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Microsoft bows to pressure to extend Windows XP's stay

Microsoft has bowed to pressure from customers and will allow large manufacturers to continue selling PCs with Windows XP preloaded until June 30, 2008. This is an additional five months from the original January 31, 2008 date.

Microsoft has bowed to pressure from customers and will allow large manufacturers to continue selling PCs with Windows XP preloaded until June 30, 2008. This is an additional five months from the original January 31, 2008 date.

If you recall, we reported just last week on how Microsoft has softened its stance and has been quietly allowing PC makers to furnish a “downgrade” to Windows XP for customers who request it. Allowing PC makers to furnish a downgrade, or selling it with XP preloaded, reduces the hassle to system administrators. This is especially true for larger orders.

Microsoft now plans to keep XP on retail shelves even longer. In fact, computer makers in emerging markets will be allowed to build machines with Windows XP Starter Edition until June of 2010.

Excerpt from Microsoft extends Windows XP's stay on News.com:

Kutz [Kevin Kutz is a director in Microsoft's Windows Client unit] said Microsoft had seen similar demand patterns with past releases and noted that in the past, old operating systems remained available for around 18 months after the release of a new operating system.

"While Windows Vista sales are still going strong... we recognize there are some customers that need more time," Kutz said.

Any wagers that the June 30 date will be pushed back again?

About

Paul Mah is a writer and blogger who lives in Singapore, where he has worked for a number of years in various capacities within the IT industry. Paul enjoys tinkering with tech gadgets, smartphones, and networking devices.

44 comments
Cat139lyleb
Cat139lyleb

I HAVE WINDOWS XP AND WINDOWS VISTA INSTALLED MY COMPUTER BUT I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT BECAUSE VISTA DID BLOCKED ME TO REMOVE THE VISTA CAUSE I HAVE XP IN THERE 1 ST BOOT BUT VISTA IS IN OTHER HARD DRIVE BUT I TRY TO REMOVE VISTA BY IN WINDOWS XP AND THAT WINDOWS XP COULDN'T READ THAT HARD DRIVE I GUESS THAT VISTA WON'T LET ME REMOVE IT AND I HAD TO FORMAT ALL MY HARD DRIVE TO LET ME INSTALL MY WINDOWS XP AND I NEVER, NEVER INSTALL THE F**K WINDOWS VISTA AGAIN

Big Ole Jack
Big Ole Jack

Writing in ALL CAPS is the equivalent of shouting at us. Also, please phrase your sentences better because a lot of what you write makes no sense to us.

Cat139lyleb
Cat139lyleb

i hope you forgive... i have reason what happened to my PC that won't let me format hard drive which windows vista on it... and i had to use UBCD to get me out of loop (stuck with windows vista)...

Cat139lyleb
Cat139lyleb

HOW TO GET OUT OF LOOP... BURN CD FROM Ultimate Boot CD (http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/) BOOT INTO CD WARNING! THIS INFO TO HOW TO FORMAT AND OVERWRITE DATA THAT WILL NOT ABLE TO RECOVERY 1: GO TO "Hard Disk Wiping Tools" 2: YOUR CHOOSE: "Active@ KillDisk Free" Edition OR "Darik's Boot and Nuke" 3: FIND WHICH WINDOWS VISTA ON HARD DRIVE 4: THAT IT... YOU ARE FREE FROM LOOP

TravisFx
TravisFx

I know there's been plenty of commentary on this...but here's mine anyway. For pete's sake... XP is matured and its going away. I don't consider it old. Ok MS is stroking us and "giving" us some more time. gee thanks. This still pisses me off to no end as I'm sure others. Wouldn't it be great if... - MS did an overhaul of xp kernel, recompile it , etc. - release it, as XP Supreme ! Looks and feels same, but with real speed and security improvements. Go ahead and continue to sell vista whatever, but keep xp. Personally I like it, it works great for users and admins alike. Real shame to see it going, Real "sham" to see it replaced with that god-awful other.

om_Instance
om_Instance

But it will be hard to tell from my two posts here. While I've got Vista on two machines, my work and my secondary home, I've got XP on everything else (two laptops, my main workstation, even a machine I use for some basic server functions that sits in my basement). I think XP is a great OS. But people said the EXACT same thing you are. They said it when Windows 98 was released. They said it even more vocally when Windows XP was released. Major releases are a pain for everyone in the industry. And they're a boon for everyone in the industry, also. It's not a simple transition, no, but it's one that does have to take place from time to time. Thus, Microsoft still supporting XP for a time after Vista comes out. We'll be having this same discussion in another few years, where people are picketing the date that Vista loses support.

HAL 9000
HAL 9000

If you actually listen to M$ they have quite clearly said that Vista is the platform that they are going to develop on for at least the next 10 years. so in 2007 Vista gets released 2 years latter a major Service Pack gets released similar to XP SP2 and then at the 4 year period a New OS gets Released based on Vista. The idea being that there are no major developments made that cause software to be replaced early just to use the new OS it will be a Development of the Existing rather than a Radical New Product like Vista currently is. So if you believe M$ Plans they will be releasing Service Packs in the following years 2009 2013 2017 They will be releasing Developed OS based on Vista in the following years 2007, 2011, 2015. That is how new products should be brought about develop the existing product not make radical changes to an existing product and then have to start to cure all the problems from scratch again. M$ seems to feel that they have to constantly reinvent the wheel at every new release and import all the problems that they have long since curred into their New OS so it's more insecure than the one that it is replacing. Maybe they have good reasons for this like that have used such shoddy codding to produce the existing platform that they are unable to cure the problems that they incorporated into their current OS and need to Launch a fresh new attempt to solve that problems that are not possible to cure in the existing framework. While this is true for M$ products it isn't true for any other OS's that have been around since Mosses was a Boy with a Communal Disease only M$ feel the need to act this way and cause such massive disruptions to their customers. If any business that I support had rushed out and bought Vista when it first hit the streets in November 2006 they would have been bankrupt by Christmas. Personally I don't see how this is of any help to business who after all is said & done are the big buyers of this product and they are the ones who are M$ biggest customers. If they where all to go broke who would M$ then have a base to sell to? The home market while big doesn't drive the market and if it was that Customer Base that M$ was predominately selling to we would still have Windows 3.11 developed with it's inherent insecurity today. With M$ OS it seems that they take 10 steps forward and 20 back when they release a new OS and then require the Home Market to be Beta Testers till they work out the bugs that they have programed into their new offerings. But if you feel the need please remember to hold your breath and then when M$ release their next OS and have everyone complaining you can then start to breath again and say [b]I Told You So![/b] :^0 However if you where old enough to actually remember what was being said rather than look at what was written the complaints about 95 & XP where mainly to do with Minimum Requirements which increased the cost of the Hardware necessary to run the new Offerings Software. The fact that M$ broke their self imposed [b]Standards[/b] was more of a follow on of just how unsuitable it is to have a Monopoly who can dictate the terms that the customer has to deal with. The current need to massively increase System Resources to run the new M$ offering means that the hardware is more expensive to run the new offering than what the older one required to do the same job. Col

acl33d
acl33d

Windows 2000 and xp is fine with me, but for now I can only choose xp. Too bad, IT technology phased out as and when, it's a shame that certain things does not get to stay!

dan.jordan
dan.jordan

It does me no favors as a Windows admin when MS takes the tools I use out of their XP location and puts them somewhere else. They were fine where they were. There's no perfect approach to organizing tool locations so why change it if people have learned where to find them in XP? There's no benefit to doing that I can see other than to help make the OS look different enough to justify its existence.

LocoLobo
LocoLobo

They can add an OS to their MCSE. I agree with your comment. Although I felt the same when we upgraded our first NT workstation. The changes took a little getting used to.

armstrongb
armstrongb

I have seen the placement of tools for us SA's to use has changed and you are right, there appears to be no sense to the change. Obscuring tools that SA's and savvy end users need to manage their systems seems like a perverse joke. I hope Server2008 does not repeat the poor design decision in Vista. I bought a new Dell with Vista Ultimate for the home so I could get used to the new environment. Adding to the stable of Linux and XP boxes I have. Linux is the most stable and XP Pro has improved greatly since 2003. Vista locked up video until I got an update to my nVidia Geforce8600 card, it's been solid for about 2 weeks now with no video weirdness. Boot times, using a Duo Core 2+ GHz chipset and 2GB of RAM, on Vista are 3 to 5 times longer than on the XP using a single P4 2GHz and 1 GB of RAM. Mandriva Linux takes a few seconds longer than XP on an AMD 2600+ box with 512MB of RAM, so that's a push. Vista clearly needs lots of resources for Aero but that's not a compelling reason to upgrade. It's been 3 months with the new Vista box and I do not plan to put XP on it. My 5+ year old XP box still chugs along fine and I use that about 60% of the time since not all my apps have made the migration to Vista. Linux is for storage and torrents and I reboot once every 3 or 4 months. I use GIMP and Bluefish for web editing sometimes.

Tig2
Tig2

Thank you so much! :D

Big Ole Jack
Big Ole Jack

1. Mug coaster 2. Mini Frizbee 3. Shiny face for CD desk clock 4. Emergency survival mirror 5. Replacement wheels for toy wagons (may require some machining to fit on axle) 6. Self defense weapon (requires breaking CD in half and using as cutting instrument) 7. Rear view mirror ornament

LocoLobo
LocoLobo

Be careful with 2. We were playing with an extra disc 1 day, it hit a metal tank and shattered into shards. Can't you see archeologists 1000s of years from now cleaning those fragments from the shredder and carefully gluing them together and trying to figure out our culture from the pictures on the front?

zen71001
zen71001

As a long time user of both Windows PC's and Apple Mac's I can only assume Steve Jobs persuaded the Windows Developers to write Vista. Vista is the Best advert Apple ever had. So many of my friends have had such horrendous problems with Vista. Both them and my corporate clients are looking at my "its just works" Mac Book pro with envy .

Neil Higgins
Neil Higgins

Although a Ubuntu Linux user at home,I have to deal with Vista everyday at work,and XP of course.Extending the life-shelf of XP makes good business sence to Microsoft.Upset your core base,and they will look elsewhere.Plus with Vista Service Pack 1 due out in the first quarter of next year? it should sort out a lot of the moans and groans that customers have been complaining about.Personally,they should have left XP alone,and just added Service Packs periodically,if required.Not everyone is impressed with eye candy,especially if your graphic card,or sound card cannot cope without major surgery.

dan.jordan
dan.jordan

Look elsewhere? That's part of the problem with a near monopoly such as MS has on PC operating systems -- there IS no practical elsewhere. In their monopoly position MS can pull stuff like this and get away with it. Windows upgrades should thrill, not chill.

HAL 9000
HAL 9000

Clearly Business doesn't count in the Marketing of M$ products. Currently there are still masses of Business Applications that simply are not yet Vista Compatible and several of those have no current Time Table for a rewrite yet. If M$ lock their customers to this Timetable they can only hurt themselves as the Corporate World drops them like a [b]Hot Potato[/b] and go with something that works for them. Col

gstrickland
gstrickland

This has to rate as the most arrogant statement ever made by Microsoft. They are totally out of touch with the marketplace and their customers. One wonders if they have been taking lessons from Cisco. Customers do not need more time, they need a decent OS and Vista simply is not it. Wakey-wakey Microsoft.

Big Ole Jack
Big Ole Jack

If a customer cannot get an existing piece of hardware to work with Vista, he/she will not be very willing to upgrade to it if it will cost an arm and a leg to buy all new Vista certified peripherals. It's bad enough Vista requires a hog of a system with huge amounts of RAM, high end video card, and hard drive space, but to have to buy a new printer, scanner, etc just to work with Vista is extortion of the masses.

TheChas
TheChas

Microsoft keeps forgetting that the consumer market is only part of the equation. Many corporate applications do not run under Vista. If you are on the road and need to access your corporate network, many of the security applications in use don't work with Vista. For the consumer, Vista has at least as high if not higher a hidden upgrade cost than XP did. Printers, scanners, sound cards, many are not supported under Vista. Not to mention what it can cost to just upgrade system hardware for the full Vista experience. I bought a new laptop that came with Vista. I am experimenting right now. But, I am prepared to switch to XP if things do not work out well. Chas

mchen
mchen

Management saw fit to 'reward' their sales staff with HP 1000 laptops - factory installed with Vista Home. 2 months and $300 per machine later (to upgrade to Ultimate), they are sitting gathering dust in my office. All MS has done is lock out access to our server and VPN. Along with blocking some Spam and substituted their own. Even RSS runs ads for them! Not to mention the 'free goodies' offers from them and HP. Oh yeah, and HP does not supply drivers for the unit to run under XP! I am waiting for that so the machines can become productive again.

Big Ole Jack
Big Ole Jack

If I'm buying a new PC or laptop, I don't want to be paying for something that I have no intention of using such as Vista in this case. Vista drives up the cost of a PC because you are paying for the OS itself and the high end hardware that must be thrown in just to ensure it runs. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't like throwing money away on things I don't intend on keeping or using, so I guess the best option would be to buy a barebones system without an OS unless it has XP SP2 preinstalled on it.

paulmah
paulmah

Any wagers that the June 30 date will be pushed back again?

demosthanese
demosthanese

What a peice of garbage vista turned out to be. I can't believe somone gave the go ahead for this thing. Remember when super nintendo came out using cartridges and playstations came out on CD? Turns out sony only made the playstations cause nintendo had ordered all the CD drives then cancelled at the last minute. Sony would never have been in the game had it not been for some schmuckola at nintendo being.... well a schmuckola. Same thing has happened here. Nintendo = Vista Sony = OSX/opensource MS just screwed themselves... hoooray for opensource!

Agent 77
Agent 77

I had this thought when I read the first part of this thread, and every single post (except the other OS ones) have said basically the same thing I thought. Just not in the detail I will now say it in. M$ JUST got XP to work pretty well IMHO, and now they are going to force their newest beta on the masses buying a new PC. When they finally get Vista working right and all the kinks worked out, they will force a new beta on us to fight for a few years. But that's just my opinion....

Ed Woychowsky
Ed Woychowsky

I?m so glad that I have an old copy of XP Pro from a subscription.

nentech
nentech

You can change the OS But changing the user interface will only annoy your customers Is there anyone out there that believes they needed to change the user interface? Anyone except MS that is Maybe this will get through their thick heads Leave the UI alone The number of changes made to the UI between XP and Vista is beyond stupid Yes I hope they have to push it back I hope they have to keep pushing it back over and over Then just maybe they will give us a UI for Vista that resembles XP Col

om_Instance
om_Instance

If you get Vista Ultimate, and apply an animated desktop, and have all the glitzy options turned on, Vista is a gorgeous operating system, end of story. But it does take re-learning the paths to the less common items you want. An issue with system administration, not opening up Internet Explorer or printing a Word document. Of course, if you prefer the old windows-2000 look and feel, you're also welcome to use it. All you do is go in to the properties for the task bar to change your start menu, or the properties for your desktop to change the windows theme. Neither of which is hard (no command-line text-based configuration editing, for example). Many pages that are significantly different (Control Panel comes to mind) offer a "classic" version link/button right in the main window. It's really not hard to revert the UI back to a classic look/feel. But, looking at it proactively and saying, "I can resolve what I don't like in four clicks" isn't NEARLY as fun as whining, nor does it give us that exhilerating sense of superiority. Good for Microsoft for making a more asthetically pleasing UI and smoothing things out. Vista is gorgeous. Very happy user.

ramnet
ramnet

First IT Professional I have seen who clearly actually has to work with hardware and software enough each day to appreciate the pain in the butt that changing the U/I is in Vista. All Col left out was how slow Vista is , how much extra power (read $) you need to run Vista , how the only version worth considering is Ultimate ($700 in Australia) more than a basic PC itself - any wonder VISTA is seen to be the complete flop it actually is. I'd rather run ME by comparison .Now thats amazing considering my opinion of ME. Ken IT Director Melbourne

whisbrook0001
whisbrook0001

I was so happy that Dell gave us the option to swap out our Vista system for a XP system. The Vista UI learning curve is massive not to mention Vista software compatibility issues that still exist. As for betting on the push back on that June 2008, don't give away you money! MS won't have a choice but to push back the date. Vista = Windows ME 2

stews mith
stews mith

I guess it's down to market dominance, but there do seem to be a tad more discussions about the MS world shortfalls than any other OS. Definitely one part of the MS side that is healthy. To have more topics about misfiring Macs would be very welcome, it could shed some light on some of the hang ups that all systems suffer on occasion (and provide a bit more than the "have you tried rebooting" solution). As for insisting "their way is best"; I have no insistence intent (lots of people do!!), I just tried something different after fighting a senile Dell with MS for years, and (so far), it seems to be working.

marefrye
marefrye

I have never had a problem with plugging in something and it not working, including my wireless router. Why do mac people insist their way is the best? People use what they like.

nentech
nentech

You had bad timing This website has had sooo many troll attacks it is no longer funny Most of those attacks have started with Something similar to one of these ?You should use this OS it is so wonderful? ?Its your own fault for using that OS? ?This OS is better because it doesn?t have this problem? Then the arguments start and go on and on and on You just received what will be the standard reply to anyone who replies to me in with one of the above Don?t take personally I just don?t want to be the start of one of those so very very very stupid arguments The Mac system is very good It has lost some of its security It is a shame it now uses an Intel cpu It started off well with the 68000 and that line should have been stuck to I prefer Ubuntu as alternative to Windows For my own reasons Col

nentech
nentech

I had a look at ME Decided I didn?t like it went back to 98se But I still had to support it So I needed to learn about it It ended up on the test PC and stayed there I still have 98se on a partition on one of my own PCs I still use it from time to time very fast and simple It just does what I want without the fuss Col

cherokeebabe
cherokeebabe

when ME first came out I was like WTF is this crap and hated it I then switched back to 98 until I upgraded to XP Home then Pro when they came out. MicroCrap thinks the IT pros like you say are brain dead in my opionion the idiots at MicroCrap make me wonder if some of them need to put down the Ganja or Crack Pipe.... LOL

stews mith
stews mith

Jayzus! Throw a guy a line and get your hand chewed off. No, I'm not a troll; not even in the soft/hardware industry... I do study rocks, but that hardly counts! I may though be an idiot....for offering help (how's the wireless router by the way?). I would however love to be able to continue using MS Windows and have saved the extra outlay of buying into Steve Jobs wee world. I hate all this extra time that I now have to play in Macland when I was previously happily occupied in windowworld running maintenance and antivirus software programmes to keep the MS incarnations in something resembling working order. Many people obviously like (whining about) windows; this thread (and it's amusing side-steps) wouldn't exist otherwise; shame there weren't so many about the Mac system - Microsoft does indeed dominate! Mind you, from an economic/employment perspective, the vast bulk of the software industry would vanish overnight if MS windows were to become some wonder system and make the aforementioned virus/maintenance suite producers obsolete (I would suggest here that perhaps there are indeed trolls out there who support this side of the industry; oops, did I say virus producers, I meant antivirus producers; strange slip up there). Anyway, I'm off to find a Band-Aid for my missing nasal organ

nentech
nentech

People who suggest changing to another OS are beginning to look and sound like trolls Many people DO NOT have a choice Many people LIKE windows Many people DO NOT want to change to another OS Get over it They have a right to make that choice Why is it that in a discussion about windows some idiot will always turn up and tell everybody they should change to their pet OS Anyway good for you Not so good for some people

stews mith
stews mith

Entropy:... representing the unavailability of a system's ...energy for conversion into ...work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system. You should try Mac OSX. OK. the learning curve may be a bit steep coming from a MS dominated world, but your wireless router (or any peripheral for that matter) won't give you grey hairs. I moved from about 18 years of MS to Mac this year and was taken by surprise when I plugged everything in just out of the box and it worked...no interrogation or sulking OS. As for adapting to the world according to Steve Jobs; took a day or two and I was tapping away like before.

Big Ole Jack
Big Ole Jack

Moron Edition! The OS was so dumbed down and lacked functionality that it had to have been designed for morons. I think MS took the same approach with Vista because they incorrectly assume that every single user that will use Vista is completely braindead and needs to have his/her hand held during the entire process. Sure, many users are clueless about their systems, but for us IT pros who need to implement and support it, it feels as if we are being treated like a bunch of braindead morons who need our hands held by big brother Billy.

nentech
nentech

There is a hell of a lot more changes between XP and Vista Than there was between 98 and ME If Vista had that level of change it would be easy to upgrade At least some of the 98 drivers worked with ME My post came after I had spent 3 hours trying to get a wireless network adaptor to work on vista I felt like the OS was working against me This was a new computer with Vista preinstalled So I was not very happy with MS or Vista It was the driver that was the problem Intel?s driver for Vista Slow my God was it slow If computers talked this is what I would have heard ?You want me to do what?? ?I will have to think about it and get back to you? ?But first I have 50 questions for you to answer? Col