against yours. Let's see who is more open then the other. Put up or shut up. Do you follow both conservitive and liberal sources? Both mind you, not just one. Dan

PSer
PSer

Where in his/her original post did he/she ask YOU for anything??? "Freedom of Speech" ? on this forum does not exist, deal with it! Try and "justify" your ignorance all you like. Anyone who HAS seen your posts knows ? enough. You say you don't respect BB, why? Your first contact with this person was in this thread and it was his/her "go CANADA" statement that FIRST initiated a hate filled response from you. He made a statement that was deserving of your immediate disrespect because of his apposing view point?!?! (is "go CANADA" really that offensive?) Tell me more of this "Freedom of Speech" you are referring to ? Still FOS dan and everybody knows it but you!

DanLM
DanLM

Have you ever seen me post, ever, that showed any disrespect for the people that fought for this nation? How many people do I disagree with on this forum? Their political beleifs... av, deepsand, many more. Some I respect some I don't. bb is one of the people I don't. If you look though the posts on THIS topic, you will find where I say that people should vote for change if they think this nation is on the wrong course. Because he served for this nation, as many MILLIONS did that have my respect. He expects me to agree with him? He expects me to cower to every breath he takes? He expects me to not use my Freedom of speach because it is not in align with his beleifs? yea, ok... So much for freedom of speach. As in selective reading of history, we now have selective freedom of speach for agreements and disagreements. He has a right to state he wants to leave. I have a right to start a collection to make it happen and tell him what a doush bag I think he is. Dan

jdclyde
jdclyde

My grandpappy gave me his old Remington Woodmaster, 743, I do believe. I don't have cause for the 200 grains though, because this piggy kicks, hard. Then for the fancy shooting, like trying to take of their ear or something, I can pull out my S&W model 19, which is what I use for competition shooting. B-) Soon as my tax return comes in, I will be adding to the collection. Browning has a killer .22 that I was looking at. Something affordable to take the boys out shooting. That just may find a new home.... ;\

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

a 30 06 with 200 grain shells... so if 3 or 4 of em line up...

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

Don't hold back, seriously, let us know how you feel :0. But thanks for bringing up the "we fought for your freedom" malarky. In all honesty, since the civil war, Larry Flint has done more to preserve American Constitutional rights then any military engagement. And before you start, WW1 and WW2 were almost exclusively European wars in which America took part. But, if BB is a WW2 vet I will apologize many times over.

jdclyde
jdclyde

I on the other hand would get my Sig p229 .357 auto. Even before you take into consideration the second clip, it will add twice as much cholrine to the gene pool. B-)

jdclyde
jdclyde

I [b]KNOW[/b] he posted in the wrong place, while you are stuck in the level of only [b]THINKING[/b] he did, but are not quite sure. Point jd. B-)

jdclyde
jdclyde

Takes $350k to move? Sounds like you have other issues that need to be addressed. A moving van and gas shouldn't run you more than $3K. Do you really think crying and running away will resolve your issues? Running to Canada will magically keep your feelings from being hurt? Oh, and if you are replying to someone, the competent way is to reply under the post your wishing to discuss. Randomly throwing a post anywhere is unlikely to get you the response you are looking for.

DanLM
DanLM

Id rather keep people that will try to change what they don't like then just give up. Fought for this nation? You could have fooled me by the post you just made.. You fought for nothing, you showed up. Your using it as an excuse, you don't need one. Just leave. Do you support code pink by the way? Give me an address, I will start the collection. And while I am stating what I think... Why did you even bother comeing back? If you loved this nation, I would appriceate your efforts and do anything for you. You don't love this nation, or the people that are part of the mix of it. Or what, do you only want your own special brand of population? You quite obviously don't understand the nation you fought for do you. The mix of people that make it up. Do you. You only want people that follow your line of reasoning, such as PServ. fk you... I will do anything for someone that loves this country. Anything. I will do everything in my power against people that don't. Your one of the second group. Your not worth $300,000 by the way.. Your worth a 3rd class buss ticket to hell.. And thats all your worth. Dan

The Scummy One
The Scummy One

it was just placement that made me ask. Nothing like everything going out of context like that (and BB's post to you) :^0 I believe yellow said it was because he went through the thread and posted after reading it all. However, maybe from me because of my comment that I'd be a killin while on the phone with the police :^0 I thought that the last line was funny myself. But apparently the humor didnt follow through as intended. But yes, I would (if available) under these conditions, pull out the shotgun. It all depends on useage of it though.

BBPellet
BBPellet

In response to DanLM, The only reason I would love to move to Canada, is that I and my fellow Brothers in Arms gave our lives to protect your freedom, and you A*Holes do not appreicate it in the least. I'd rather go somewhere where my efforts and duties would be appreicated by those I fought for! So go ahead and start the collection, when you have the $350,000 saved up for me, let me know and I will gladly take it...convert it to canadian currency (which is worth more than US!!!) and go on my way. Thanks!

JohnMcGrew
JohnMcGrew

The problem is that few "alternatives" show any promise at being more economical than oil, even at $100/barrel. When oil goes closer to $200, then perhaps we will start seeing some worthwhile alternatives. But that won't happen any time real soon, unless actions of the President, Congress & the Fed inflate the currency to that point. The last thing we need is government picking the winners & losers. I think that the ethenol fiasco should be a good enough example as to what happens when we let them get involved.

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

[i]I know there are "Greener" nations out there, i also know that no nation is "Completely Green" I know in your eyes we are all fools but you know in my eyes the rest of the world wants to whip on us some more.[/i] It's a lot easier and cheaper for a country with a million people and 100,000 square miles to replace its infrastructure than it is one with 300 million+ population and 3 million+ square miles.

MallardtooXX
MallardtooXX

I understand your stance here. Everyone looks at the US as having the best of everything handed to us. I must however refute some of your claims as I always do. First off- All Americans are gluttons. That in fact is not true. While we do have many more options available to us than most countries, it is not because we are "Gluttonous Consumers? it is because our infrastructure allows it. Has it always been this way? No, the average man used to have to hunt and kill in times when France and Britain were "Civilized" and we were back water nare'do'wells. You can look back in the not too distant past and see a study in England full of "trophy heads" literally thousands of animals killed for their head. You can refute that by saying show me an American Buffalo, well I can't but we learned from that. I think the argument of Gluttony is silly. I am sure it is a direct response of "Well look at X (in this case America) they are the most powerful country in the world they must be wasting everything and saying let them eat cake." I gotta say here that is just not true. America gets sh+t on quite a bit, yet we just keep pumping more and more of our tax dollars into other countries? economies. Don't believe me, then look at our Aids contributions in Africa. I know that is old news but it keeps going on. Our government while not above corruption is nearly completely transparent; you can see what we are doing because we as Americans demand it ourselves. If it irks people that we can as you say eat steak for dinner every night, then take some of your resources and pump them into cattle case closed. If I am a glutton because I can afford to put my work ethic to use and make enough to provide a comfortable life for my family then so be it. If I am to be ashamed of it so be it, but guess what, I am not nor will I ever be. In the case of Gluttony I think it easy to point the finger at anyone who may or may not have more than you and call them a Glutton, I think it is harder to look inward and say it into the mirror. Second- Oil consumption...Yes we import more than we produce, htf do you think Saudi Arabia got so rich? In the realm of world economy is the Basis the Looney or the Dollar? When the Canadian economy tanks does the rest of the world go into Protect mode? No, why? Because the world has come to depend on the US as a staple for their own economy. Did we ask for it, damned straight we did, does it make it easy? Not at all but we do it. This is not me beating my chest here it is a statement of fact. Britain and the EU puff op their monetary system to overshadow the Dollar...Pesky Americans just won't go away...let?s make our money more valuable that will drive them off! Now I want you to move to France and get a job, what? You can't..What about Germany? Same? But their Economy is so much stronger than the US how can that be? You do the math. What I am saying is insofar as the average American is concerned there is nothing to do but buy gas at whatever price presented and go to work. I for one am lucky I can ride a bike to my job if need be, I think my wife likes it better cause I am getting into better shape! And when we do gripe about the price it is because there are companies in a free market that are not playing fair. It is the Ideal of a free market to gain advantage in an honest and moral way, we all know that is crap, but it is an Ideal many Americans cling to. So the next time you watch your news and they are flaming the US for its oil consumption remember this. In the next five years it will be CHINA population 1/6th of the world and growing! That is consuming everything...not the USA population 350 million accounted for legal residents and shrinking. Put that in your pipe and smoke it cause when was the last time china did anything for the global community? Third Alternative energy I agree there is not enough research in this matter; I do not however believe it is America's job to foot the bill completely. Wind farms, solar arrays, fuel cells, they are all emergent and wonderful tech. But why should the majority of the research be done by any one country? This is a global crisis that America did not create alone. So why is it our fault if no one wants to develop the tech? I know there are "Greener" nations out there, i also know that no nation is "Completely Green" I know in your eyes we are all fools but you know in my eyes the rest of the world wants to whip on us some more. Finally Do you honestly think the rest of the sovereign nations of the world would sit back and take the crap we do? You know it would not happen. Look at the hoopla over a cartoon going on, yet we have our own people showing Christ being defecated on by our current president. Fly a copy of that across any Muslims desk and replace Christ with Muhammad...yeah you know what would happen. I am not saying this to incite anyone; I believe it is everyone's right to live as they will, why? Cause I am American and that is the way we are taught from a very young age. Judge not lest ye be judged. I want the world to be a better place than it was when I came into it, but it will not be so, my children suffer not only my sins, but the sins of my nation and the sins of the rest of the world. I for one am sick of it, almost as sick of it as I am everyone thinking it is okay to bash America at any given chance. If you do not want America in your life then fine we understand. On the same side of the coin, one could argue get out of Iraq, trust me when I say there is nothing more any of us would want than to keep our soldiers out of body bags in that Sh=thole but we started it and now it must be finished lest the entire world suffer the consequences. In closing I say this, OZ I respect you, you are not afraid to state your opinion. I like you, we have sparred many times, hence the respect part. But in the case of America bashing I must stand up. The world thinks it would be better off without us, maybe, maybe not. But the last time we tried Isolationism the entire world knows what the consequence was. If no one wants us to be here then fine say so and we will take our toys and go home. Just be prepared to deal with the stuff we are dealing with cause that means we take our funding, military, and research with us too! -duck

JohnMcGrew
JohnMcGrew

...is now inoperative: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7329799.stm The mainstream media has been as pliant as possible is maintaining the illusion that "global warming" is a anthroprogenic problem. However, they can only do so much given that the facts are against them. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/07/climate-activist-got-bbc-change-global-temperatures-decrease-article The proper term for use by all facists is now "climate change". Please take note of this change. Thank you.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Hi JD, yes we both see the need to reduce our carbon footprint. Why though? The only reason is because we have created an economy which thrives on carbon emissions, this needs to be recreated. We created our environment, we need to recreate it because it is being recreated into an environment which we can't survive in. As for electric cars beign stupid, I disagree. While the 'current solution' (sorry for the pun) is not a realistic one, it is a step towards rethinking/recreating our environment, just as wind power, tidal power etc. are too. the current war, regardless of all the millions of reasons is in part justified as a way to secure our interests in middle eastern oil flow. Lose that ability to gain oil to a terrorist group who doesn't like the USa, and you've REALLY got problems. Oil runs teh world today as we know it, there's no denying that. Oil is and has been our economy for a loong time now, which is what we need ot change. The way I see it, these alternate energies are not gettign teh recognition, funding and attention they deserve, because it is in the government's best interests to support the oil companies instead, therefore immediately supporting teh growth of our economy. While teh economy grows though, our resources do not, they are being depleted while we demand more each day. It's a definite disasterous direction, with the only hope of resurrection being change, unfortunately too many people don't want to change and here we sit. Instead of getting real attention, we are left to discuss alternatives, derived from low budget developments, in order to appear like we care. In essence, if we really cared, we would elect politicians who will sink a few hundred million into the right areas instead of protecting oil interests in other countries. This may even be a good resolution to end our conflicts in the Middle East, if we don't need oil, we don't need THEM. In which case, they have little to fight over, their religious differences are one thing, but I really don't think we'd see the same verocity towards conflict if we didn't have a common economical interest. Sorry for typos, don't have time to edit today, just running out on a few calls.

jdclyde
jdclyde

When I took my Stats class last year, the instructor stated first thing, if we walk out of the class with anything, it will be an understanding of why not to trust most stats. I was not arguing anything by asking the per/capita, just trying to put some of the "gluttony and overconsumption" of the US in perspective. A lot of hype, mostly. While a few years old, the numbers OTR posted were very interesting. Oz, we have long ago agreed the focus should be a clean enviornment, so there isn't much to say from that point. Resources, I very much disagree. The FIRST step is to stop funding terrorist states (middle east) and insane dictators. Keep the money home, by using our own resources, instead of sending our money offshore. Second phase (worked on the whole time) is reasonable solutions to reduce the consumption of oil/coal. Battery operated cars is not a solution. batteries still need to be charged AND disposed of, making them a STUPID idea. Already having electricity shortages on your coastline as it is, let alone drastically increase the demand by running our cars on that same source? ethanol is shortsighted and stupid. still polutes, and in a world were people are starving, we are stupid enough to burn food in our cars? Sure, the farmers like it because they can make more money NOW, but this whole thing just drives me nuts. Right now, they are getting ready to build MORE coal plants in Michigan, and I believe 6 total in the midwest. Do we really want to build more coal plants? Well, got to go release some carbon emissions so I can get some lunch.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

When cornered of faced with similar threat, a robbery will escalate into violence instantly. When faced with a robber, simply don't stop him from leaving, clear path to the exit and he'll be gone. Just like cornering any scared animal, give it a clear path and it will leave, without problems. People think they have to play hero, over a few bucks, some jewelry etc. But nobody is so impressed when the clown gets shot three times by an intruder, leaving his wife a widow with three children. Way to go, hero.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Again reflecting on teh IA's stats, which I don't care for too much after watching how government documents get edited into nothing a few months after they are posted and receive negative attention. 2 PDF's- http://pages.ca.inter.net/~jhwalsh/woilcap.html Also, much like Nationmaster is StateMaster, except these are ismply US stats, but interesting Google Map to go with it. http://www.statemaster.com/graph/ene_pet_con_percap-energy-oil-consumption-per-capita But these PDF's do show the production and consumption per capita from 1965-2006 and 1965-2006 respectively. I don't know that I care for the basis of your argument though, on a question regarding overcomsumption, gluttony etc. Your rebuttal is that you are not able to build well in protected areas in order to drill for mroe. Getting MORE oil is not the problem, finding ways to do the same things WITHOUT oil should be the focus. We have become a society that places creature conforts and commerce well above the planet itself. By creating our own comfortable environment, for the short term, we have devastated countless other life forms on the planet. While we slowly take mankind out of the picture, we are also taking down many other life forms with us, because we have deemed ourselves the superior being, deserving the full benefits of luxury without recourse for oiur actions or needing to be held accountable. We CAN do better, but choose not to. We DO have the technology but choose not to fund it. We DO have the intent but don't practice it, just pay it lip service. There's not much you can do about a global problem unless people wake up and smell the bacon. People downplay GW too often, as it is easy to downplay some of teh radicals behind teh scare tactics. Unfortunately this also detracts from a real issue, one that CAN be addressed but isn't because, people are too f*****g lazy, too complacent, too selfish (not wanting to pass up luxuries in fear of a horrible life) because people just don't believe what they read no matter how it is hammered into them etc. It is creature comforts and big business, people feel teh economy would crumble without wasting resources. So what, we built teh economy ourselves and can REbuild the economy ourselves, in a much smarter way now thet we know better. Unfortunately that isn't even in the cards now, people have fear of losing quality of life. It's an absolutely retarded mindset....not suggesting you directly JD, but the many who are opposed to addressing these issues head on.

OnTheRopes
OnTheRopes

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con_percap-energy-oil-consumption-per-capita Their data may not actually be very current but finding the latest and greatest information on oil consumption and population isn't all that easy either. The best shot I've found is to go to the CIA's World Factbook which you can find at http://www.cia.gov located on their 'Quicklinks' to the upper right. Do the math for yourself and you'll see that the US and Canada are very close to each other as far as oil consumption per capita. Using the CIA's numbers, the US imports 11.1 times as much oil as Canada overall for a population that is 9.02 times larger. Canada has double the total oil exports of the US.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

I understand your concern, but it's no different up here. In Canada, we have more unoccupied wilderness than any other country on Earth. Considering what a miniscule patr of Canada is actually inhabited, the amount of wild untapped resources are astronomical. The problem is, much of what remains of teh country is now protected wilderness, and as much as I support the need for resources, I support the need to retain that wilderness even more. I don't know if it has teh same impact on Americans as they are used ot a densely populated country with national parks being the only real protected areas. When I lived on the island, I was already very aware of logging of practices as I have been exploring and camping in the mountains for decades now. But the sheer brutality of what US ownd Weyerhauser was doing to teh forests around me was seriously sickening. I don't mean that cutting down trees breaks my heart, I'm not one of 'those' guys and I have friends who used to make a living at it, until their companies were put out of busienss when US companies started to log BC for themselves. But to see the absolute devastation they left behind just pi$$ed me of fto no end, if YOU saw it you would be shocked too, as you would never believe it if you heard it either. I mean absolutely horrible, animals lying dead on logging roads that were once thier habitat, birds that just never came back (I had a hawk in my backyard for nealy 6 weeks due to its environment being destroyed). but it wasn't just teh animals, local city meetings were always about Wyer fighting for access into protected Provincial forets, whining that they weren't able to keep up with demand and how they weren't making any money etc. Of course they completely ignored that THAT is why the local companies had shut down already. To top it all off, they then f****d Canada for some 6 billion in softwood tarrifs which they didn't pay, which were also a part of the USA's insistance on NAFTA.

jdclyde
jdclyde

what the consumption per capita is and how it compares to other countries like Canada or the UK. I really have no idea, just curious. As for how we are seen, it is kind of a self feeding machine (as I see it). We have a HORRIBLE media empire (as you have attested to repeatedly). That media empire shows and glorifies only the worst in society, giving even people here the idea that it is the acceptable and expected way to live their miserable lives. A downward spiral, that is dropping fast. Mind you, it is the liberal, "no standards/no judgments" mentality that is feeding the downward spiral the most (thanks hollywood). Because this is what even WE see in the media and films, why would it be ANY surprise that the rest of the world would see and take it all (out of context)? Just like not every Muslim is a ranting fanatic looking to kill all the infidels, not all Americans are wasteful, greedy people. It is total BS though that we DO have resources of our own that we are not ALLOWED to tap into. It is moronic burning food for fuel, and not an acceptable alternative.

DanLM
DanLM

I wish you would have been as explict in your origional post as you were in the followup to me. By the way, I don't own a gun. If you followed everythign I said, it never crossed my mind to shoot someone when I was robbed... Your origional post was very generic when it come to americans. Like it or not, that is the tone of the post. Dan

DanLM
DanLM

Good post. I agree with everything you said, including we are no longer number 1. Point being, you never gave up and you still love it here. For all this nations faults, its still ours... And we only do the best we can to make it better... But run to another country because we don't like what we see in our own? No, that is far from being the answer. Again, good post. Dan

DanLM
DanLM

Good post. I agree with everything you said, including we are no longer number 1. Point being, you never gave up and you still love it here. For all this nations faults, its still ours... And we only do the best we can to make it better... But run to another country because we don't like what we see in our own? No, that is far from being the answer. Again, good post. Dan

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

It is because of the possible ecological damage that I was opposed to the drilling. If you CAN'T provide your own oil, then you have no choice but to buy it from somewhere else, but in that same sense; why does America consume so much of what they can't produce and all the while Americans refuse to see a danger or stand up to address the issues of reducing oil consumption? If you don't have the resources to feed your family steak every day, recognize the need to eat something else and stop eating steak for every meal and throwing most of it away because your full. It is called gluttony (The fifth deadly sin), a word obviously not found in an American dictionary. Seeing as America has more than half of the world's total number of oil wells, the largest number for any country in the world(500,000+ and growing) and Canada has less than 70,000, why is it that Americans get nearly 60% of their imported oil from Canada? You pay some of the lowest prices for your gasoline, yet all the world hears is Americans griping about the price of gas and teh need ot drill in other countries. It's almost like nobody actually gets it, down there. You use the most of a commodity that you can't produce in large enough quantities to supply yourselves. You also import more of that commodity than any other country, even from those that manage to provide their own supply AND supply the US, despite the lack of wells in comparison. If OTHER countries can manage consumption, why can't the USA? The simple answer is that people in the USA are gluttonous, they insist of having these luxuries and creature conforts that they can't produce. They then complain at the first hint of controlling those comforts. It's like you want to have it all, for free, a free ride a free life with no repercussions. So what do yuo think that drillign in the Artic would give you? You already have more wells than anyone else and rely on others for most of your supply. So lets say you get your wells, you get your oil, you will proportionately consume more, at a lower price than others. So then you need MORE wells, and so on, and so on and so on. It's never ending until 'the well dries up', at which time you will accept no blame or responsibility and will simply look as others as deficient in not providing the USA, will start to flame countries in the middle east because you saved their asses from certain doom and can't get oil from them etc. It's old hat now, the world has seen it too many times. It's a never ending life of gluttony and the inevitable hand held out. Inevitably the best resolution was to allow the USA to declare complete independence. No contact outside of America, no resources bought from outside of America, the trade agreements all scrapped etc. Isolated and cut off without responsibility, just as many Americans wich it was like now. I wonder how many minutes it would take for your president (whomever it may be) to declare war on others just to get access to their resources? In short, america is seen wodlwide as a bunch of greedy, self centered and arrogant baystards! This can be heard globally anytime someone is describing or asked for opinion on the USA, it's not just me, it's not just France, the Middle East etc. it's the way the world sees America.

yellow911
yellow911

i frankly don't see how my comment was an "anti-american rant ".i was specifically referring to the preponderance of lunatic replies about KILLING people who'd robbed you and the god-squaders wading in with strange religious quotations, NOT a generalised attack on the u.s., your our friends, remember...we have stood with you guy's in every conflict you have gotten yourselves into...it's what mates do in this country....if your mate shoots his mouth of in the bar and gets pinged for it, well, right or wrong, you stand by him. that's what we do here. so, no not anti-american...it was FAR more personal...it was a direct comment to you people ( no, not ALL of you) making your ridiculous gun-crazy, murderous, macho comments and strange religious non-sense. so, please, take issue with me, if you will ,regarding my comments, but DON'T accuse me of generalising with a good old u.s. bash ( unless, of course, in some way i struck a raw nerve ). now, in relation to your offer to settle it with guns, please be advised, you would be shooting an un-armed man. we don't have fire-arms in the general population here, and 97% of us LIKE it that way. please don't think were fairies tho'...we go the biff pretty hard (MY macho bit)....but, i WILL compete against you in a crocodile wrestling comp. down at my shack, if that would suffice. .....( chill dan, you'll give yourself a heart-attack, getting so worked up over an internet post)

jdclyde
jdclyde

each state here is about the equivilent of a country in the EU. People from these small countries that can't understand how Americans can live their lives and never leave our own country forget the size and diversity our country has. We CAN'T drive from one side of the country to the other in a day. We could go to Canada or Mexico, but they don't really count. Cross into Canada, and other than metric speed limits everyone ignores, you don't notice a difference. Cross into Mexico and you can't eat or drink anything because of the bacteria in everything, so all you can do is drink tequila and lay out at the beach. Of course as it is one big sheethole of a desert, the whole thing is beach, just most doesn't have water. Yeah, it is a shame we are not as perfect as countries in the EU, with a zero level unemployment, total racial harmony, prosperity "and There are NO cats in America, and the streets are paved with cheeeEEse...."

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

for hamburgers. And teh bar code, and teh disposable lighter..well I guess we did, Im just kinda writing stuff in. Its obvious America is not the technology leader, we are years behind in cell phone technology alone.. but the cost of American infrastructure is slightly higher then for the average European country.

JamesRL
JamesRL

Working at a 7-11 on the 11-7 (AM) shift, robbed by 2 guys at 4 am. They leaped over the counter, pushed me back and opened the register. One had the hand in jacket pocket like a gun, but it didn't matter. If a 7-11 employee resisted in any way it was automatic firing. I could have made the first one sing soprano when he came over, but that would have lost me a paycheck. They left the store, I locked up, called the cops and then my boss, who lost her mind. I got a coffee and wrote a detailled description. They were caught on something days later and my description implicated them in my case. We went to court and they got two years. The Southland corporation used me as an example of what to do during a robbery. I was back on duty the next night. They paid me a day to go to court, and my boss came too to make sure I was ok. I'm not risking my life for a couple of bucks. If I find you in my home, I will assume you might be violent though and I will respond in kind. James

PSer
PSer

I have "doubt where you're coming from", and get ready to be "proved wrong". "But I do read about most things I comment on. I also look for mutiple perspectives on the topics I read about. Others should take the time to do the same. And thats probably why I am so harsh I think... Because I don't think alot of people do that... They only read what they want to about a speicific subject. I call it selective reading... " - dan You are so FOS! The last exchange you and I had started with a similar response from you to me. It was out of line and just plain wrong. I responded and you then "supported" your "numbers" (argument) with a document that had NO - ZERO - ZIP - NADA lick of evidence to support your "over the top assertions" and or "facts". You were called on it by other posters as well, after you KNEW you were wrong, you apologized to the other posters and merely made small mention of the OP. You did NOT correct yourself or your response (by providing the documentation you said you would) or apologize to me for all of the unsupported and hate filled venom you were spewing in my direction. After you made a fool of yourself you then began to "respond" (pock at me) to every post in that thread trying to "call me out" for some sort of flame war with a wacko who does not support what he spews! No thanks ... This is why I have not engaged you since, "Others should take the time to do the same. And that's probably why I am so harsh I think" ? disingenuous at best a liar at worst. BTW: I am NOT the only person here who has tried to "yank your chain" in to and out of your hostile posts and attitude and you know it as well as the rest of us. So, you keep on keepin' on dan and rest assured, I'll be here to fill in the virtual holes you dig for yourself. Now that I know it annoys you so ? Upon further consideration, I don't think a person with your disposition could fully appreciate a "Nice Day". :(

DanLM
DanLM

But, do you have any doubt where I am comeing from when I argue with someone? If I have been wrong, have you seen me say so in open forum for everyone to see? I may be harsh, I may not have fanese... But I do read about most things I comment on. I also look for mutiple perspectives on the topics I read about. Others should take the time to do the same. And thats probably why I am so harsh I think... Because I don't think alot of people do that... They only read what they want to about a speicific subject. I call it selective reading... Chuckle... Dan

The Scummy One
The Scummy One

ROFL -- I do love your artistic ways of arguing -- lol

PSer
PSer

RFink, We will have to agree to disagree though, or maybe not. :p

PSer
PSer

"I have no issue with disagreements" ? uh, yeah riiiiiight. You ever seen a big mean dog on chain's end, standing on hind quarters, barking to no end at god knows what? Good. Now repeat after me ? "This is not a debating style". Have a nice day, you big 'ol ray of sunshine! :)

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Was robbed twice while pumping gas in teh late 80's (while in trade school). In such a case, I'll make you a coffee and hold teh door for you. It isn't MY money and I really couldn't give a toss if you want to take it. We actually rarely got robbed for money though, usually smokes. The second time around I offered teh guy one pack off the shelf and he was happy with that, smiled used alighter off the counter to light it, put the lighter back and left. Different breed in need here, less crack more smack. People just get a focus of what they want and go to any extreme to get it, but it's rarely money that they REALLY want. The guy that I dropped had just walked up to me after leaving a downtown bar, I think he had a 'finger gun' in his pocket but I wasn't willing to hang around and find out. Boot, punch, kick, see you some other time, after you pick yourself up.

jdclyde
jdclyde

we would BE providing a lot of our own oil. I remember YOU were pissed at the idea of us drilling in the ANWAR, right? If we are not ALLOWED to drill our own oil, of course we are FORCED to import. You can't be on both ends of that arguement, so which is it? As for technology, we did invent the stop light and velcro! :p

jdclyde
jdclyde

there are certain words I always to that to as well. It is like the wiring for the fingers is wrong and I KNOW it is, but can't help it. :(

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

I forgot you were back, LOL, nice one! :D

RFink
RFink

Opinionated? Yes, Emotional? No

jdclyde
jdclyde

was held up at gun point, one and a half times, working in a gas station. The second time I told the guy to take a hike because he wasn't getting anything. He opened his gun to show me it was loaded, and an open gun doesn't shoot anyone. Took the gun and put a beating to him. There was a dent in the side of one of the gas pumps from his head. To this day, they use me as an example of what NOT to do in case of a robbery. Yeah, it was dumb, but 21 and invincible, what else could I do? B-)

DanLM
DanLM

I have no issue with disagreements, people thinking the country has problems. My issues are as follows: 1). Do not throw quotes at me by founding fathers unless you've read more then just one flippen quote.. I can find writtings to show you wrong... I want to know all history, not just the stand on a soap box our founding fathers were holier then though. 2). If your not willing to work in the system our founding fathers gave us. Which by his comment he doesn't. Then move. Screw it, thats what you want. Just do it. And you. I do not thump my bible or wave my damn flag. I give you a flippen perspective your too skeptical to even consider. If you can't handle counter arguments, screw you. Don't waiste your time on me. Because as far as I'm concerned. Thats what you are. A total waiste of breath. But, per a pervious post I made... If you wern't too holier then though to read it... Vote for what you want... Just like my advise is to b.b.... But, from what I read. And what I understood. He would RATHER live in another country. And if that is the case, I will still take up a colection to send him to the country of his choice. Because he quite obviously doesn't think this country is worth it. And if he dosn't think it is, then he doesn't belong here now does he. Screw you pserv... You self rightious ahole. Do us a both a favor. keep your self ritghious, self centered, jack off replies out of my part of the thread... For I will tell you just exactly what I think with no holds bared.. Can't stand the heat, get the fk out of the fire. Dan

PSer
PSer

Some valid/good points in your post. However, (you knew it was coming! ;) ) "PC made us ashamed to excel or to be the best because we might offend someone along the way. Winning is discouraged because the losers might feel bad. PC corrupted this country and it's spreading like a cancer. Attitude comes before achievement and as long as the US has the PC attitude it's doomed to fail. It's just a matter of time and it's already happening." How is THIS "taking the emotional baggage out of the equation."???? Sounds like a pretty "emotional" argument to me. Just curious ...

PSer
PSer

Scummy, as for the "sheer aggression" yellow was talking about, it's not a matter of "what if this happened to me, and how I would act armed or not". There was so many things wrong with this story on so many different levels and what most Americans (some not all) did, instead of trying to discuss the wrongs, rights (and RIGHTS), culpabilities, C.L., liabilities, etc.(and the implications of all of these things combined) we (Americans) ? "took it THERE" ? so to speak. Delusions of hypothetical violence, aggression, revenge, and vigilante justice with the barrel of a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other. Blowing away every M***** F***** in site with either a Gun or in the name of God is soooo middle ages! (would YOU really KILL someone (or "multiples") for stealing your couch or TV or any material object for that matter?) There was/is so much more to this story than "what would me and my God do if it happened to me?". I can see someone outside of our culture looking at this thread and thinking exactly what Yellow thought, hell, I saw it and thought it. "Americans are a bunch of self centered Neanderthals who can hardly see past their own nose without the use of violence and or "Godly vengeance" to justify any and every thing America(ns) do/does, individually or collectively. Surely I don't need to site any examples to you, as I reckon you 'know what I am talking about'. Basically, I was responding to Yellow's "God and Guns" post (the one that initiated this flame fest) but I wanted it to be under BB's post as well. So, perhaps that is where/why you found it un-agreeable for you. Perhaps not. James, obviously, we agree on this matter. Except, I did not see a "Joke" in Yellow's post ? did I miss something? I, as well have been watching the John Adams series and am fascinated by it. They have done an excellent job of telling the story NOT just making a Movie, otherwise it would be two hours long and on the "Big Screen" and sensationalized to the point of a Hollywood movie therefore negating the stories historical importance. Their (founding fathers) dissidence could have cost them their lives, instead, a great Republic of United States was formed. However, I would wager the same dissention today would land them in GITMO!! Sad, very, very, sad! Revolution, is likely to be the only way to change the status quo, I fear. Anyway, I highly recommend the J.A. series to those who subscribe to HBO or I'm sure it will be on DVD soon. Dan, Dan, Dan ? What can I say, I swore I'd not waste another keystroke on you but your obliviousness to the tones and implications of your posts once again draws me to virtually smack you on the back of the head! (See, I am an American too! ;) ) A multiple tour Vet made a flippant remark 'aboot' moving to Canada ... so freaking what!!!! I am Positive he/she did not need the patronizing "America is Great" speech. As well, yet again, you went to the end of your chain barking any and every insult you could think of because someone dare question "America". Dude, If you want to 'wave a flag' on a forum where everyone goosesteps to "your" red, white, and blue skewed view, I am sure you can find one out there! Should not be to hard to find one, just Google Republicans, GOP, BUSH, corporate corruption, Hate, ignorance, unjustifiable and unprovoked attack on a sovereign Nation, illegal war, unconstitutional striping away of American's rights, juvenile name calling, etc, etc, etc ... Good luck with all that. However, until you find such a site, realize that this is an INTERNATIONAL forum and we (America) are not to godamned popular right now in the eyes of the rest of the world, and with good cause. You, proving them right, is NOT helping us to rebuild our Nation's stature and RESPECTED "superpower" leadership role, that we had held for so long, in and on a world/planet that belongs to us ALL. We are all one race ? Human. Grow up man ... BTW: You making the offer to pay for ANY American to move to Canada that wants to? 'Cause it's a beautiful Country and I've considered moving there myself! Especially after Bush became President for a SECOND term!!! O ... mu ... GAWD!!! THAT in and of itself is reason to question WTF is wrong with America! So, should I start itemizing the costs of my move to Canada and just send you the bill? Have a nice day! :)

RFink
RFink

In the grand scheme of things what is a country? When we die, St. Peter is not going to ask "What country did you come from?" He doesn't care. It doesn't matter. A country is a spot on a map ran by its own government. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I just happened to be born in this one. Some countries have their own culture others don't. Some countries are better to live in than others. There was a time when the US was top dog. I hate to say but those days are gone. When you're top dog the rest of the world is out to get you. Did the rest of the world beat us at this game? No, we defeated ourselves. Sure, we led the world in technology but we also lead the world in PC (Political Correctness). PC made us ashamed to excel or to be the best because we might offend someone along the way. Winning is discouraged because the losers might feel bad. PC corrupted this country and it's spreading like a cancer. Attitude comes before achievement and as long as the US has the PC attitude it's doomed to fail. It's just a matter of time and it's already happening. We have a government that creates problems just so it can create departments and commissions to "solve" them. It does everything in its power to make the population dependent on it. Right now this country is in the "bread and circuses" phase of the Roman Empire. Throw the people crumbs and they will vote for you. The Democrats were the master of this strategy but now the Republicans are playing along as well. Does this mean I hate the US? No, far from it. I'm just taking the emotional baggage out of the equation.

MallardtooXX
MallardtooXX

You guys have those big sprinkler key looking things the cops carry. i learned in toronto aboot those, I think I would rather be shot actually. -duck

MallardtooXX
MallardtooXX

We can militarily force you to use the word "The" instead of teh... -duck

DanLM
DanLM

I've reread bb.s post 3 times, and still think he said he would rather live in canada. It has to do with the last question where I made that observation... Ie: Go canada. Not the previous content. I read that last sentence as he would rather be in canada then the United States. Is there a sporting event going on that I have no idea about? Dan edited to add: Jesus, I should start drinking again. Maybe I could understand wtf people are saying better.

JamesRL
JamesRL

My country like it or leave it strikes me as a bit harsh. I'm sure all of us, from all countries, have things we like about our country and things we don't like. It isn't unpatriotic to admit that there are aspects of our countries we don't like. Why have freedom of speech if you don't believe in the right to dissent. I think it takes more courage to speak out than to to sit silently. And I agree with your point about revolution. I've been watching the excellent mini series on John Adams. He was a disagreeable man, but effective. If your founding fathers had all been "loyal" to the crown and not dissented, you would be still have a Queen (at least on paper). The founding fathers chose to disagree and forged a country. I don't necessarily agree with yellow's joke, but does he not have the right to make it? And calling him an a'hole and telling him to frack off, thats just childish crap. Disagree with him? Tell him why. James

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

YEah I know that wasn't your point, but seeing as you brought it up, I had NO interest in going after the guy either. Either his hand posing as a gun in a raised pocket or he actually had a gun, either way I simply dropped him like alead fart and kept on going down the road. I don't think he actually had a gun (just pretended he did), most Canadians don't use guns for crimes, no need to.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Okay, after reading the posts I understand that you must have been joking, but there are people who actually believe such tripe, you need to be careful who you egg on, some Americans will actually take you seriously. America leads the world in absolutely NOTHING except military size and munitions. You reply on teh rest of teh world to feed you, put gas in your cars, power your cities, heat your homes, give you the materials to BUILD your homes, put money into yuor corporations and build your infrastructure etc. America is like a needy child to teh rest of the world, one with a big mouth who is always gettign into trouble and dragging others in with it. As for technology, North America is so far behind Europe it isn't funny. It's like we live in the dark ages in comparison. Unless you are one of those guys who still think American inventors actually invented things and didn't just capitalize on patents others could not afford to develop of course. Get out of the house once in a while, look outside your borders, there's a whole world succeeding without America. Europe has more advanced cellular networks, faster data networks(by a MILE!)and a completely deregulated infrastructure that actually works because it was thought out before cowtowing to the corporations that use it. America sucks hind teet in the global struggle, don't be fooled into thinking otherwise, especially by your president! Electing him was proof in itself that a great deal Americans don't have a clue what they are doing. America leads the way in technology....LOL, now THAT was ripe! :D

The Scummy One
The Scummy One

ok, as for the sheer aggression, what is the problem. If someone, or a group of people are stealing your stuff, destroying your property, you do not feel it to be validated to do something about it? Yes, if I had a shotgun, I would likely use it. First for attention, then, if it did not help, I would likely blow someone (or multiples) away. However I mostly agree with your point about BB. I was going to post something earlier, started writing it up, then backed out. Your answer is more appropriate

DanLM
DanLM

You know, I have been guilty of telling someone if they don't like this country to move out... That really isn't the answer, the answer for people that don't agree is to vote for change. Thats what this country is all about. But when some moron roots for another country over this one, no matter how good that country is. And I think Canada is a great country. Screw him, lets buy him the first ticket out. Dan

PSer
PSer

"but an a-hole?, hmmm, quite possibly...." As a fellow a$$hole, perhaps I can help. "i was astounded by the sheer aggression displayed in many posts re. this matter. i can't quite understand how God, or guns, could be relevant to a story about people stealing things" As was I, and "they" do tend to come out of the woodwork at times! "for all who did not quite grasp the intended meaning of my comment" I think if you had posted your comments under the OP's post instead of "two down", it might have been a little better received. Maybe not ? but for future reference. "this site is, i believe, directed towards the better educated , capable of MORE than the usual mindless blather and knee-jerk reactions of most internet sights and tabloid press stories.....perhaps i was wrong ?" Yes and no. It takes all kinds my friend, stick around and have some fun! As for BB's post, really guys???? This is a Vet who fought for his/her country and you question his/her loyalty and Patriotism because of his/her comments of dissention (I do believe this country was founded on a certain level of dissension!) concerning the State of our Country (you know, the one HE/SHE fought for)?!?!?!? You guys just helped validate ... nothing more. BTW: They both have valid points and I hope they stick around for me to either agree or disagree with! That's kinda what this whole "disscussion" thing is about, eh? As far as, "sending people away" (Cuba, Iran)because they have a different point of view ? doesn't sound to "American" to me ? or does it?!?!?!

DanLM
DanLM

Other wise why don't you open your eyes to what is great around you. There are many great things about america. This nation is very diverse due to it's makeup of different cultures, ethnic groups, relgious backgrounds, and the personalities that come with it. This is what makes America great. it brings problems but it also brings greatness. You like Canada so much? Move there... Hell, I'll start the colection for moving expenses. I can't stand aholes like you... Your degrading attitude of this nation is what brings it down. What may be good to some people is never good enough to people like you. Actually BB... How about I just send you the money to get the fk out now. Whats the politically correct term I am looking for here? Ahh yes, D1ck Head Dan Edited to add... Wait, I like the nation of Canada... I wouldn't want to submit them to aholes like you. How about we ship your stupid a$$ to Cuba... There you can be the total anti american ahole you are.

Locrian_Lyric
Locrian_Lyric

Bpellet sure doesn't post like one. and certainly not like a minnesotan.

BBPellet
BBPellet

I fully agree with Yellow911, he may not be an american...but he has the US pegged to a tee! First off I am an american 100%, I've fought for this country( Desert Storm and Operation Freedom!) , but as an american society we are social and moral IDIOTS! The whole country is going to hell in a handbasket and we are the ONLY ones to BLAME! You see it everyday, by the DUMBARSE things we do to other americans. RARELY is the same crap reported in other countries. Our american society feeds off of the negative in all that we do! American Society needs a serious cleanup! Enough said...go CANADA! :)

DanLM
DanLM

That is exactly like me saying that all ausie's do nothing but wrestle aligators and live in a shack. Even though your anti american rant pissed me right off. I didn't. I know better, and I didn't. Would have been nice if you shown the same inteligence about americans. Chuckle, or should I just get my gun and have us settle this right now? Dan

yellow911
yellow911

larrie, please see my reply to danLM.....oh, by the way, most of down here in our second-world country (nicely put, by the way, ha ha) are rather proud of our some-what naughty ancestors, you know....it's probably why we can laugh at ourselves, i guess....

yellow911
yellow911

please see my reply to danLM....and no, it doesn't make me feel better....why would it ? ( errr, yes, of course we have our share of the lame-brained, as does every culture, i imagine...)

yellow911
yellow911

twice, as a matter of fact.....i think some of you missed the point of my post.... tree-hugger, numb-nuts, anti-american ?.....well, no, actually, to THOSE...but an a-hole?, hmmm, quite possibly.... for all who did not quite grasp the intended meaning of my comment, and rose up in patriotic rage, here is the explanation;... i was astounded by the sheer aggression displayed in many posts re. this matter. i can't quite understand how God, or guns, could be relevant to a story about people stealing things. this site is, i believe, directed towards the better educated , capable of MORE than the usual mindless blather and knee-jerk reactions of most internet sights and tabloid press stories.....perhaps i was wrong ?

DanLM
DanLM

If not, shut up. I have... I know what anger comes from it. But, you sound like some liberal tree hugging ahole that could care less about people losing their personal property. People in YOUR house. Going through your personal property. Rapeing your privacy? And you know what you anti american num nuts. I never got back my stuff. Want to bet this person wont either. Again, do you even give care? I never wanted to shoot anyone when I was robbed. But it sure as hell crossed my mind to have them hurt and hurt badly. Common sense pervailed.. So yellow, answer the question if you got the balls. You ever been robbed? Dan

larrie_jr
larrie_jr

C'MON!!! This is not isolated to America! The Internet extends EVEN TO YOUR 2nd world country, and scams come from even 3rd world countries... It's just like in the movie Independence Day, when the U.K. soldiers state "well, it's about bloddy time they came up with a plan" America leads the way in technology, all the way from electricity to the invent of the computer AND the Internet (Thank you Al Gore)

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

In Sean's post he says he cannot beleive this, in mine, I agree and mentioned calling the police. And you say to take a hard look at ourselves????????? just looking to slam us americans? Ok, I admit there are stupid people in this country -- quite a few actually. Does that make you feel better? Is there no-one on your floating rock stupid?

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