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Why would anyone choose Windows over Linux?

Recently Jack Wallen wrote an article on the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows. This article begged the question "Why would anyone choose Windows over Linux?" And so in this blog he answers that question with his own theory and asks you, the Techrepublic faithful, to help him answer the question.

I am going out on a limb here...really opening myself up for a flame-war. But you know - there are some defining moments that beg for such an action. That action? To question why anyone (when they KNOW the difference) would seriously choose a Windows operating system over Linux.

Let me set the stage a bit. Recently, I wrote an article for Techrepublic about the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows. As I wrote that article, I found myself constantly wondering why anyone knowing these fundamental differences would choose anything but a Linux operating system.

Recently my youngest stepdaughter brought her Windows XP machine to a screeching halt with a nasty boot sector virus. The machine was in a constant loop. Even attempting to get into Safe Mode was no help. Her machine was protected with AVG and yet the virus managed to get right on by what I have used for years to protect Windows machines. But her bout with Windows doesn't end there. The machine, having a fresh install of XP, constantly (and randomly) restarted itself causing her to lose countless hours of Myspace tweaking and OMGSTFUing on IM with her buds. Granted she wasn't losing databases and research or anything mission critical. But to a fourteen year old, Myspace is pretty critical. And to a stepfather who serves as IT person for the entire family (well beyond "extended" family), having a happily computing fourteen-year-old saves me plenty of nerve endings.

So I decided to run a little experiment and install Mandriva Spring 2008 on her machine. She was worried that she wouldn't know how to use the computer or her iPod wouldn't work. OMG! Well, after a very quick installation and next-to-no instruction, she was back to her happy place typing acronym after acronym in Pidgen. And guess what? No restarts. No crashes. No worries about viruses. In fact, I have yet to hear a peep out of her since her machine adopted Linux. This is the epitome of the average computer user I'm speaking of. A Myspace, IM, e-mail junkie who needs to write the occasional report and browse Ebay.

So after her success I was back to the question that perpetually plagues me: Why would anyone choose Windows over Linux?

  • There's far less risk for viruses and malware.
  • It's free.
  • Applications are free.
  • It's far more flexible.
  • It has multiple routes for support.
  • It is improving at a far faster rate than Windows.
  • Bugs and security holes are patched much quicker.

I realize the pat answers will appear:

  • No games.
  • No Linux version of application X.

But do those really satisfy the question when the average user is not a gamer or uses an application outside of the usual fare?

In my seriously biased opinion, I think this question is answered with a simple conspiracy theory: Microsoft is doing everything it can to keep the public blind to Linux. Think about it? Remember the whole Wintel conspiracy where MS and Intel played off of each other to continue their strangle-hold monopoly in the PC industry? That era played a huge part in the blinding of consumers. Top that with the business practices MS forces upon big box shops to insure their operating system is sold on nearly every PC sold and you can see that conspiracy is more of a reality than one might think.

But I would like your opinion on the issue. After our wonderful Selena posed the question, What does Linux do that Windows can't? your replies make me believe that you understand my frustration with this issue. So do tell me...why would anyone choose Windows over Linux?

About

Jack Wallen is an award-winning writer for TechRepublic and Linux.com. He’s an avid promoter of open source and the voice of The Android Expert. For more news about Jack Wallen, visit his website getjackd.net.

922 comments
jnewton4747
jnewton4747

The reason I, and many of the businesses I work with on a regular basis use windows is that as soon as you begin needing more specialized software, the options on windows are usually much more abundant and enterprise-ready. You never hear someone ask "Is there a windows alternative for (insert linux software)". It's always the other way around. There is software for everything on windows. To me and many others, the operating system used is simply a middle man between the hardware and the software you want to use. I believe there is a better balance between cost and effort using windows than there is using *nix. Now, I will say that if you need something simple like a fileserver and a web server, or a web browser and office suite, then yeah, go for linux. When you start needing business accounting software, CAD packages and specialized hardware support, you're going to have a better chance of getting everything quicker, and if you're factoring in time, cheaper with windows.

peteanimation
peteanimation

If Macs were not an option I would work hard to find a good laptop and a good Linux distro, to get away from Windows.

peteanimation
peteanimation

I tried using Ubuntu on an HP Pavilion laptop - it simply did not work. All research I've done seems to point it's the hardware's fault, but this is the reason I chose the clean, well-working Windows 7 over an OS that kept freezing and crashing. Also, Viruses aren't as big a problem as people think: You install free anti-virus software and keep your wits about you online.

wilsonjerry
wilsonjerry

you are all alone. no one will help you, or will

jdclyde
jdclyde

As many people already know Windows, it takes almost no effort or thought to just blindly stay on the same road, oblivious that there are other ways. It would take effort, first of all. It would also put people in the hot seat for the users that won't "like" the new OS.

jackie40d
jackie40d

To Sinster Slay ( whom has no real e-mail address ) in repley to your 0.0 So where did you get the big Teddy ( Panda ) Bear to put behind the steering wheel I need one for company hahahaha curl up and keep warm with Or lay my head while watching TV !

mikaelb
mikaelb

Most hardware comes only with Windows drivers. If a hardware is supported by Linux you often just need to plug it in and do not have to install drivers. Sometimes you need to compile Linux drivers and follow long guides to get the hardware to work. You also need to find applications that works with the hardware. I still can't use finger print reader and SDHC:s in Linux on my laptop. Bluetooth headset also does not work. In Windows these work out of the box.

Slayer_
Slayer_

I have been thinking about this for awhile, and I have now few reasons. most of them not good but they are reasons none the less and even though they may not be important to some, they are important to me. 1) Linux means relearning the wheel, only this time is in the shape of an oval and its my task to read online manuals and make it round. Which goes against my male nature, I do not read manuals, for anything, ever! I learned Windows at a young age, when Windows was very simple, and every new piece of bloat was just a small extra step. Usually a new default option to turn off (desktop cleanup wizard, hidden alt keys, list goes on and on). It's not too late to learn Linux, I would not say I am the stereotypical person that is turned away from Linux because it is different. I have tried Linux on several occasions, always a different distro, always anouyed after a week and give up trying to make it do what I want. 2) Doesn't run the programs I like. Simply, I did not like GIMP or OpenOffice, actually both anouyed me. I really hate firefox, and although I can put up with opera, its not my favorite. My favorite browser is Avant Browser, which yes I know is an IE shell, but I still love it the best and nothing will change that (unless Avant screws up or IE9 is uber awesome). I like MS office, I still use Office 2000 because it is what I am familure with, it still works fine, and its well established and very easy to use (with minor training of course). I don't feel like changing. 3) It feels incomplete. Where with Windows we have security holes, with Linux we have incomplete projects, everything is a beta or is incomplete or is buggy. yes of course this argument goes both ways but, the perportion is a lot higher for Linux applications. 4) Applications define an OS, not the OS defining applications. This is something Linux users seem to get wrong when pitching Linux to someone. They claim Linux is better, and indeed it is, but very few of its applications are truely better than the original Windows version. Remember Mac's were used for graphics work, because they had good graphics programs. Linux is awesome as a server, it inherently works perfectly as a server, permissions for everyone, nicely locked down by default, ready to be attacked at any time as servers always are. Windows has gotten itself as the jack of all trades but master of none title. When you look at human thinking, we want to do the most with the least, this iw what Windows gives us, we can do the most with the least, regardless of the quality. (You can argue this but we all shop at Walmart because it is the cheapest, regardless of the fact that what you buy will probably break after you use it once, Walmart has everything, just none of it is of any quality) 5) Games Simple, advancing hardware is driven by games. Triple sli graphics cards, multiple cores, fast storage including sata and raid on every motherboard today.. yeah.. gaming has always driven the hardware forward. Linux can't play these new awesome games. It's not the direct fault of Linux, but it is it's greatest weakness. We are all born with weaknesses, Linux's is gaming, it started as a server, and thats all it still is, Linux is desperatly trying to be adopted as a personal computer, but as we can all see from these debates, it's not really working, all we have is a bunch of fanboys preaching that Linux is the holy saviour of computing. Which brings me to my next point. 6) Fanboys suck. I don't mind objective analysis, but what usually happens is exactly what this topic does. This is even worse than the Vista vs XP threads. How much bigger of a turnoff can you have then users like those that post here flat out arguing and direct insults to other users. If I ever use Linux, I will be ashamed to do so and will likely never tell anyone I do because I never want to be on the otherside of this evil. Lots of Linux people are really nice, I have spoked with many of them that tried to get my system up and running. Apon failing they even admited to saying that my dated hardware was better suited to using an older Windows system. Now that's bold honesty that I appreciate. 7) There are too many versions, people complain about Vista having so many editions, have you seen Linux??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions That is a Wiki page displaying what I asume is all the different Distros, Who really knows, there seems to be a new one every post I read on the internet. How is anyone switching supposed to figure this out? Just out of Experiementation, SuSE and Knoppix supported my hardware but RedHad and Ubuntu didn't, what is the pattern here? And why did I have to try 4 different OS? I didn't need to use 4 different versions of Windows XP, is there even 4 versions??? XP home, XP pro, XP media center, did I miss any? If the Linux community can ever consolodate these, or heck, a website that asks you questions and checks your system and figures out the right Distro for you, would certainly be handy. Because at the moment it is pretty much impossible without turning this into a year long project to squeeze into our busy lives. 8) It does not improve my computing experience It's as simple as that, it does not improve the experience, Linux cannot do anything better than Windows for what I currently use it for, so what is the point? Infact Linux performs worse (see #5) then my Windows system, the proposed better security and free software cannot eclipse the 8 negatives I have said here.

Tony Hopkinson
Tony Hopkinson

Accounting software? Online is going to kill the desktop market space for that. Low end will be wholly on line, high end will be cloud (possibly private). As for specialised hardware support, that's a consequence of MS dominance, not a reason for it.

HAL 9000
HAL 9000

But it is not always the case so I will ask you for a Windows Version of Computer Image Generation Program used for movie making. Sorry but there is no Windows version and the few that where tried proved so unsuccessful that they where dumped. The only Windows version that I saw tried took 3 weeks to generate a poor quality 30 second scene compared to the Nix version which took 20 hours to make the same scene but with far superior motion and effects which where usable in the movie where as the Windows version was not. Yes I know it's the software being used not the OS but Windows doesn't always have the better software. Windows has it's place but it's not the only OS on the planet that simply Just Works and you need to select the right tool for the job. I do however agree that for Accounting Programs Windows is the better OS at the moment though personally I think 8 as it currently stands is a backward step which may be cured by 8.1 but by then the damage may have already been done. Col

Slayer_
Slayer_

Though I suggest Mint 11. 12 uses the new Gnome desktop and its a fair bit clunkier and less stable than 11. 12 needs at least 1 gig of RAM to run, 11 runs fine with 256mb. Also, stop grave digging.

jackie40d
jackie40d

How hard is it to install a O/S geez took about 25 minutes to install on a Desktop and less on a Laptop and its LINUX ( Ubuntu 9.04 ) picked up the broad band modem and ran with it . . NO software needed picked up the internal WiFi hardware and installed it . . Then if you want to run windblows add Virtual Box very simple to run even a Biker could do it ( they need pictures LMAO )

autograph
autograph

Well, Can we all just hand back for a second and recognise that this thread has degenerated into the familiar "My grass is greener" debate. Surely we have all seen that this type of so called discussion gets nobody anywhere very quickly. The simple answer to the gist of the thread is that Windows is now symbiotically embedded into modern business practice. Linux is touted as more secure and free from the evils of Mr Gates. Whilst those of us with an Apple or two clearly belong to the classier side of town. Hold on a second here y'all, operating systems ALL have their places. What is needed is translation packeages/interfaces that enable familiarity with one to be caried over to the next. After all, would you call your neighbour dumb if you could not understand what he was trying to tell you!! Grow up!!!

Slayer_
Slayer_

My email address is real lol. Email it and I'll even respond lol. It does take a heavy dose of spam though so don't be supprised if it goes to the junk folder and I never noticed it. How could I register with a fake email? lol

Neon Samurai
Neon Samurai

What distribution is giving you grief with bluetooth and the fingerprint scanner? I had the fp scanner detect under Mandriva 2008.1 though I didn't poke around for a reader app. You're probably looking for something related like "linux pam fingerprint scanner". I'll have to try tapping my bluetooth headset into my desktop. It works perfectly with Maemo Linux though as I use it with skype all the time that way.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

"...a website that asks you questions and checks your system and figures out the right Distro for you, would certainly be handy." May I recommend the Linux Distribution Chooser? I visit this occasionally for grins and giggles. http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php Click "Take the test", in green at the bottom. It won't check your hardware, but if you answer the questions you'll get three or four recommended distros. From there you could go to each one's web site and look for it's hardware compatibility list. (Some may say checking an HCL is a lot of work; many Windows XP users would have save themselves a lot of grief if they had checked the Vista HCL before upgrading.)

j-mart
j-mart

Picking the tool that is up to the job is the secret to making the computing experience as simple and trouble free as it can be. If the old machine you have is all you need to do a particular task only a fool would bother to upgrade an spend time making something else do a job that's already all that you need. I have a couple of older plotters that always go best with win95 /win98 The machines were in their prime when these OS's were the mainstream, best drivers for these OS's. Of course will run on latter OS's but it has not been worth it for manufacturer to put too much effort into old stuff as they want to sell you their better newer models. Pointless for me to upgrade as older plotters do more than I need as it is. old = simple I run Linux on my general purpose web browsing /movie - video watching machine built from Linux friendly hardware to keep it simple, don't have to spend the time I would need keeping it secure as I would with XP set it up runs well whenever I wish to use it. At work my employer provides me with a high end machine running 64 bit XP pro and Solid Works software windows seems to struggle when made to work hard due to inefficient memory usage more ram the better which is why required to go to 64bit OS. XP 64bit seems a bit "Beta" when compared with Debian stable 64bit but it's the best available tool for the job and it's what I'm paid to use. My current home project is setting up a recording studio. There are many commercial windows applications. If money was no object out could come the cheque book up and running quickly. With limited funds the open source Linux alternatives is my better choice of tool for the job. the price I pay, it will take me awhile to get it all up and running and as have found out so far I have a steep learning curve ahead, but in my case the challenge is part of the fun.

Tearat
Tearat

Are speaking for yourself What were you doing generalizing before? No I do not want an answer I don?t care what you use But don?t try and stop others from choosing Your posts looked like you were claming others would have the problems That will help them to decide wont it

apotheon
apotheon

"[i]I don't mind objective analysis, but what usually happens is exactly what this topic does. This is even worse than the Vista vs XP threads. How much bigger of a turnoff can you have then users like those that post here flat out arguing and direct insults to other users.[/i]" Yeah -- I didn't like your, and dcolbert's, behavior much either. Fanboys suck. "[i]Lots of Linux people are really nice, I have spoked with many of them that tried to get my system up and running. Apon failing they even admited to saying that my dated hardware was better suited to using an older Windows system. Now that's bold honesty that I appreciate.[/i]" When you begin the discussion with something like "I need help -- here's the problem," you tend to get friendly help from the open source community. When you join the discussion talking about how "Linux doesn't work," you should expect people to correct your misconceptions. "[i]There are too many versions, people complain about Vista having so many editions, have you seen Linux???[/i]" With Linux distributions, there's variety in terms of initial setup and core system management tools (e.g., software management tools). With MS Windows, there's just restricted functionality unless you pay more. MS Windows doesn't give you options: it takes them away, and holds them for ransom. "[i]How is anyone switching supposed to figure this out?[/i]" Ask. Pay the most attention to the people who have something more substantial to say than "This is the best!", and who are willing to tell you about the circumstances in which each of several different distributions would be best. A good hint that you're going to get a helpful response is when someone asks what kind of uses you want for your system before telling you what you [b]should[/b] use. "[i]a website that asks you questions and checks your system and figures out the right Distro for you, would certainly be handy.[/i]" Hmm -- maybe I should do something like that, just as soon as I'm done with a couple other programming projects. "[i]It does not improve my computing experience[/i]" I'm going to tell you a short story about how I discovered that using a Unix-like system improved my user experience: I started using a Linux system years ago because I needed to learn Linux for work. After some initial screwing around with SuSE, and experimentation with a couple other distributions, I got a Debian GNU/Linux desktop system set up at my desk, with a KVM switch so I could swap between it and my primary MS Windows system. The Debian system was on a four year old box, the MS Windows system was one year old and blew the specs on the older system out of the water. I gradually used the Debian system more and more, and the MS Windows system less and less. It took me about a week to realize that, for most purposes, my Debian box (three years older and much poorer specs) outperformed my Win2k box significantly -- despite the fact that I was an obsessive system optimizer on MS Windows at the time (to the point of actually turning off the desktop process because I had no use for desktop icons and didn't want the additional process overhead) and knew basically [b]nothing[/b] about system configuration on Debian yet. Still, MS Windows was what I was used to, so it's what I used most. Then, there was a hurricane, and power was out for something like fourteen hours. This went well beyond the life of my UPSes, so I turned off both computers. When power came back on, I turned on the Debian machine first, because I had some work to do that involved that machine. A couple months later, I realized I still hadn't bothered to boot my MS Windows machine at all -- and I realized it because I wanted to test some Web development in IE to make sure everything worked. It wasn't like I needed MS Windows per se. On future occasions when I've had to work with MS Windows for some reason (such as when testing Google Chrome, for a recent example), I find myself missing a lot of things to which I've become accustomed on Unix-like systems. I miss multiple workspaces; I miss more comprehensively keyboard driven GUI environments with customizable keyboard shortcuts; I miss the ability to get under the hood of my system more easily (e.g., switch to a TTY console to kill the Firefox process because I have 250 tabs open and it has stopped responding); I miss the fact that a crashed GUI doesn't crash the whole OS on a Unix-like system; I miss tools like [url=http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=477][b]portaudit[/b][/url]; I miss having irb available at all times; I miss the comprehensive documentation of manpages and the FreeBSD Handbook; I miss the flexibility of system administration that comes with [b]su[/b] in a terminal emulator; I miss the easy accessibility of some of the best security tools available (such as OpenSSH); I miss timely updates; I miss having a [b]good[/b] packet filtering firewall; and so on. I'll stop now -- I have to go buy a power supply unit for a computer, and the day is wasting away. The point is that using Unix-like OSes gradually improved my computing experience as I got used to them, and at first I didn't even notice. It is once I have gotten used to what it offers, and noticed that there isn't anything I really miss, that the benefits become not only more obvious when I find myself forced to work in an MS Windows environment, but downright frustrating. Even something as simple as highlight and middle click to copy and paste -- not a big deal at all, one might think -- becomes a major loss when it's gone. A couple of your points are decent points. A couple of them are not. A couple are just the sort of thing that changes once you become more accustomed to something other than MS Windows -- and it's probably only greater familiarity with MS Windows that gives you the impressions you have in those cases. . . . but use what you want to use. That's one of the great things about open source software: you always have a choice.

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

if you are willing to look for it. Searching Google for "linux windows command comparison" produces almost 2.5 million hits, with this one at the top: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/unix_for_dos_users.html Other links on the first page of results: http://dictionary.zdnet.com/definition/unix%252fdos+command+comparison.html http://rick.cogley.info/goodies/reference/linux-dos-command-equivalents.php BTW, how do you deal with the user that says "But it doesn't look right?" Just like the basic controls on every car are the same, the basic controls on every computer are the same. The "doesn't look right" complaint about the desktop is, to me, the equivalent of complaining because your last car had idiot lights and this one has gauges. edit: grammar

Slayer_
Slayer_

Because you seem to have it in your head that you MUST do everything in your power to piss me off.

jdclyde
jdclyde

MS intentionally tries to make their product NOT work with other products, so you and everyone you do business all have to purchase the same package. One person upgrades to the latest bloated version of office, and because they are not skilled in something as complicated as "save as", no one else can read their files or work with them.

apotheon
apotheon

Unix shells [b]are[/b] portable -- to OSes that aren't intentionally resistant to portability of software.

autograph
autograph

Your own examples both highlight and validate the very problems I was pointing to. What is needed is a portable but customisable shell that the user can work with irrespective of installed operating system. What you refer to as "Looking right" is not just about eye candy, but user orientation and therefore productivity in the workplace. With a customisable and portable interface the user can decide whether pretty lights or a power user interface are fit for their experience. And by the way this goes way beyond the desktop!

Brian Doe
Brian Doe

When a thread runs this long, it's bound to start including references to female body parts - even if accidentally! :) How titillating! ;) (Edit: Holy crap! It worked!) Hmmmm, let's see.... Boobies? Titties?

Tearat
Tearat

So what was the insult? Was it ?condescending, abrasive, aggressive, and hostile than you?? Or that he was saying you were worse than DC But if you were worse than DC who is such a pleasant well behaved person How bad could it be? Or is it because you agree with what he said about DC How nice You missed that one didn?t you

apotheon
apotheon

What exactly were my "blatant personal attacks" -- and why aren't you owning up to your own mistakes in the same vein before attacking others for perceived slights? I apologized for sinking to your level -- and you basically acted as though it was your due, and you did nothing wrong. While I certainly don't intend to make the same mistake again, and my chagrin over my moment of weakness is genuine, that doesn't mean I have to pretend you haven't behaved at least as badly. I took a look in the mirror and saw something familiar and unpleasant -- so I resolved to change it. Perhaps you should try doing the same.

Slayer_
Slayer_

I open his posts expecting mature content, and instead get blatant personal attacks. I suppose sometimes my expectations are too high for the Human race.

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

I'm amazed you did it with no mention of tatas.

jdclyde
jdclyde

how about, "Thanks for the mamories"? B-) Just had this discussion last night with a bud and his wife. It has been shown that when it comes to epic bresteses, all women are 0.39 seconds away from being lez. ;\

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

If apotheon upsets you, why allow him to do so by reading him? You're choosing to get piss off.

Tearat
Tearat

Have it in your head? ?Because you seem to have it in your head that you MUST do everything in your power to piss me off.? Like you care what results from the things you write Here is a question I may decide to answer yours if you get it right Ready Set Here it is Are you trying to piss everyone who has really used Linux right off? That?s the question I know that you may not see that some of what you wrote is worded just right to create offence Ubuntu is not so good a choice for Windows users Kubuntu with its KDE desktop GUI is better The stupid things you said were more about your choice of GUI than the Linux OS underneath Or they were about your choice of Linux based OS But the choice of K/Ubuntu may not be best for everyone How do you choose? Try them If the hardware does not work with one you like Replace the hardware with something that will Also don?t forget to check the builder and the chipmakers websites I would have never replied to any of your posts if you hadn?t been so wrong about so much and posted it in such a wrong way When most people first tried a computer they did not have many expectations They may have something they want to do but have no preferences how they want to do it except for some it must be easy But what some describe as easy would get a comment of something like ?lazy bugger? from most people That changes if you have used a computer If you are trying something new I suggest In old computer that has been wiped Install the OS and then just look around Do not make the mistake of trying to find or achieve anything Go through the menus and disk and see what you can find Pick something and learn about it, then another and so on Trying to do something or find something will just annoy you One of two things happen if you expect something One is success the other is failure These are obvious but some people need to hear them a lot before it sinks in One more thing I was mirroring most of what you were doing how many times do I need to say it It does seem to annoy some people when you do that The generalizing is fun ?Linux sucks because it?s not Windows? ?Windows sucks because it?s not Linux? ?Why cant Linux be more like Windows? ?Why cant Windows be more like Linux? How good those are depends on what part of the OS you are comparing You may like this conversation between two people ?Windows is so easy. I buy the computer and turn it on and there it is ready to go? ?Go where?? ?I don?t know. I just know it does what I want? ?What do you want to do?? ?I don?t know. Things? ?So you don?t know how to use a computer a all. Window is the best choice for YOU to do things on. But Linux does those things better? ?What things? ?I don?t know. What things were you talking about?? ?It doesn?t do the things I am talking about better? ?How would you know you don?t know what you are talking about except its something that you want to do on a computer? Some of the stuff people write is so wrong about both Windows and Linux its hard not to fall off the chair from laughing Then once you climb back on the chair try not to look at their Job Role You could end up back on the floor There is no power to be had on a forum that people do not have to visit But it is interesting that I can affect the life of someone halfway round the world AND they let me do it You don?t have to read any of this I do wonder if you did read some of the posts from others and me before you hit the Post a Reply button Bye

santeewelding
santeewelding

That this means my 1993 Shorter OED has to go, too. Oh well, I was looking for an excuse for, what, the Fifth Edition? That must be where both you eminences are getting these.

boxfiddler
boxfiddler

that a sub-thread in a Windows vs. Linux discussion got to badoinkies. Been waiting for this since 2002. B-)

santeewelding
santeewelding

"gazongas" Just when I thought I knew everything there was to know. Time to replace my Ninth Collegiate, 1984, which was the replacement for my 1968. Besides, one of the "m" pages keeps falling out. Gazongas. I'll write that one down.

apotheon
apotheon

Is Titania's name off-limits? Well, that worked. How about titanium -- which doesn't have a capital letter in it? Strange. It's specifically limited to uses of those three letters that are commonly employed as slang for gazongas.

jdclyde
jdclyde

"Mommy parts" B-) t1t is a banned word....

apotheon
apotheon

I love the fact that the top image in the Wikipedia article is the Great Tit.

santeewelding
santeewelding

I follow you both, moreso Apotheon -- he for some years in his largely Sterling manner, but base in other regards. You, Sinister, I don't know enough about, other than to sense a humanity which keeps you safe from the edge. I would counsel only that you pause, as you have, and reflect. Let go the tit for tat. What? I can't say "tit"?

Slayer_
Slayer_

Something human arogance will never let us believe who actually started it, but w/e I'm fine with your apology, I believe I have said something directly to you in only a couple posts, I will delete those if you delete those directly insulting me. (which is all ive wanted for the last few days)

apotheon
apotheon

"[i]don't believe in flaming on public forums[/i]" For someone who doesn't believe in doing something, you sure did a fair bit of it. Perhaps your use of the "Idiot!" as a comment title should give you a clue that your character is not so unimpeachable as you think. "[i]Even when I try to point out to them, and ask them to apolgize to me, they are above apologize and feel they need to flame me more.[/i]" Calling people names and demanding respect you don't deserve isn't a great way to get people to apologize to you. "[i]Where is tech repbulics contact info, this abuse is going to stop![/i]" Please report your own abuses as well. edit: So . . . you want an apology. Here it is. I apologize for stooping to your level on a couple of occasions. Regardless of the reprehensible, insulting, self-centered behavior you may exhibit, and regardless of your hypocrisy, there is no excuse for my having gotten into the mud and fought on your level, no matter how briefly. I am shamed to have been so easily dragged into your personal brand of schoolyard squabbling. I hope the general run of readers here at TR will accept this apology. I hope I have not permanently damaged my reputation. I also hope you find it within yourself to realize that every accusation you have made against me and others in this dicussion applies at least as strongly to yourself, and that you will be able to rise above your own previous mistakes. If not, however, I will make an effort to avoid joining you in such behavior in the future. This is my declaration of my intent to turn over a new leaf, as it were.

apotheon
apotheon

"[i]Whats really stupid is if you guys would just say something like 'I am sorry you had a bad experience with Linux, perhaps try a different distrobution such as [insert here] or try back in a year or so and maybe it will be better for you.'[/i]" Let's paraphrase the discussion so far (and shorten it a bit). [b]you:[/b] "Linux sucks! It's not usable! Winderz is better!" [b]others:[/b] "If you'd just tell us what your problem is, maybe we can help you. Otherwise, I think we'll just have to assume you're trolling. Are you trolling?" [b]you again:[/b] "This is why Linux will never Win The War! You Linux fanboys are all evil meanies! You just called me a troll -- what's your problem? Sheesh!" [b]others again:[/b] (throw hands in air, in frustration) "Stop being a troll! Say something reasonable! What are you -- twelve years old? I have better things to do than play your silly games."

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