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Piracy rate for Vista is half that of XP

Microsoft on Monday said that piracy rates for Windows Vista are half those of Windows XP.

Microsoft on Monday said that piracy rates for Windows Vista are half those of Windows XP.

There appears to be a variety of reasons for that, chief among them is probably the fact that Vista machines that are not properly activated become useless pretty quickly when they enter into “reduced functionality mode.”

Amazingly, in a significant change, those with non-genuine or non-activated copies of Vista SP1 will still be able to use their systems.

According to CNET News.com:

With Service Pack 1, Microsoft is doing away with reduced functionality mode in favor of putting prominent notifications on systems that are not found to be genuine. Non-genuine systems with SP1 will display a warning at start-up that the system is not properly activated.

Users will have the option to "activate now" or "activate later," though the second option won't show up for a time. Users will also have their desktop background changed to white and a prominent notification placed in the lower right hand corner saying that the machine is not genuine.

I don’t know about you, but harder to pirate none withstanding, the first thought that comes to my cynical mind goes along the line of “Even the pirates can’t be bothered with Vista!”

And as to why Microsoft is making it easier is probably due to pressure from irate users who are wrongly locked out of their own system due to things like device driver upgrades.

And the final puzzle I shall leave you with is -- just how did Microsoft figure out the piracy rate anyway? Via Windows update perhaps?

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Paul Mah is a writer and blogger who lives in Singapore, where he has worked for a number of years in various capacities within the IT industry. Paul enjoys tinkering with tech gadgets, smartphones, and networking devices.

125 comments
ElectraGlideInBlue
ElectraGlideInBlue

I recently replaced a lousy OEM copy of Sony's notebook version of Vista Business with an already used Vista Business upgrade. The MS rep didn't even care, he just gave me the code, I think to alleviate his boredom. He seemed happy I wanted to use Vista, which I didn't but no XP path back...

ElectraGlideInBlue
ElectraGlideInBlue

I recently replaced a lousy OEM copy of Sony's notebook version of Vista Business with an already used Vista Business upgrade. The MS rep didn't even care, he just gave me the code, I think to alleviate his boredom. He seemed happy I wanted to use Vista, which I didn't but no XP path back...

Jaqui
Jaqui

with this comment: "Even the pirates can't be bothered with Vista!" edit to fix that windows charset formatting bug

goldenpirate
goldenpirate

Vista has been cracked - I've seen it. And it works perfectly without missing a beat (even after installing new Vista compliant third party drivers - has done so for about 2 months now - no notifications re activation, no "reduced functionality mode." etc etc. But I still wouldn't touch it. XP does everything I want it to do. If M$ cant even pick a properly pirated copy of XP, how can we expect them to pick a properly pirated copy of Vista? So where do they get their figures from? I dont believe that they have any idea just how many pirated copies of XP there are that pass their activation test on their web site. So, if "Microsoft on Monday said that piracy rates for Windows Vista are half those of Windows XP" then pigs must be able to fly. Oh Yeah!

jeanmarc
jeanmarc

Could it be because there are less copies of Vista out there than we are told (certainly less than XP)?

mikifin
mikifin

Vista is one of the worst operating systems I have seen from Microsuck. If I HAD to get a Windblows product I would get XP.

computerd}}
computerd}}

Every 3 years Microsoft has to put out a new OS so it can stay in business or else it will loose profits and go under because there is no competition other than Linux and Mac and those two can't be called competition because of the fact that they aren't user friendly (plug and play). Microsofts programmers are hired to do a job to keep up with the faster machines not to put out good software.

t.rohner
t.rohner

although we are selling machines with genuine copies of the corresponding os's and have no interest in pirating, i wouldn't take vista even if it were for free. Bloatware is the name of the game. Our customers use apps like photoshop and memory-hogging Rips to do their work, so i don't need a os that needs 2GB to run a editor or solitaire smoothly. It's a interesting question how MS finds out the pirating rate. Maybe it's just plain statistics, or it's really 1984.

nsmurali
nsmurali

It would be nice if Microsoft put the genius of its programmers into making a decent, bug-free OS that works with most device drivers and software. Pirating OS is so 90ish, old hack. Most new machines come with an OS installed. That is why no one bothers to pirate vista. For those who still pirate it the punishment is immediate. You get a cute screen but no programs will work abyway. Then what do you do, reformat the drive and install an old win NT or Win 2000 and get along without bothering to complain to Microsoft (no one listens). Is this what MS had in mind when they released vista? The stupid thing cannot even burn a music DVD correctly. It disables about 60% of previously functioning programs. This is the equivalent of a paid malware!

plgc.plgc
plgc.plgc

COMONNNN Hey Microsoft Guys, You said That this is the MOST (100%) Secure OS in the world...and you only achive a HALF compare to XP. Ja,ja,ja,ja,ja please stop, don't say anymore....ja,ja,ja,ja This Half doesn't have internet or unpluged from it. Ja,Ja,Ja,Ja,

Gone Fishing
Gone Fishing

The modern games console has cut into the PC games market The pirates wanted XP to run the games and it still does that They don???t need Vista they have XP They know how to get XP to do what they want Vista? Why bother The Xbox may have done more to stop Windows piracy than anything else MS has done

Presler
Presler

Piracy rate for Vista is half that of XP..... I think not really because of vista activation but more of "hardware" concerns. A lot of people out there are still using aging PCs on 256-512MB of total system RAM. A decent Vista installation would be 1GB minimum (512MB vista basic is total trash).

chaz15
chaz15

I wouldn't even bother putting a pirate copy of Vista on my machine. As for actually paying for an OEM...... It still has the name Microsoft Vista on the cover!!!!

ByteBin-20472379147970077837000261110898
ByteBin-20472379147970077837000261110898

I've heard SO many complaints about Vista, and heard that some companies had to offer a downgrade to XP for an extended amount of time than they originally planned. So that there tells you Vista was not as well received. So this would be only logical that nobody would pirate Vista as much. And in fact maybe XP piracy would increase as more machines are shipped with Vista and if they don't have the option to downgrade, they'd do anything to get XP on it. Though I have legit XP SP2 and Vista Home Preimum machines, I haven't had any real problems with either of them. I'm hoping that the release of Vista SP1 which I hear is early next year is it? I hope that SP1 won't break the OS.

LarryBoy2
LarryBoy2

Why would someone pirate a product that is of such questionable value?

kps_46635
kps_46635

LOL! Could it be it is not even worth stealing? Will Vista bloat be the next Windows ME it already is!

binarypc
binarypc

Maybe it'll get more popular next year, once SP1 is released and it becomes faster and more stable.

Meesha
Meesha

I agree with you on the cynical side of this equation, "who wants to bother with VISTA?" I have it (Home Premium), tested it, it broke all my peripherals, new drivers from vendors notwithstanding and I've had to upgrade the box at considerable expense. So why would anyone bother. Besides, even with my legal copy every time I made a change in the system it would screw me up. I've dumped it for now, maybe in two or three years after service pack 22 it might have some value. On the flip side, a colleague of mine upgraded his home PC to VISTA Home Premium and had no real issues to speak of. Why the difference in experience? I don't have time for a vendor to provide a slap dash sort of product that is costly, unreliable with security still not proven to my satisfaction. Nor is the security marathon warranted for legal holders of the software.

ian.montgomery
ian.montgomery

What would be the pirate flag? Naturally the blue screen of death since its such a common feature for this rubbish operating system.

HypnoToad72
HypnoToad72

Okay, I personally love Vista despite its quirks and the bits that didn't quite live up to the hype. (After all, this is Microsoft. We're used to it.) And, yes, both laptop and desktop Ultimate copies are quite legitimate. But, yeah, having been a victim of a Vista WGA-lockout by doing only one thing - Upgrading my video card driver - it does strain patience. Microsoft's name and clout give (them the impression of being) a professional organization. Of any component to be half-baked, WGA wasn't the best one to leave undone. (Never mind other activation problems with other MS software.) I'm gratified to know they are working on making life easier for those who obey the law... shouldn't those who work within the system get the better end of the deal?

eM DuBYaH
eM DuBYaH

It makes sense. The adoption rate for Vista is deservedly slow, businesses don't want it, well guess what? Neither do the pirates!!

Tig2
Tig2

You buy their computer, you get the OS. Crap and clutter free, mind you. Who in their right mind would want to pirate Vista? Open source is still free. Download PCLOS and end your Microsoft woes!

computerd}}
computerd}}

Would you get offended if someone hung a noose in a room around Halloween? Do you think that is racist?

medieval
medieval

Even if Vista was free I wouldnt run it

dirtylaundry
dirtylaundry

I'd want it if Vista Ultimate was free merely to increase my knowledge of another OS - hardly a reason to go out and get it tho - I'd also have to build or buy a new system...and XP and Ubuntu run on my systems just fine.

techrepublic
techrepublic

Let's face it, software pirates are a subset of the group of more literate users. They don't want vista. Free or not.

mhbowman
mhbowman

with the additional required hardware overhead, most people and businesses will move to Vista only when forced to by M$ removing support for XP. As for the numbers I think it's a best guess by M$ based on sales. Vista is nowhere near the product that XP is. I think it will be responsible for a definite gain in market share for the competitor OS products.

doogal123
doogal123

Could it be that the statistics have been 'chosen' to give a 'marketable' result? If you just do a count of illegal users in a smaller pool (vista) of running operating systems, then gee, maybe you CAN have a reduced count of illegal users. Of course, with low demand for the product, it will also certainly be lower. But maybe the did it by percentages - i.e. total illegal copies divided by total copies. If not many want it, really, who cares? It is like saying that the number of illegal Ford Pintos is lower - who wants one? This posting by microsoft is an 'anti-event'.

Brownshoe Sailor
Brownshoe Sailor

Amen! The reason should be obvious. I mean, you can clean out your cat's litter box and leave the lumps in a sack on the sidewalk and people will step around it, not steal it.

normhaga
normhaga

WGA has been cracked for sometime. I am aware of 6 Vista releases in which WGA has been cracked by, you guessed it, 6 different groups. Ditto with the Office Validation. I do not know about you, I had no problem running a cracked version of Vista because I have OEM, MSDN, and retail versions of Vista and because I ran it to remove an objectionable property.

binarypc
binarypc

Yeah, all we did is replaced a defective video card with a duplicate (from Dell) and it shut Windows Vista Home Premium down cold. One reinstall later....

eM DuBYaH
eM DuBYaH

i wish Mac OS would be available for the regular PC users out there. (Mac's are PC's now anyways!). then it would be really easy to dump microsoft.

djamieson
djamieson

ok, people don't use vista because it is not intuitive, it is laborious and it requires significant hardware upgrades that people for the most part are not prepared to keep doling out for every three years just because it's there. you ever wonder why people cherish that 1977 oldsmobile? Vista is a total pig and you need a high end system to run it. That is known. Painfully known by the people who actually went to upgrade their xp sp2 systems. as for my original subject line, seriously, I can likely run more gnu software on my windows box than on any mac that is just mac. :-)~ People need to know that Macs are for people who don't know anything about computing but like to organize their photos and make slide shows that bore the rest of us to death. lol

Timbo Zimbabwe
Timbo Zimbabwe

"Crap and clutter free, mind you." Really? That's not what I've read.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

"Download PCLOS and end your Microsoft woes!" Why is there so much piracy of MS operating systems when there are so many no-cost open source alternatives? Is it that those unlicensed users don't realize there are alternatives, any more than users in the developed world? Are they aware of the alternatives but perceive some aspect of Windows as superior? Are they all script kiddies and need test platforms? What's the motivation to steal something when you can get a comparable product for no charge and get applications thrown in, too?

boxfiddler
boxfiddler

What do nooses, pirates, and Halloween have to do with racism? And what the he// does racism have to do with the Vista rate of adoption?

Gone Fishing
Gone Fishing

hell are you on about For your info MS treats upgrade versions of windows different Same with the retail versions (full non OEM versions)

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

I'd take several copies for free. I'm running a single one on a virtual machine now, but I can always use more software licenses and test systems.

rabrahamson
rabrahamson

XP was and still is worth it. Its expensive but it works well.

barrie.duke
barrie.duke

How many pirates have thrown Vista over the side, I wonder?

sbergstresser
sbergstresser

I had Vista Business Edition deactivate itself after a USB driver update from Microsoft's own auto-updater. Granted, their tech support had me up and running again within the hour, but wouldn't you think that they'd allow their own updates to be unhindered?

The Listed 'G MAN'
The Listed 'G MAN'

"and it shut Windows Vista Home Premium down cold" No - it would ask to be reactivated.

rhomp2002
rhomp2002

I never had a problem with WGA. I just figured that rather than keep dodging the installation of it I would try some O/S that would appreciate me instead of assuming that I would try to pirate it. The result? I found that Linux did all the things I wanted to do except play a couple of the WMV movies and I was not all that interested in them. I converted to Linux, wiped Windows and could not be happier. Now I wonder why I stayed with Windows for as long as I did. Why bother pirating an O/S when you can have one that is better and easier and more secure for nothing!!

Tig2
Tig2

Floating around TR is an article on using Pear to get OS X on a non Mac pc. The problem is licensing. Mac figures if you buy the hardware, you get the OS to run it. I bought mine the week Leopard was released. The upgrade was in the box. But no license code. If I wanted, I could pick up an old System 7 and run it. That would be silly but you get the point. On one Mac forum that I'm a peer on, one of the guys mentioned that he needed to do a fresh install of Tiger but didn't have a disk. He was able to buy one for about $20. That kind of solution wouldn't have been available in Windows world. Very different models at work.

Tig2
Tig2

Macintosh presents fully agnostic hardware enabling the owner to multi boot any OS out there... including Vista. And it doesn't require the owner to use a VM in order to do it. Any OS will run natively on the hardware. And it works. It just works. People need to know that the Mac is a viable alternative in personal computing.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

I don't think she meant they were connected in any other way, but I'm sure she'll correct me if I'm wrong.

normhaga
normhaga

that Vista has a lot of junk in it. On e factory configured machine, I first uninstalled all of the factory loaded apps, then ran several reg cleaners. When I could not uninstall the Office trial activation, and no one one this board could answer why I could not, I dug through the registry until I found Office Trial Activation with the nomodify and nouninstall flags set and which the registry entry was also protected. Than I ran CCCleaner, Tweaknow disk cleaner, and Tune Up Utilities disk cleaner. After all this, I created a few reg entries and modified a few other and immediately cleaned out 2.5 gigabytes of crap. Than I ran Evidence Eliminator. I have no idea of what EE cleaned out, only that it required over 30 to run to completion. My experience is that Vista loads a lot of stuff. I had to run Vista behind a firewall because it routinely contacted MS with encrypted data. As I said, I have had experience with a bunch of crap. The 2.5 gig of crap and EE also applied to a retail version of Vista.

Tig2
Tig2

The only thing that I had on the drive that I consider crapware was the 30 day trial of Office. I trashed that immediately. Beyond that, the applications that are pre-installed are things I use. But if you wanted them to go, it is as easy as dropping them in the trash. Your mileage may vary.

The Scummy One
The Scummy One

I jumped to Linux after Vista betas failed to impress me. Not knowing sh!t about Linux, I jumped into and downloaded a few distros. Someone mentioned PCLOS and I tried it out. Yes, there are some issues with it, and it is a smaller distro. For a hog, try SUSE (still good, but still a hog). With little exp I found PCLinuxOS to be a preferred choice. And, it is easy to use, Beryl is great, look and feel, easy to navigate (mostly). Wifi works easily (for me at least) when you find it that it.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

I think hands-on experience with a new system carries more weight than academic research alone.

stravos
stravos

You have to think of it this way... how many games can you play on linux? or any other open source system?? I can think of a few.. but in all reality... on the personal computing level.. gaming dictats a lot of things... not to mention familar apps like office.. photo shop.. and so on.. yes.. there are open source alternitives.... like gimp... open office.. and so on.. but.. people are very resistant to change. and a lot of people dont know of the alternitives.... we have to face it.. we live in a microsoft world... its been imbeded in to almost every aspect of our lives.. linux is great.. but its far from user friendly... even unbuntu... a great distro.. you need to have a little working knowlage of a computer to get it set up... after its set up.. its a breese to use.. its getting it to a point where it is useable for your end user.... the point is.. open source operating systems are good for people in the know... computer hobbyist or for businesses that are trying to save a few bucks.. (and then you have to deal with training costs and paying extra for your linux admins because microsoft admins are all over the place) for the rest of the world.. those who want to play games.. or work with what they are familar with.... there is microsoft... or heaven forbid... Mac os... and yes.. I know you can make a linux box look and act like windows.. or look and act like a mac... and thats great .. if you are trying to fool your users and make it so they are comfortable working in the environment.. but.. try running your latest games on it... even with transmeta.. it requires a lot of work.. and half the time it doesnt work because of hardware. (been trying to get eve online to work for ages under linux finally gave up becuase my laptop has an ati vidoe card instead of a Nvidia)

normhaga
normhaga

I see a lot of touting of the superiority of Linux and its applications. Why would you do this? Take one application, say Gimp and compare it to the Windows/Mac application Adobe Photoshop. The Gimp looses. Take cutting edge technology. In Windows it will work, in Linux you either have to write the driver yourself and hoe you get it right, or wait until someone writes it Take older hardware, say the ATI XPress 200 video card, it does not operate properly under Linux. The card has been around a while and was/is popular in many laptops. Try wireless in Linux, especially with the BroadCom cards that are so very popular. You generally have to use bcm43xx-fwcutter to get the wireless kernel or resort to Ndiswrapper. If you use the approved method of bmc43xx-fwcutter you only get a maximum throughput of 24 Mbit/sec. Im sure you have set up a Linux box from the ground up. It is at best a pain, especially if you are using non HP peripherals. Just curious.

Antagonist
Antagonist

They don't know anything other than windows and are afraid of change. They think Windows has value but not the value that Microsoft is charging. If microsoft charged $40 a seat for vista ultimate (which is a little more than *I* think it's worth), they would probably find more people buying it and not stealing it. Charging any more for it gets them what they have now: Hardly anyone even wants to steal it...

Tig2
Tig2

It took almost a year before the SO would try Open Office. And he's an Application Architect and programmer. He's just comfy in Windows. He jumped the shark when he couldn't upgrade his Office XP to Office 2007. And the incompatibility of documents was a worry. So he tried Open Office, albeit grudgingly. He now uses Open Office for all his spread sheet and documents needs. He doesn't like MySQL much (but he did try it) so he still uses Access for his database needs. I think that the issue is change. I experience some of that with the Mac. I have to learn new things to use the machine competently. But that is okay. I would have gone through the same thing with Vista. The issue boils down to fear- fear of change, mostly. And until more people know that they have options, Linux will continue to look spooky.

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

"No Pa! I was just pushing it through the gate! Honest!"

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

"Here lately, you really have to check the freshness date on just about everything that you post to" I get several of the little "newsletters," and they always have the "featured blog" though really its just a random discussion. Some have been over a year old.... don?t know what TR is thinking in that area.. "Present company, of course, excluded. You, I like" Thanks =) It makes my morning to hear that =) I have enjoyed my time here at TR so far. It?s a lively and fun community. No Doubt! I will be spending my after noon elbows deep in digi boards and serial cables.... creating "clones" of primary hardware for our move next month. So I am getting in my phone and face time this AM, oh, and my TR time. lol

Gone Fishing
Gone Fishing

Now what do they call people who steal cattle? Anyway they use to hang them This fella could be thinking of land pirates Just a good ol boy from down on the farm Yeeha ha ha ha ha ha

Tig2
Tig2

Mostly because computerd}} keeps coming back. Seagulls generally fly into a thread, drop a load and leave, never to be seen again. I'm surprised that you had never heard that before. We've had sub-threads about seagulls in the past. Another term that you might like to tuck away is "zombie". As in Don't add to zombie threads! A zombie is any thread with no activity after 90 days. Here lately, you really have to check the freshness date on just about everything that you post to. Sometimes I really wonder about our less frequent visitors... Present company, of course, excluded. You, I like.

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

And you still didn't answer, 1) WTF are you going on about? 2) What does that link have to do with Vista/Piracy? 3) See question 1. And, if you say you are attempting to make some social analogy between the Vista Piracy issue and the noose hanging, then I would just not bother if I were you.

Gone Fishing
Gone Fishing

There has been OEM PCs That contained hardware that was made by one manufacturer (Intel, Amd) Every thing except the case, the power supply and the drives Which where standard devices (no drivers required) The drivers were MS certified and tested Those systems had the same problems as the ones built out of parts made by different manufacturers The difference is apple is a computer company that makes software to run on their own systems Look at the Xbox history if you want to study MS tested hardware and design Better still ask people to tell you about the woes they have had

eM DuBYaH
eM DuBYaH

I guess to say that if Microsoft had their own exclusive/tested hardware to run on their OS, there wouldn't be all of the problems that currently exist. Have a solidly verified system like the Macs enjoy. In that respect, I don't fault MS totally for having a swiss cheese OS. A friend of mine is working on a "Hacintosh" project that I'm VERRRRY curious about, see how it runs. aka getting Max OS running on non Mac h/w.

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

As the license is what allows Mac to have such high quality control. Everyone agrees that Mac makes solid hardware, everyone. And a big part of the "It just works" is that they control the hardware and drivers. They KNOW a driver works or not with an OSX version. Different models, the Mac model is amazing for small distribution, but it?s to limited for the scale MS plays on. In order to reach a significantly larger population, I think Mac is going to HAVE to separate its OS from its hardware. Maybe have the "official" line of hardware from Mac, comes with OS and has support. Then the Stand Alone OS, maybe it will come with 2 or 3 phone support calls within 1 month of purchase etc. The biggest problems to separating OSX are licensing, perceiver reliability (non-compatible hardware, poor third party drivers (see MS Windows for a reference)), and support. Not offering support on non-Mac hardware is easy, perceived reliability is more difficult to counter... Hmm I have to think about this some more.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

Many here support or use Macs at work or home. I don't think you're going to find a publishing or graphics house that doesn't use them. Why do you think there's no room for them here? This isn't a Microsoft site, an Intel site, or a PC site. If it moves electrons, it's a viable subject for discussion. Unlike a printed magazine, there's no practical limit on the available content space. Discussing Macs doesn't happen at the expense of other topics. Odd that you feel Macs are off-topic, but you apparently feel William Shatner ads and sci-fi movies are on topic. http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=245939&messageID=2373788 http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=244594&messageID=2363609 http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=240846&messageID=2337087

Gone Fishing
Gone Fishing

about any OS on TR The problem is the stupid windows fan boys and script kiddies who can?t get over the fact that there is more than one OS They will insist on writing stupid comments in the middle of serious discussions

djamieson
djamieson

No offense intended. I just don't think there's any room for talk about MACs at an IT and tech site. lol

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

Do you remember what crapware came on the retail version?

normhaga
normhaga

"The 2.5 gig of crap also applied to a retail version of Vista." That copy was purchased off the shelf at Best-Buy. The same thing also applied to the MSDN Vista download. So, I disagree with you and stand by my original statement that Vista has a lot of crap in it because the retail versions and the MSDN version are not bundled.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

I agree crapware is an issue, but that's the vendor's fault, not Vista's. Vista has problems, but let's keep those separate from the one's inflicted by the retailer.

Baksidah
Baksidah

You can always download Wubi and Ubuntu. That way you can run a real Linux setup using virtual disks set up in a Windows partition. This will also use the MS Boot Loader instead of Grub. Just make sure you download the correct version of Ubuntu to work with Wubi. Wubi is built specifically for certain versions of Ubuntu. Play with it - tune or tweak it and if you don't like it just uninstall Wubi from Windows. Have fun...

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

that droped dead in the internet cafe after 35 hours of non-stop WoW was most likely a farmer. OR an addict of the worst kind...

ptnelson1
ptnelson1

Quite a few distros run happily from a CD or a flash drive as well. It's really easy test drive Linux

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

I see why you recomended MySQl now...combining all the tables into one database has potential to give him better data flow.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

I'm not a gamer. I'd read something about "farmers" but had forgotten it. That puts dirtylaundry's comments in a clearer context. Thanks.

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

There is a group of player in WoW referred to as "Chinese Farmer". These are people who play only to farm items and in game currency to then re-sell on the net to make money. For most Americans, the resell may only amount to several thousand dollars a year to a thousand or so a month if they are very successful. That same money in a third world country provides significantly greater buying power than in America. All of the big MMORPGs have farmers, and money to be made. http://aspnetguy.com/blog/category/wow-items/

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

How many of third-world pirates have broadband to run an MMORG? That's where the majority of piracy is taking place. I should have been specified that in my original question, but took it for granted.

Tig2
Tig2

I want to say that there have been folks that have gotten WoW running on a Linux distro. Not being a gamer, I haven't done a lot of work down that road. But I think that Jack Wallen has. I believe he accepts peer mail.

dirtylaundry
dirtylaundry

show us a Linux Distro that can run World Of Warcraft and allow mod addons, with Ventrillo as well and you will see said Linux Distro SOAR above any windoze OS is there a current distro that can do this?

Tig2
Tig2

And for anyone else, Base is really all you need. He has a number of databases, all with GUI front ends. While he recognises that he can re-write the front end, he wants to have gotten that far before taking the tables over to another back end. All that said, he is at least exploring new options and finding them good. I'll take that little victory.

Tig2
Tig2

There are some Windows emulators that will run some games. Jack Wallen (blogger on Linux here) will know more than I do on this subject but tools like CrossOver, Wine, and Cedega offer some functionality. You also have the option of running Windows in a virtual machine. PCLOS is an easy Linux to adopt. It has a "Windows" look and feel and ease to install. It is also available as a "Live CD". Download and burn the distro to a CD and literally test it. Boot to the CD and see if you can do the things you want. If you like it, you can install it. If you don't like it, reboot and you are back to Windows. With just about any of us here, ask your questions. We'll help.

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

To be an access replacement? Seems for most peoples needs that would suit better then MySQl.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

Test it by downloading a bootable "Live CD" of a Linux distribution. Or download VMware's virtual machine player and a pre-configured Linux virtual machine. Either way is cheaper than paying for a hard drive and easier than configuring a dual-boot installation.

mhbowman
mhbowman

adding an additional drive on your PC and set Linux up on it. You'll have a dual boot set up that allows play with Linux until you have it fine tuned but still have Windows until you're ready to totally commit.

jheaton
jheaton

The issue that I have about converting to Linux, is application compatibility, along with hardware compatibility. Now, before you start scoffing, or flaming here, I have NOT done any real in depth research, but my concern is whether or not my graphics card will work correctly, and whether or not my games will run correctly on Linux. That's what I do in my spare time, is play on the computer, and if I can't do that with my favorite games, then there's no way I'm going to leave Windows...