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Steve Jobs sounds off on Android, BlackBerry, and 7-inch tablets

Steve Jobs was a surprise guest on Apple's quarterly earnings call on Monday and he took the opportunity to pick apart Apple's competitors and reiterate Apple's product philosophy.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs made a surprise appearance at the company's quarterly earnings call on Monday afternoon and he used it as a soap box to pick apart Apple's competitors and reiterate Apple's position in the market along with its approach to building products.

Jobs said, "As most of you know, I usually don't participate in Apple earnings calls... But I just couldn't help dropping by for our first $20 billion quarter. I would like to chat about a few things."

Here is a selection of the most poignant quotes from Jobs on the call, organized into the five main topics:

1. Jobs on BlackBerry

"We sold 14.1 million iPhones in the quarter, which represents 91% unit growth over the year-ago quarter, and was well ahead of IDC's latest published estimate of 64% growth for the global smartphone market in the September quarter. And it handily beats RIM's 12.1 million BlackBerrys sold, in their most recent quarter ending in August. We've now passed RIM. And I don't see them catching up with us in the foreseeable future. They must move beyond their area of strength and comfort, into the unfamiliar territory of trying to become a software platform company. I think it's going to be a challenge for them to create a competitive platform and to convince developers to create apps for yet a third software platform after iOS and Android. With 300,000 apps on Apple's App Store, RIM has a high mountain ahead of them to climb."

2. Jobs on Android

"Last week, Eric Schmidt reiterated that they are activating 200,000 Android devices per day, and have around 90,000 apps in their app store. For comparison, Apple has activated around 275,000 iOS devices per day on average for the past 30 days, with a peak of almost 300,000 iOS devices per day on a few of those days...

"Unfortunately, there is no solid data on how many Android phones are shipped each quarter. We hope that manufacturers will soon start reporting the number of Android handsets they ship each quarter, but today that just isn't the case. Gartner reported that about 10 million Android phones were shipped in the June quarter, and we await to see if iPhone or Android was the winner in this most recent quarter...

"Twitter client [TweetDeck] recently launched their app for Android. They reported that they had to contend with more than a hundred different versions of Android software on 244 different handsets. The multiple hardware and software iterations present developers with a daunting challenge. Many Android apps work only on selected Android handsets, running selected Android versions. And this is for handsets that have been shipped less than 12 months ago. Compare this with iPhone, where there are two versions of the software, the current and the most recent predecessor, to test against."

3. Jobs on 'open' verses 'closed'

"Google loves to characterize Android as 'open,' and iOS and iPhone as 'closed.' We find this a bit disingenuous, and clouding the real difference between our two approaches... In reality, we think the open versus closed argument is just a smokescreen to try and hide the real issue, which is, 'What's best for the customer - fragmented versus integrated?' We think Android is very, very fragmented, and becoming more fragmented by the day. And as you know, Apple strives for the integrated model so that the user isn't forced to be the systems integrator. We see tremendous value at having Apple, rather than our users, be the systems integrator. We think this a huge strength of our approach compared to Google's. When selling the users who want their devices to just work, we believe that integrated will trump fragmented every time.

"And we also think that our developers could be more innovative if they can target a singular platform, rather than a hundred variants. They can put their time into innovative new features, rather than testing on hundreds of different handsets. So we are very committed to the integrated approach, no matter how many times Google tries to characterize it as 'closed.' And we are confident that it will triumph over Google's fragmented approach, no matter how many times Google tries to characterize it as 'open.'"

4. Jobs on 7-inch tablets

"I'd like to comment on the 'avalanche' of tablets poised to enter the market in the coming months. First, it appears to be just a handful of credible entrants, not exactly an avalanche. Second, almost all of them use 7-inch screens, as compared to iPad's near 10-inch screens. Let's start there. One naturally thinks that a 7-inch screen would offer 70 percent of the benefits of a 10-inch screen. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. The screen measurements are diagonal, so that a 7-inch screen is only 45 percent as large as iPad's 10-inch screen...

"The seven-inch tablets are tweeners: too big to compete with a smartphone, and too small to compete with an iPad... Almost all of these new tablets use Android software, but even Google is telling the tablet manufacturers not to use their current release -- Froyo -- for tablets, and to wait for a special tablet release next year. What does it mean when your software supplier says not to use their software in your tablet, and what does this mean when you ignore them and use it anyway?"

"Our potential competitors are having a tough time coming close to iPad's pricing, even with their far smaller, far less expensive screens. The iPad incorporates everything we've learned about building high-value products, from iPhones, iPods and Macs. We create our own A4 chip, our own software, our own battery chemistry, our own enclosure, our own everything. And this results in an incredible product at a great price. The proof of this will be in the pricing of our competitors' products, which will likely offer less, for more. These are among the reasons that we think that the current crop of 7-inch tablets are going to be DOA -- Dead on Arrival. Their manufacturers will learn the painful lesson that their tablets are too small, and increase the size next year, thereby abandoning both customers and developers who jumped on the seven-inch bandwagon with an orphaned product."

4. Jobs on iPad

"The iPad is clearly gonna affect notebook computers. And I think the iPad proves it's not a question of if, it's a question of when. And there's I think a lot of development and progress over the next few years. But we're already seeing tremendous interest in iPad from education and, much to my surprise, from business. We haven't pushed it real hard in business, and it's being grabbed out of our hands. And I talk to people every day in business, in all kinds of businesses, that are using iPads. All the way from boards of directors that are shipping iPads around instead of board books, down to nurses and doctors and hospitals, and other large and small businesses.

"So the more time that passes, the more I am convinced that we've got a tiger by the tail here, and this is a new model of computing which, you know, we've already got tens of millions of people already trained on with the iPhone. And that lends itself to lots of different aspects of life, both personal, educational, and business. So I see it as very general purpose, and I see it as really big. And the timing, one could argue about the timing endlessly, but I don't think one could argue that it's gonna happen anymore."

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58 comments
Rob.Bosch
Rob.Bosch

He bites because he is scared. He feels the hot breath in his neck of the upcoming Android based devices. Not only smartphones, but also tablets.

ajit.malangi
ajit.malangi

What i love about Android is the fragmented nature of the platform. I hate the closed environment that apple have always used.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

It appears like Jobs was there to refresh the Koolaid for his employees who are realizing that everyone isn't using i-Phones, as they were told they would. His first falacy is in his comments about RIM: Apple has sold more devices....so? Just because people WITH a blackberry have STAYED with their BLackberry and RIM STILL has a far greater, Global OS market penetration than Apple, that is to be ignored, Apple just sold more devices. How many were to existing Appleheads who will buy anything with the logo on it? He speaks in GLOBAL terms as if they owned the global market, as they do the US market. In the US Market, their penetration is about 50%, however on a a global market their OS sits with a meager, 14%, lagging behind Symbian, RIM and Android. However, now his minions of brainwashed staff will start boasting about how Apple is light years ahead of RIM in sales. He also ignores that the fact more i-Phones sell now is because they are jailbroken (the Apple fell from the tree)and people can do what they want with them now. Again with Android, he continues to speak in terms of hardware sales, and not in what OS people are actually using. The margin is also not much to brag about and is very similar, even though Android has far greater global smartphone OS penetration than the i-OS. More BS for the troops to repeat endlessly as if they have a point. He continues his senseless brainwashing by spouting off open vs closed OS. [/u]When selling the users who want their devices to just work, we believe that integrated will trump fragmented every time.[/i] If you look at the global OS stats, that's what they prove too....oh, no they don't, hang on, it seems more people PREFER an open OS. A LOT more people in fact. That's why they have less than 30% of Android's OS sales for 2010 so far. He goes on to talk about upcoming tablets from competitors, as if Apple built the first one and didn't just make a far cheaper version of a superior product that's been out for years already. I'll agree, Apple does make cheaper, knock-offs for the mainstream consumer. Another competitor, which has has apparently ignored in his comment, is X2 who's i-Tablet offers 10.2" AND 12" choices but I suppose he felt that's not worth mentioning in front of the kids. X2's prioduct does a LOT more than i_pad and offers better connectivity too. We don't need to talk about superior devices though, just those we can make assumptions about an guess what their shortcomings may be. His comments on business use are yet to be seen, and I will suggest quite premature. Many companies have expressed interest in them with me too, but so far nobody has adopted them in place of superior tablets that meet their real business needs. As for medical applications, again Jobs needs to remember the world is a big place, you might be able to use them on some hospitals but there are none in this province that can legally use them, who knows about medical device regulations in other countries. Just the power supply itself would see the i-Pad fail to meet standards here. Just like WalMart, really the troops in the morning, sing hallelujah, give three cheers for WallyWorld and the sheep stay in flock for another day, delusional or not, they are at least singing the same company tune.

Gis Bun
Gis Bun

Oh ya. what Jobs has failed to mention is that since the iPhone inception, the iPhone has never reach 10 million units in a fiscal quarter. RIM's BlackBerries has.

Gis Bun
Gis Bun

Shows once again that Jobs thinks he's God and everything else is secondary. He does has some type of messiah complex. Now I'm sure he'll find a way to get all the fanbois and fangurls to pledge to some type of allegiance or sing a new Apple anthem every morning before using their gadgets. Maybe even promise to name their offspring after him. Steve, Stevie, Stephen, Steven, Stephanie, Stefan, .... I mean what head of a company decides to be a "surprise" guest at an earning meeting and picks at the competitors? I guess he failed to mention in his "report" that his desktop and notebook sales [assuming the iPad isn't a notebook] has flatlined. They probably make a huger profit on their overpriced PCs than their over-priced gadgets but the latter are selling.

Yam Digger
Yam Digger

...bragging, pompous, arragant wind-bag you are Mr. Jobs. Oh by the way; As the CEO, you're SUPPOSED to take part in your companies earnings conference every quarter...but I degress. Currently, I own an iPhone 3GS (jailbroken of course), but I'm just waiting for the Android OS and phones to mature a bit and then I'll be jumping ship; And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only iPhone owner who's watching Steve's competition closely. I'm also keeping an eye on Window Mobile 7 to see what becomes of it too. If I were you, Steve, I wouldn't be so over confident about my market share going forward. Besides, how are you so sure that I wouldn't prefer a 7 inch tablet over a 10 inch?

khumaer
khumaer

WOW but No, THANKs! Opensource is the key to better development. Technology survives and revives and thrives when it is shared.Some how Mr.Steve Jobs's remarks remind me of Edison and his DC current. Khumaersingh

BillGates_z
BillGates_z

Like most self serving gasbags, in my place he comes with an off switch.

lmassey
lmassey

Fabulous!! I am a huge fan of Steve Jobs and love every word of this article. Thanks, Jason, for posting.

nriddle
nriddle

I rarely, if ever, agree with Jobs. But this time, he nailed everything perfectly. Of course he had added his own spin to the open/closed/integrated/fragmented argument but in general he was right. Developers reach more users when targeting the iPhone. I, like him, am surprised at how much businesses are seeking the iPad. And as an Andriod OS fan, I'm worried that Andriod is too far behind and the manufactures of the new 7inch'ers are going to ruin Andriods tablet reputation before it even should start.

Tommy S.
Tommy S.

''We see tremendous value at having Apple, rather than our users, be the systems integrator. We think this a huge strength of our approach compared to Google?s. When selling the users who want their devices to just work, we believe that integrated will trump fragmented every time.'' The best way to milk the client.

The 'G-Man.'
The 'G-Man.'

Apple shares fall 6% in after-hours trading post Job's rant

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

It seems that, despite Jobs' excitement about hardware sales (after releasing new hardware), there are still far more people using Android than iOS.

todd.beaubien
todd.beaubien

14.1 million iPhone 4s sold last quarter....

todd.beaubien
todd.beaubien

Apple sold 3.89 million Macs during the quarter, a 27 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter. So, basically, you're completely wrong there.

Wheezey
Wheezey

I currently use the iPhone; primarily business. Same as you Yam Digger, I too am keeping a watch on M$'s new phone attempt. Yes we all know M$ fubar'd other attempts in the mobility game, and yes they are a late contender, but that's what M$ is! When have they been the "Top Notch" on non-OS product? (Hypothetical for a point). I'm curious to see what those sneaky devs and software dopplegangers creat to get back in full contention. On a separate note, Microsoft and ATT are becoming extremely buddy buddy. So even though iPhone is primarily an ATT product, there's a lot in ATT's goody bag that will really push new Windows products. (I'm looking forward to my new "Cloud" and have a security suite that works hand in hand with AD. Thanks ATT and M$!)

sboverie
sboverie

Edison was in on the ground floor for producing electricity for consumers. He pushed using DC power in the home. His rival was Westinghouse pushing AC power with help from Tesla. Edison called AC power as unsafe and would stage demonstrations of electrocuting dogs and other animals using AC. Edison lost the power war because AC is easier and more efficient to transfer from generating plant to the home; DC has a short range and the generator has to be close to the home. AC is more dangerous than DC; but the benefits of AC outweighed those of DC. The parallels only go so far. Technology and current issues are different. I prefer a more open sourced computer and I prefer to customize it according to my tastes and not have my entire computing experience controlled by someone else.

Shepps
Shepps

What did Edison do with D.C. current then?

Deefburger
Deefburger

The guy knows his stuff, good insights to the future of the technology. I wouldn't say Android is fragmented though. It works on more hardware and across more systems and carriers than Apple. Also, it's easier to modify, and that is adding performance enhancements in the field that Google never saw coming. There is a major advantage to having a hackable OS on different machines. Just look at what happened with clone PCs. My daughter has iPhone and I have EVO rooted with BakedSnack ROM...today. Maybe a different ROM tomorrow. Depends on my mood.

rbosgood
rbosgood

I have had a Droid X since July and it just works. I am a sysadmin and I have found every tool I need in the android market. I also have a media player that just works, I have a choice of about a dozen media players. I have choices about almost any aspect of the phone I like. I also have to carry an Iphone for my job. It stays in my back pack and I just forward the calls to my droid. When I have to look at a event log, bigger screen is better.

rbosgood
rbosgood

To me, the biggest thing that Apple did right was get the media behind them. I see there name pretty much every day. Every time Jobs speaks there is media coverage. Every talk show pundit has an Iphone and is all excited about what ever the next release is. How many times have you heard about the Verizon announcment? Without this free constant advertising I doubt they would be doing this well. Also.. if 10 inches is better than 7, then is my Droid X 4.3 inch screen or an EVO 4.3 inc screen exponentially better than their 3.5 inch screen???

mark
mark

When he comes out and starts bashing the competetion it sounds like a worried politician. The only time people give this much attention to a situation is when they become concerned. Watch as the open source community proves him wrong AGAIN! I like others am waiting for Apple to release the code for the changes they made to OPEN SOURCE software. Cheating control freek! Just like a worried politician!

Stalemate
Stalemate

...when Apple's marketing strategy will be something different than comparisons with the competition, and statistics juggling. FUD is no longer Microsoft exclusive I see. That said, and despite their products being quality, Jobs is making the same mistake he's been making since the 80s: proprietary hardware / software distribution systems. Customers (like me) who prefer solutions and systems that are not paternalistic towards them, or who are even just a little bit tech savvy, will probably tend to opt for the companies that offer them flexibility and choice. Apple should enjoy its current success and concentrate on offering more than trendy gadgets. Perhaps then they'd be considered something more than "an alternative". And for the love of Torvalds - get onto the open source bandwagon and give back to the linux community a little something in exchange for their using BSD code in "creating" their current OS.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

and hopefully a last. I wonder how many people that work with Jobs wish he would just take his money and go on a LOOOOOOONG vacation and leave them to run the company to run properly. It's like a Nazi rally, in that thousands lined the streets and cheer, the fanfare and energy is high, then HE get's on the podium and screams over his little mustache, barking up spittle at them for 20 minutes before letting them get back to their lives again. Jobs, Hitler, well its a stretch but in this case I'll agree that a Nazi rally and Apple seem very much one and the same in many respects. Maybe it's more communism and instead of Mac fanboys they are merely modern day Marxists. :D Either way, mon furer has addressed the troops and they will respond accordingly. Sig Heil!

cathy195
cathy195

Maybe one reason for the high number of iphones being sold is because after 2 years the batteries are needing replacement, and iphone users can't just pop in a replacement. they have to pay exorbitant prices to have apple do it for them, so it makes more sense to just buy another phone. Unfortunately they are now locked into the walled garden of apple's itunes eco-system, so for most it's easier to just stay with the devil they know. Apple aren't growing market share, they're re-counting their original customers every time they replace a product

JamesRL
JamesRL

Not as popular for farmers as potatoes, but growing in popularity. Since they store well, I usually only see Ontario yams at our supermarket, except for these Jamaican purple sweeties. I tried them and my wife preferred the local so thats what we use. Edited to add: We had sweet potatoes for our Thanksgiving a couple of weeks back, while we were camping. We used the bacon grease, left over bacon cut up into small shreds, and maple syrup to add some flavour.

jasondlnd
jasondlnd

Everything runs on DC. Computers, clocks, microwaves, you name it. Battery operated devices? those work on DC, too. Case in point: If you have ever plugged in a laptop, you may have noticed a very large plug or a "power brick" on the line. That's an AC to DC converter. AC to DC converters don't have to be external, though; they can be internal and even integrated onto the mainboard of a product. AC is mainly used in the United States, due to the need to carry power over longer distances. Once it reaches its destination however, it has to be converted to DC to become "functional" energy. Sadly, a lot of energy is lost in the AC to DC conversion, which is why devices, including laptop "power bricks" heat up so rapidly while in use.

Regulator1956
Regulator1956

Edison was a windbag about DC. No matter how many people (and animals) died, he was all about DC current. Fortunately, Westinghouse won the day with AC current. DC is awesome stuff, and is in use not just for batteries, but for large distribution, though the world is a much better place with AC.

rbosgood
rbosgood

Every time they (Apple) do anything there is a news segment about it. Who else gets this kind of free advertising. I am sure if every time VW changed something on their Jeta's that we had a news story about it, it may come to mind sooner when we think of cars to buy.

ScarF
ScarF

Reading your post about how mass media is hunting every of his gestures, a thought came into my mind: Steve Jobs is the IT's Paris Hilton.

mail.dave
mail.dave

Oh no, Linux-as-panacea ? ;-) Still not ready for Grandma. As for Apple's contributions (like them or not that's a separate matter): bonjour (Apple's mDNS implementation) for zerconf webkit/khtml CUPS

nwallette
nwallette

I'm a PC guy... a Linux guy even... but to Apple: Respect. Their computers are stacked. It's not a simple task finding PC components that are as stable as Apple's hardware. They pick quality components, and the electronics in between are engineered very well. If you're tech savvy, the Apple software environment is not as closed as it would seem. As you mentioned, their PC OS is based on BSD. I'm not at all familiar with OS X, but the other day I had to use it. I found the terminal and was right at home mounting drives and getting things done. I get more flustered trying to accomplish tasks on Windows, which I use *every* *day*. (Type 'grep' on a Windows box. Nada.) iOS can be jailbroken. I know, it's not a business-friendly method, but if it's your personal phone and you want to tinker, nothing's stopping you. All the power you want, right there. Trendy it may be, but I have found no end of uses for my iPhone. Yep, some are games, but "useful" apps outnumber games big time. Network tools, creative stuff, audio tools (I still grin that I have a spectrum analyzer and SPL meter on my PHONE..) I haven't jailbroken mine because, as of yet, I haven't really had the need. As far as giving back to the community... Ever heard of WebKit? Previously known as KHTML, the KDE rendering enginer used by Konqueror. Apple took it, enhanced it for Safari, then released it as WebKit. Now, QT (the dev libs, not QuickTime), Chrome, and RIM are using it. The last time I built KDE, guess which rendering engine was compiled in? Sorry dude, you're off base on this one. Like 'em or not, Apple is doing alright here. I'd love to have the freedom, out of the box, to install whatever I want, but a part of me also likes this critical piece of technology that I depend on daily, to work. And for the software to work, having known and well-tested hardware behind it. Android doesn't have that, at least not yet. If Google had kept the Nexus, at least there would have been a reference platform.

acotgreave
acotgreave

I'm no Apple fanboy. You say Jobs is making the same mistakes he's always made. I'm sorry, but how can someone who's company has just about the biggest market cap. in the world have been making mistakes for 20yrs? I am flabbergasted that a fashion/technology/design company is so large; I think it says something scary about our society. However, just because you don't buy into Apple, the fact that so many millions of other people do makes it clear that Apple got something very right.

The 'G-Man.'
The 'G-Man.'

For looking at the man it is clear that not all is well with his health.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

They release a new, better, faster device and the minions have no choice but to follow. But next time, please don't say i-Tu***, it makes my skin crawl. May as well just stuff cotton in your ears before listening to your music. :)

Yam Digger
Yam Digger

Although I currently live in Toronto, I'm originally from the Caribean island if Jamaica were yellow yam is a popular staple, especially among the working poor. Someone that we would call a "yam digger" is one who is very hard working, tough, and perhaps a little crusty too. Cultivating yellow yam is hard work. The sucker is planted above ground in rather large mound of soil. The vine itself is secured to a long stick near the mound. When ready for reaping, the farmer will dig the yam out of the mound. A typical mound is about 6 feet across and 3 feet high. Its done this way because yellow yam tubers are very large and trying to dig them out the ground would be very difficult. I think yellow yam is originally from Africa, but I could be wrong about this. I gave my self this handle in homage to my Jamaican roots. Yam Digger

Juanita Marquez
Juanita Marquez

Crop rotation is good. They may also want to try sunflowers, which are actually used to pull toxins out of the soil and have been used near Chernobyl for that purpose. I was reading about how the US subsidizes corn and soybeans for fuel and various other purposes, and how a large portion of those crops are genetically modified and the subsequent processing (into high fructose corn syrup, which is put into EVERYTHING) is very possibly a major problem with increasing obesity, 2nd-generation animal sterility and glucose spikes. The article suggested that the government subsidize other vegetables and put them into more urban/less moneyed areas where children can have more access to NUTRITIOUS foodstuffs. I thought it was a good idea as well. Sweet potato pie is very similar to pumpkin pie, imo, and I like both of them.

JamesRL
JamesRL

I don't think I've tried the other kind though I've seen them in supermarkets. I've never had sweet potatoe pie. Sweet potato french fries are on a lot of trendy menues here these days. There are some farmers trying to grow them in the area of Souther Ontario where I grew up. There are lots of fields that used to be used for tobacco, so people are trying all kinds of crops, peanuts, sweet potatos and ginseng.

Juanita Marquez
Juanita Marquez

There is a difference, you know, the former being native to Africa and the other being a completely different and unrelated species, native to South America. But in the States at least, both terms tend to be hot-swappable when referencing the sweet potato (Ipomoea batatas). I loves me some sweet potato pie, mmm. I bet it would be good with maple syrup in the recipe... :D

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

How would you use a US blade in a UK socket? I know there are head adapters but they are only for devices that handle switching, unless of course she swapped the blade adapter but failed to flick the 100/220 switch on a cheap hairdryer, most are automatic now, as regulated by FCC, CE, UL and CSS.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

I guess I must too: As far as output voltages, more and more electronics manufacturers in the US are seeking up to 24V these days. 1-12V was SO 1990's. :D

Shepps
Shepps

...not only: "AC is mainly used in the United States", but for some bizarre reason it is supplied at a voltage that no other country in the world (is there one?) uses. So not only do you need AC/DC converters but you need AC/AC ones when visiting the states... aaaagh! Of course, we in the "rest of the world" get the last laugh, as our devices just seem to work with a limp or not at all, however many an American will have fried something or other when visiting us. Recently I heard that a friend of a friend had flames coming out of her hair-dryer when she accidentally plugged it DIRECTLY into the European mains... lol

nwallette
nwallette

AC is used mostly in the US? Can you name a country that uses DC as a means for mass distribution? Yeah, everything has to be converted from AC to DC, but that's a trivial task. The thing you forgot to mention is that for most tasks it also has to be converted from 110-240V to somewhere between 1 and 12V. Distributing DC over long distances is impractical. Physics' fault that AC just happens to work better there. Same for high-voltage. It works better for distribution. As a side note, going from DC to AC is relatively a pain in the butt. You can make DC out of AC with a couple diodes and maybe a capacitor to smooth the ripples. Generating AC from DC requires control circuitry to generate the sine waves. Down-conversion of voltage is also easy. A switching PSU or a transformer will do it nicely. (Depending on whether you value efficiency or simplicity of design.) Up-converting requires higher source current, which requires the distribution wiring to be heavier gauge than high-V, low-A of the same overall wattage. This, the US actually got wrong. We use 110V. We would use less current (yielding lower resistance, thus lower heat waste) if our distribution system was 220V. That's why machinery and server farms prefer high voltage, even when it's just down-converted at the device.

rbosgood
rbosgood

you may be on to something there :-)

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

You could just use the Search GUI and limit it to look for *.log files over 1 meg. Like you said, just an example.

nwallette
nwallette

But "find" lacks regex support. One of my typical sysadmin-y tasks is to check for log files that are growing abnormally. In Linux, I can search for lines in a directory listing that have numbers followed immediately by an "M" (over 1MB in size). No such luck with find. Obviously, like my original post, this is just a quick example of my point. Not the basis of my argument.

ScarF
ScarF

As there is no 'grep' command in DOS nor Windows, one may use with great success 'find' or 'findstr' in combination with the pipe ('|'). As in the following example: C:\>dir *.txt /s | find "syslog" 10/19/2010 04:19 PM 774 syslog1019201019.txt 10/19/2010 04:20 PM 8,483 syslog1019201020.txt 10/19/2010 04:21 PM 526 syslog1019201021.txt 10/19/2010 04:52 PM 34,379 syslog1019201052.txt 10/19/2010 04:53 PM 11,404 syslog1019201053.txt 10/19/2010 04:54 PM 464 syslog1019201054.txt 10/19/2010 04:56 PM 481 syslog1019201056.txt 10/19/2010 04:57 PM 5,861 syslog1019201057.txt 10/19/2010 04:58 PM 802 syslog1019201058.txt There is more than one way to accomplish something, and studying is mandatory.

krikit
krikit

It could be argued that it was the loss of control that made Apple products weaken. One of the first the Jobs did when he got back was take away the licenses to all the Mac clones that were giving Apple such a bad quality reputation. Another element given back to the community is the Darwin kernel that makes up OS X. Or more recently OpenCL which gives programmers a way of writing a program which utilizes the CPU and GPU. Or even more recently FaceTime which Apple has promised will be an open protocol.

Stalemate
Stalemate

"Their computers are stacked. It's not a simple task finding PC components that are as stable as Apple's hardware. They pick quality components, and the electronics in between are engineered very well." One would hope there's a reason for their prices, and I'll agree they do have quality hardware "out of the box". No commment on the iPad/AppleTV having nigh identical parts from me either, since neither of those is a computer per se. Why iPads are being tallied in Apple's sales as such is another matter altogether. "As far as giving back to the community... Ever heard of WebKit?" I had not, and stand corrected. Thanks for pointing that out.

jmcgarvey
jmcgarvey

He is referring to the fact that Apple's close circuit, proprietary hardware/software model is exactly what nearly killed the company. Apple was thrown a life line by MICROSOFT to keep them afloat, and the only thing that saved them was the iPod, not a computing platform. When he says its the same behavior that failed, he means it's the same behavior.

johnmckay
johnmckay

It's fine bringing the innovation to the market and has worked really well whilst they were primarily the sole supplier. I think that's the key point. I'm into openness and prefer Android from that perspective, but as I dont use itunes and dont use my phone much for music it's an easy decision form Business-wise I use a Blackberry and thats where I see the corporate challenge. I NEED my Outlook notes to synch and RIM provides all I want bar a decent internet service (in the main). I reckon RIM will esily retain the corporate market if they integrate their offering with the BES well. The ipad is still a consumer device, a very good one... but way too big for corporate use and lugging between meetings (as is a laptop in my oppinion). Something that integrates behind the firewall, has access to corporate services easily is what I need for business. Something with a secure browser, document editing, security, can read passworded pdfs and emails. So.. the market position today should be pretty well irrelevent to what it will be in 6 months. I think it'll be a really interesting time for us all.

Stalemate
Stalemate

"I am flabbergasted that a fashion/technology/design company is so large; I think it says something scary about our society." Nail -> head. Lady Gaga is selling millions of records also. That doesn't mean she's offering anything of quality nor lasting substance. ;) My first computers were Apple (starting with Apple IIc that I worked 2 summers to afford as a teenager). I used to "think different". Now, all I see is "think sales, and dumb it down for the masses". He should keep in mind why it was that Apple nearly sank in the mid-90s, before they invested so much into marketing.

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