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Humanitarians beware: Dog euthanasia Web site


If you're a dog lover, you will both hate and love the Web site Dogsindanger.com. Why? This site was created to help find homes for dogs who are on the waiting list to be euthanized. See the Reuters' article: "New Web site: Adopt this dog or he will die."

Pros: This is a great site because it appeals to people's emotions and helps foster dogs faster than if people weren't aware of the animals' imminent threat of death. One of the tabs on the site is labeled Success Stories, and you can quickly glance through pictures of the dogs who were adopted before their e-date (that's e for euthanized, in this case).

Cons: This is a horrible site because it appeals to people's emotions and makes you feel like absolute scum for not being able to adopt every single dog on the site and save them from the imminent threat of death. One of the tabs on the site is labeled In Memoriam, and you can quickly glance through pictures of the dogs who were euthanized... no one wanted them, they weren't saved, and now don't you feel absolutely terrible that you didn't act sooner?!

Perhaps it's my fascination with the morbid that kept me on the site longer than I would have stayed otherwise. I conducted several dog searches, typing in various zip codes for all breeds of dogs at the widest radius available (500 miles). From the results page, you can see pictures of the dogs who are waiting to be euthanized. In fact, you can see the euthanized date, how many days they have left to live, and why they are being euthanized (not enough space in kennels being the leading factor).

After completely saturating my sensibilities, and feeling a combination of sadness and guilt, I decided I'd had enough of Dogsindanger.com. That was when I noticed the ticker at the top left of the Web site, which indicated that 130 dogs had been euthanized since I'd been reading. If you have tougher skin than me, stop by the Web site and see for yourself... maybe you could even find a dog to adopt while you're there.

Here's an image gallery of Dogsindanger.com for those of you who want a sneak peek without actually going to the site.

Would you consider adopting a dog from Dogsindanger.com?

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Sonja Thompson has worked for TechRepublic since October of 1999. She is currently a Senior Editor and the host of the Smartphones and Tablets blogs.

51 comments
awilde1
awilde1

I need help. I ahve a 14 yr. old sweetheart of a golden/lab mix. He was my dad's adored dog until I lost my dad one year ago to date. I cannot longer keep him and I cannot kill him. My family won;t take him and theyall say to have him euthanized. He is sweet and all he wants is hugs. Is there anyone who can help?

Jaqui
Jaqui

Like my friend's dog Kelly earlier this year. She had multiple strokes overnight and was completely brain dead before morning. having her put down was the most humane thing to do. I had to calm her after one stroke / seizure, she didn't know where she was, couldn't see or hear anything, and was spweing from both ends in her panic. less than 8 hours later she was being taken to the vets.

JamesRL
JamesRL

I will come clean, even if I risk my reputation here. I had a job with the local Humane society in my teens. I grew up in the country, worked with all kinds of animals. I knew some of the animals I have eaten. I got a job taking care of the animals, feeding and cleaning kennels at the humane society on the weekends. Part of the job that I was not told about was euthanising cats. Dogs were done by vets with needles. I had no problem with this conceptually. Better to euthanise than to damn them to an overcrowded stressful life in a shelter, or worse a life in the wilds fending for themsleves. I did euthanize a batch of cats. Once. After I finished throwing up, I wrote my resignation. Not that I objected to the practise, just that I didn't want to do it. I had no such compunction about "food" animals like fowl, pigs or cattle. But cats..... James

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

There was a lot of publicity in my local paper recently about the "horrible conditions" that 89 dogs in the local animal shelter were living in, and lots of prominent citizens started: 1. pleading for us to adopt these animals. 2. Demanding that more tax money be spent to upgrade the facilities. Now, I personally know over a dozen (and I suspect the number is over 100) children in and near our community who are living in [b]worse[/b] conditions than those dogs and I wondered: Why isn't the local paper giving [b]this[/b] front page coverage for a week? and why aren't the prominent citizens pleading for something to be done for these children? It's just my pet peeve... every time I see a boo-hoo article about animals, I have to wonder if there's anyone around who still thinks [b]people[/b] are important.

Tig2
Tig2

This site does little to educate owners. I live in a 2 BR townhouse with no yard. I live with a senior cat, a middle aged cat and a young cat (Still a kitten until April- under two). I work and commute a 60 hour week that is about to get worse, my partner, a 50 hour week. We are RESPONSIBLE pet owners. To introduce new animals to our already stressed family would be HIGHLY irresponsible. I personally cannot wear the weight of the world on only my shoulders. And I resent the guilt game. Fortunately, my mother got frequent flyer miles on her guilt trips so I am somewhat immune. Regardless, using guilt as a trigger only insures that more, not fewer, animals are destroyed. Choose your pets responsibly. Do only what you KNOW you can do. And support your local no-kill shelter. Until we consistently practise responsible pet ownership, sites like this will flourish. Spay or neuter your pet today!

Sonja Thompson
Sonja Thompson

Do you think Dogsindanger.com will make a dent in the current euthanasia stats? Would you consider adopting a dog from Dogsindanger.com?

likafox
likafox

I urge you to go to petfinder.com and look up a no kill rescue in your area of Austin, TX one that works with senior dogs and if you find no one contact me.

likafox
likafox

But these shelters are putting down pups ranging in age from 8 weeks to 4 months not the same as a dog with an illness being relieved from misery.

btljooz
btljooz

to [i]euthanize[/i] them SIMPLY because they have [b]NO HOME[/b] is something TOTALLY DIFFERENT altogether! You are talking about a situation where the animal has NO chance at regaining a contented life(style). The website is calling to attention of the public eye that [b]perfectly [u]HEALTHY[/u][/b] animals are being KILLED [b][u]simply[/u] because they have [u]NO HOME[/u]!!![/b] This is yet [b]another[/b] place where society has its ideals somewhat skewed. We euthanize animals to [i]put them out of their misery[/i] when a HUMAN in the [b]EXACT [u]SAME[/u][/b] condition is forced to "[i]cowboy up[/i]" and [b]suffer[/b] until they [u]die[/u]. And even then, hospitals do everything they can to put off the inevitable!

jdclyde
jdclyde

When a pig or cow is killed, it is for a reason, to feed people. Cats lived in the wild just fine without being pets, and if turned out into the wild it is just us stepping back out of our interferance of the cycle of life. People wonder why certain species will over populate, when it is us that have removed all of their natural predators. Nature is not gentle or nice.

Tig2
Tig2

I appreciate not only what you had to do but the reason you couldn't do it again. Spay or neuter your pets. Period.

likafox
likafox

If you personally know of 100 children in your local area in need my question to you is...What are you doing about it? Are you just a sideliner who likes to complain? Put your money where your mouth is because you are either part of the problem or part of the solution and the best part is you even get to chose which side your on. People by the way make choices about their lives and the children they chose to bring into the world. Animals don't get the benefit of making choices like humans do. The problem too is no one wants to be accountable. Not even for themselves anymore. Our society enables victims. You know people like you and what you wrote makes excuses to enable people to be victims but not of their choices though. Don't you know it's my fault or your fault they had more children then they could afford. Maybe we should spay/neuter people too.

DanLM
DanLM

people go to jail quicker for mistreament of animals then they do with mistreament of humans. People need to get their priorties straight. No animal is more important then a human being. And I don't care if everyone hates my guts here for saying that. get your priorities straight. Take care of people first, then worry about the animals. Dan

btljooz
btljooz

►A. If you know of children that are living in squalid conditions and you haven't called the Department of Family Services about it (uh...you [u]DO[/u] know what DFS is???) or even the same media that you diss for calling the animal's situations to attention, [b]then you are [u]no better[/u][/b] than people who get pets, neglect them (the lack of spaying/neutering included) and then allowing them to wind up in [i]shelters[/i] (or WORSE) that are so [u]over crowded[/u] they MUST kill these poor creatures [b][u]simply[/u] because they have [u]no home[/u]!!!!![/b] ►B. Do they [u]kill[/u] "[b][i]people[/i][/b]" [b][u]simply[/u] because they have [u]no home[/u]?????[/b] ►C. What about people who just keep pumping out kids and neglecting them? Why not [b]FORCE[/b] [u]them[/u] to be sterilized? [b][u]THERE'S[/u][/b] a [i]novel[/i] idea!!!!! ;) Why not kill all those people including the elderly and childern who have no homes, [u]simply[/u] [b]BECAUSE[/b] they [b]HAVE NO HOMES?????????[/b] EH ?:| :| Well, it's the exact same thing with animals ...AKA God's Creatures, too!!! ;) ►Yes, a [b]RESPONSIBLE[/b] pet owner has their pets spayed/neutered. What I want to see is IRRESPONSIBLE "[b]people[/b]" that have PROVEN that they have no [i]right[/i] to BREED to be spayed/neutered as well!!!!! How do you like [i]THEM[/i] apples??? EH? ?:| Why is it that animals are of 'less value' than "[b]people[/b]"????????? After all, are we not [b][u]ALL[/u][/b] God's Creatures? Yes, the Bible gave Homo Sapiens [b][u]STEWARDSHIP[/u][/b] [i]over[/i] the Earth and its animals. I suggest one who doesn't undersand the [b]true[/b] meaning of the word 'stewarship' use this marvelous medium we call the Internet to look up that meaning! :| Edited due to a Syntax ErrorS.

alex
alex

Ghandi's prophetic statement, "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated," was our companion while we developed the concept of DogsInDanger. Ever ask yourself why one can watch a hundred soldiers get shot in a war movie, but be emotionally stricken when seeing those same soldiers shoot a small puppy in that same film? We call them our "best friends", we put them in places we call "shelters", then we kill them and call it "putting them to sleep". Our actions speak volumes of our society and our species - in essence "do evil, recognize the evil, pretend good" works for us, keeps us a functioning entity...going to work, raising our children, taking care of our parents etc, etc. With DogsInDanger.com our goals were twofold, 1) save these wonderful creatures, and 2) shine a mirror on ourselves. In that reflection, I believe exists the path to our advancement as a civilization, redemption as a species and understanding as a thinking being. When one looks into the eyes of a dog on our memorial wall, what we feel will tell more about ourselves than about the dead dog. That moment I hope will become a moral compass, as it did for me, in whichever direction it points. The dogs that died yesterday in our shelters, without a sound nor whisper, now have a voice through DogsInDanger.com, asking us to question, ponder and maybe act. Alex Aliksanyan President, The Buddy Fund alex@thebuddyfund.org www.dogsindanger.com

rhomp2002
rhomp2002

I would love to adopt a dog. I, however, have a landlord with 4 kids that he is teaching to be afraid of all dogs and he does not permit any kind of pet at all. I live in NYC and if you are renting, try to find an apartment or a house where you can have a pet of any kind. The only one I found around here allows you to have any dog up to 15 lb. I love Labs and Pointers and Shepherds. You can forget about it. When I first moved here in 1972, I was lucky to find a landlady who actually preferred people who had pets. She thought they made better neighbors and she was a big supporter of animal shelters who took good care of pets. Unfortunately I have not had any luck finding another one like that since.

JonathanPDX
JonathanPDX

Perhaps the euthanasia of animals and how well the public tolerates it is simply a test for the next step in the care of humans. Far fetched? Why? I wouldn't put anything past the people who pull the strings. So many follow like sheep and accept what they're handed because it keeps their TV on and beer flowing. Bread and Circuses. Worked for the Romans and our society is not that much different. I'm against killing any animal simply for expediency. There's simply no excuse for mankind's poor track record with animals.

Jaqui
Jaqui

I advocate for euthanasia for almost everything. My motto: Kill em all, the Gods will know their own. I've had a number of friends who have suffered and died because of homelessness and drug addiction [ they tend to go hand in hand a lot ] instead of posting rants in a discussion, put a campaign together to change the way society deals with homelessness, to end the problem. You'll feel better by doing so.

Tig2
Tig2

I am understanding that homelessness is a strong chord in you. I get it. Been there, done that. I know that you have been hurting for a very long time. How in the world can we help? I just feel at such a loss here. At the worst of my life, I was never in Hell, Misery. I don't know how to reach out to you in any meaningful way. I want to try and haven't got the first clue how to. Sometimes people just see through your pain and want to help. But you need to help me too. I haven't a clue what to do but I have seen your pain over and over for some time. Open a thread. Or peer me. I just don't know what to do to help. But I am willing to try.

JamesRL
JamesRL

Cats can in the right circumstance live happily in the wild. Living in the country we often were adopted by wild cats. But not every area can support the number of strays and cats can and do starve as a result. The results with dogs can be much much worse. I've had the experience of dealing with feral dogs, dogs that have lived most of their life in the wild and hunting in packs. They don't avoid humans, and in my experience are more likely to attack domestic animals than wolves. I've hunted them after they killed a neighbour's horse for fun - they didn't eat the kill, they just made it. James

likafox
likafox

"Take care of people first, then worry about the animals." You take care of them if you're so concerned about them. I have no kids by choice. Why should I take care of your kids? I didn't chose to make them. You did. Talk with some of these people living on welfare. Many don't want a way out. Their kids even know and understand how to work the system by the time they are teenagers making their own babies. So let's just keep on enabling them. Let's face it sex feels good for everybody, but be accountable and take precautions because if you mess up I ain't raising your kids for you. Talk about a guilt trip. Both kids and animals are innocent. Thank GOD there are people to defend one or the other or both. So as far as I'm concerned, my priorities are sooooooo straight.

btljooz
btljooz

We are [b]ALL[/b] [u]God's Creatures[/u]! Please READ the Discussion that Tony's "Priorities" post is generating? Thank you! :) BTW: you may try reading some of my other posts in here, too. ;)

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

DFS for YEARS over this (and every time I do, there is at least one more child in the picture!). I spent thousands of my own money taking them to court to get them to do their damned jobs! They remove the kids temporarily, make the mother attend two counseling sessions, then put them right back in the filth and violence. I was even told by a deputy sheriff when I commented that I wouldn't let a dog live in that house, he said "Well, if there was a dog there I could remove it, but I don't have the authority to remove the children unless I can see an immediate threat." DFS doesn't really want to fix anything. Where would their future employment opportunities be if they did? They only do something when you can prove that their paperwork is wrong (after all, it's all about the paperwork), or when failing to do something will make them look like fools. The older children tried reporting to school officials, but DFS would go and ask the parents "Are you doing this?", they'd reply, "No, of course not." and that would be the extent of the "investigation". Of course the parents would know the children talked, would beat them for it, and soon they learned to keep their mouths shut. Any family member who reported anything was deemed to be a troublemaker who simply wanted to take their kids away from them. Finally, this last time, they did something... but it took a skull fracturing, brain damaging, blindness causing beating to do it. Now I have 6 children aged 2 to 9 in my home... children who, except for the two oldest who got to go to school, had spent most of their lives locked up in a single room. They're little more than animals in their behavior, but we're working with them. Hopefully they can be saved. [i]"Typical Mid-West Mentality"[/i] I think you assume too much from a single post.

btljooz
btljooz

what this [i]controversial[/i]site IS trying to achieve in its own unique way. I, personally, think it's a GREAT idea to show morons that think pets/animals are "disposable", the consequences of their [b]IRRESPONSIBILITY!!!!![/b] In it's [i]controversy[/i], it's getting people TALKING! Talking people can communicate. Communicating people can TEACH!!! I'm [b]ALL [u]FOR[/u][/b] it!!!

btljooz
btljooz

As for me trying to put together a "campaign" such as you suggest; I simply no longer have the re$ource$ to do that and the chances of me regaining them are [u]looking[/u] quite slim at this point. I'm doing [i]good[/i] to take care of me and my two cats. Who knows what will pop up for me in the future. eh? ?:| So "ranting" on msg board[b]s[/b] is currently only my [b]basic[/b] way of voicing my [i]views[/i]. ...at least for [u]NOW[/u]! ;) And yes, I'm a very stubborn and STRONG willed personality. :8} I've [b]HAD[/b] to be just to survive and take care of my most basic responsibilities to myself and my two cats ...whom I'll NEVER put in a bad situation in any way! Like I said, who knows what will pop for me in the future?

btljooz
btljooz

ONE person can NOT save the WHOLE World! What ONE person [u]can[/u] do is pick A part of it (albeit small) and work on THAT! You have chosen Breast Cancer. Tony has chosen Abused/Neglected Children. I have chosen Animal Related Cause[b]s[/b]. We [b]ALL[/b] fit together in this [i]Web of Life[/i]. The Native Americans view the World as ONE Being that is interwoven. (Yes, I've studied them and their Ideologies extensively and am still learning.) I agree, wholeheartedly, with that view! That said, we are a [i]UNIFIED[/i] World of individuals... the politics and [i]religion(s)[/i] of Homo Sapiens put ASIDE!...animals and plants included that make up this interwoven Web of Life. We [b]each[/b] have our [u]Place[/u] and [b][u]Purpose[/u][/b] in this World. This is why at least three of us here have each exposed our own chosen "fight" and fight it in our own ways within the scope of each of our abilities. ;) In doing so we all [i]win[/i] just a tiny bit even if we don't SEE it! E.G.: Helping Tony with ideas he may be able to use to further his chosen "fight". In these forums and message boards and other social networks we all can exchange ideas that may help the next one fight their chosen "battle". Another i.e. is the URL you've posted in your Profile here. It's all GOOD! :)

btljooz
btljooz

>"................ ............... ......... ►I think there are many PEOPLE out there that should be spey/neutered!"

jdclyde
jdclyde

It is to the point in Michigan that we care more about stupid animals than we do about people. If the DNR ( Department of Natural Resources ) SUSPECTS that you have a poached deer in your freezer, they can walk in and take it, and you, away. If a COP SUSPECTS that you have a dismembered corps in your freezer, they have to get a search warrant, stating what they are looking for and where they will be looking. If you get caught poaching, the DNR will take ALL the gear you have with you, including your vehicle. If you get caught in a crime against "only" a human, after you get released, you get everything back (except for a firearm). I think there are many PEOPLE out there that should be spey/neutered!

btljooz
btljooz

And in SOME states the ASPCA will do it for FREE! And, the largest group of [i]pet owners[/i] that turn into neglectors and abusers don't even KNOW that these services ARE available! Have you (or anyone else on this board) ever watched "Animal Precinct" or "Animal Cops" on the Animal Planet Channel??? If not, you NEED to just to see the GROSS [b][u]IGNORANCE[/u][/b] that people display!!! THAT is why the dogsindanger website is in existance to begin with! Like was brought up before: [b]EDUCATION is [u]key[/u]!!![/b]

jdclyde
jdclyde

THAT isn't why...... :p :x [i]have I mentioned that your a brat? :D

Tig2
Tig2

Gee, if I had only known you were fixed... Or... broken as the case may be. Is this why you love show tunes??? :x

jdclyde
jdclyde

Here in Michigan, the Humane Society will assist in the costs of "fixing" your pets. I still wonder how taking something that works just fine and BREAKING it so it doesn't work anymore, is called "FIXING"? Oh, and I am FIRMLY against people that call a "fixed" animal an "it". Taking away the ability to reproduce does NOT change the gender or DEgenger something! [i](did I mention I got fixed?) B-)

btljooz
btljooz

I understand that sometimes to be kind, one must be cruel. However, the cruelty of having to kill domestic animals that were once PETS is just as bad as people who continue to get abortions instead of simply getting sterilized. Now, this is another tempest in the teapot: I SUPPORT a woman's Right to Choose, but I do NOT support her decisions to make the same mistakes over and over. It's the same with animal shelters. I agree that there should be places for animals to go when during a transition period to a NEW HOME when that is absolutely NECESSARY! I do NOT support the idea that PETS are "disposable". And, yes, I tend to be verbose. However, on certain subjects, I can't help it. :8} Being the animal lover that I am, who has done MANY rescues ON MY OWN, with MY OWN resources, THIS is ONE of those few subjects that get me into that verbosity mode. :8} EDIT: BTW - I have two four-year old cats. BOTH of which are rescues. ;) EDIT #2: Corrected the use of a term in the wrong manner.

Tig2
Tig2

I wish I could reach out and give you the hug you need. This is the best I can do. Sometimes, it is important to not overwhelm with detail. It clouds the message and makes it less important. I'm a kitty lover. I work with no kill shelters in and out of my area to try and combat the over-breeding. I don't want to see feral animals. Cats want a lap and pets. Dogs want a place to call home. We need to be responsible in our relationships with animals. Sometimes that responsibility is to kill them. I go north to kill ruffed grouse. If I don't do that, the DNR will. I know what happens to the birds I shoot. I eat them. I use their feathers to make cat toys. There is little to nothing left when I am done. If I don't hunt? The DNR will hire sharpshooters on my tax money to kill the excess birds and throw them away. A major part of our infrastructure is lying in the Mississippi River. I would rather see my tax dollar go to re-building it. I understand and value your passion. Please, don't let your message go to waste. Consider your audience and verbalize accordingly.

btljooz
btljooz

NO, Nature is NOT kind at times! But we are talking about DOMESTIC animals here. NOT animals that have NEVER been domesticated. As for DOMESTIC cats being able to survive in the wild; yes, they can revert [i]back[/i] to using their instincts to be able to survive. This is but ONE of the PLETHORA of reasons why spaying/neutering is so extremely important! Another of those reasons is that DOMESTICATED animals have had their immunity to certain diseases and a LOT of parasites bred [u]out[/u] of them by the thousands of years of the domestication process. Have YOU ever watched a domestic cat die from being infested with tapeworms because it was allowed to be an 'out-door' cat that killed and ate birds and other wildlife??? What happens in this particular instance is that the cat is, literally, slowly eaten alive from the inside out by the tapeworms!!!...until it dies an extremly prolonged painful death. Pretty picture isn't it? [b]NOT!!![/b] And, yes, feral dogs are MUCH meaner than [b]true[/b] wild canines, e.g.: coyotes, wolves, foxes and such [b]BECAUSE[/b] they've had their instinctual fear of humans bred OUT of them during the thousands of years of domestication processes that humans imposed upon them. AGAIN, the spay/neuter thing comes into mind!!! ;) It's simply called [b][u]RESPOSIBILITY[/u]!!!!![/b] yep, edited: Show me an absolutely [u]PERFECT[/u] typist and I'll show you a POSER!!! ;\ ]:) ;\

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

If you came across a burning building and saw a child and a puppy inside, which would you try to save first?

btljooz
btljooz

I just hope that I wasn't redundant in what you've already tried. I sincerely hope that you can actually GET somewhere with this. :)

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

You've helped me take away a different view... I should be grateful for the people who take issue with things that I deem less important... because if their issue is the most pressing in their area, then perhaps the world isn't as bad off as it sometimes seems. That bolsters my confidence. Thank you!

btljooz
btljooz

You are [u]HELPING[/u] these kids ...and YOU are the ones being treated like [b]CRIMINALS??? [u]THAT[/u] IS JUST PLAIN [u]WRONG[/u]!!![/b] X-( ...One one hand I can see (TO A [u]POINT[/u] ) them not wanting these kids put in the home of someone with a KNOWN criminal record, etc. [b]BUT[/b] to put y'all through all of THAT and let their parents off with what amounts to simple slaps on their wrists??? ...... [b][u]THAT[/u] IS JUST PLAIN [u]WRONG[/u]!!![/b] X-( I hope and pray for you and your family (extended included) that you can find the strength and courage to keep up your fight! [u]IF[/u] the [i]news media[/i] actually does run into [i]privacy issues[/i] (once this guy IS in jail, he HAS no more [i]privacy[/i]! ;) ) maybe you can get them on that then. ;\ :D ;\ OR maybe try to get some direct contact with grass roots level [i]politcos[/i] all the way UP, if you have to, to call this situation to their attention. It would be extremely helpful if you could get your community involved so as to take some of the strain off of you, personally. [i]Politicos[/i] find it quite EASY to IGNORE just [u][i]one person[/i][/u], but if they get an agry mob with some [b]SIZE[/b] coming their way they have to, at LEAST, look in that direction to see what's coming at them before they continue to chew their cud, $$$grazing$$$ as they go. :| It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. I just hope that you can squeak long enough to get that grease before you are forced to fall off! What the "[i]State[/i]" needs to understand is that not only are they doing an injustice to all the kids they're effectively ignoring is that injustices are being made to those, like yourself that have the balls that you do, that step in and DO something YOURSELVES about the problems of the abused kids. I gotta agree, this whole situation of yours is completely [b][u]INSANE[/u]!!!!![/b] EDITED to correct my usual [u/]...ptoys...[u]TYPOS[/u]!... and also to add this: The Animal Website that started this thread is doing its job as well as another. It's helping animals and now may be instrumental in helping abused children as well. There is a [b][u]CLUE[/u][/b], here! ;) If someone can get the attention of the very real plight of DOGS with a website like that, then why can't the same be done with situations like yours??? At very MINIMUM, you or someone in your community upon your behalf, [i]could[/i] conceivably, at LEAST, start a Group in Yahoo Groups, hi5.com and/or other social networks to get 'A' ball rolling. Once that ball is rolling and picking up steam then y'all could possibly take the bit in your teeth and RUN with it. ...Just like that website about the dogs! ;) Only YOUR run will be to even more citizens of your state as well as others in states with a similar disinterest and then to the Whale$ in [i]Political Office[/i]! B-)

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

I will. :) (We have an appointment to go to the sheriff's station tomorrow to be fingerprinted and pee-tested (sigh!))

Tig2
Tig2

Praying anyway. I know that you and your wonderful wife will come out on the other side. Till then, just ask for what you need. We will help. That is what we (TR) do.

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

You never know know when someone will think of something you hadn't thought of. Thanks

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

that child abuse and neglect are [b]crimes[/b] and that they should be investigated like any other crime... [b]by the police,[/b] and in all other ways go through the system like any other crime. [i]to get this out in the OPEN where people can see it and TALK about it.[/i] I've tried to get the media involved... but they run into privacy rights issues when they inquire. On another note, they came this morning to investigate my home and family situation for suitability for placement (We have them on a 30 day "safety plan" now. The placement will be for at least 6 months). My wife and I have to submit to fingerprinting, background checks, drug tests, etc. It would be comical if it weren't so sad... I mean, if they'd done these things to the [b]parents[/b] at the first report, things might be different today. [i]I gotta say that your state's laws in this matter TRUELY SUCK!!![/i] They're nearly non-existent. When talking to the [b]state[/b] DHS, we were told that the county head was pretty much in charge and they normally don't intervene unless there is evidence of misfeasance. That would be difficult when all they do is look at the paperwork... which is of course always right (I really don't think you'll ever see "Gee, I really screwed this one up." in the comment box of an official report, even though it happens quite a bit).

btljooz
btljooz

I pray for ALL families in crisis. Human as well as animal. Like I've stated before in these threads, we are [b][u]ALL[/u][/b] God's Creatures and Children, regardless of Species. I'm not, NOW, berating Tony for what he hasn't done. I'm simply throwing out an idea...one that, personally, [b]I[/b] [u]WOULD[/u] employ if in that particular situation. That's all.

Tig2
Tig2

For getting that Tony has been fighting hard. I understand that you don't have the full story. I know how heart breaking this is and how hard Tony has worked. Let's try to be as supportive as we possibly can be. He's a good man in a tough spot and trying his a$$ off. Our words of support should be many, our condemnation, few. I know that you are passionate. I just hope that you are willing to understand that Tony doesn't need to be berated about action he hasn't taken. He simply hasn't spoken about ALL he has been through here. Please, pull the compassion that I know you have out. Pray for support of this family.

btljooz
btljooz

I do owe you an apology (or at least a partial one, anyway). Had you given a brief synapsis of your situation and that [u]that[/u] is the reason you reacted to this article the way you did I definitely would have responded in a different way! Kudos to you for actually DOING something that most find too unpalitable to do. However, if the DFS in your area is THAT BAD, I'm affraid I'd be calling the News Media ...every day if necessary... to get this out in the OPEN where people can see it and TALK about it. EXACTLY the way the website about the dogs being killed is getting a problem out into the public eye so the public becomes MORE aware of it and starts to talk and act upon the problem. Your state definitely has some laws that need revamping, to say the least! I gotta say that your state's laws in this matter TRUELY SUCK!!! When this type of thing goes on in my state the kids are IMMEDIATELY yanked from the home until the investigation ...a LENGTHY one... is concluded. Most of the time they are not allowed back and if they are, they are watched like no tomarrow to make sure of what's going on in that home. If the slightest thing happens, they are yanked again, permenantly! And BOTH parents, if they are both involved such as in your case do TIME! ...Just the OPPOSITE of your state!

Tig2
Tig2

I understand the pain. I wish I could do more. You know how to reach me. Let me know how I can help. My prayers are with you and your family.

TonytheTiger
TonytheTiger

It's an adjustment and we're making it. Logistics mostly, moving stuff around to make room for the kids. Their grandmother will be taking the oldest two, as she lives in the school district where they go to school... less disruption that way. We'll be keeping the four youngest... twin 2 year olds (same age as my grand-daughter), a three and a four year old. We converted the dining room to a playroom, the family room (biggest room in the house) into the kids' bedroom, and we live right across the street from a small park. We're already starting to develop a schedule and at least the little ones are taking to it pretty well. The older ones will take more time but consistency will prevail. The dad is going to the big house this time. This time he done it in front of credible witnesses who couldn't be threatened into not testifying. The mother is going to have to have re-constructive surgery and a lot of therapy, both physical and mental, and while I care about her, she's going to have to find her own path. I think the best help I can be in that is to take care of her kids to take some of the stress off of her while she fixes herself. The kids are safe, that's the most important thing right now. The rest can be fixed with time and love. Thanks Tig. It helps when someone takes the time to tell you they care.

Tig2
Tig2

Are you okay? You're absolutely correct on this. We have to take responsibility for the children in need. Btljooz was way out of line jumping on you. I know that you are talking about a situation that has been breaking your heart for years. We can't equate dogs and cats to people. Let me know how I can help.