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Enough already with arrogant analysts who give the "good ones" a bad name


You know one thing I love about being a "computer person?" No matter where I go, I usually meet people who like to talk about computers or technology in general.

You know one thing I hate about being a "computer person?" Same thing.  Everywhere I go, I meet people who want to talk about computers.  Like medical people who don't go to parties to talk about bunions, I don't always enjoy being approached in a social setting by someone who starts out saying, "Hey maybe you can tell me what's wrong with my computer..."

Don't ask me to cook in some hack's kitchen

Let me explain why I bring up the subject of casual/social consulting.  This past week, I wrestled with whether I should write about an episode of "IT arrogance" I had witnessed firsthand.  Then I got a phone call that made the decision for me.

A friend of mine couldn't wait for us to get together socially.  She called me at my work (where I'm consulting) from her place of work to ask if I could help fix her computer.  "Well, that depends," I said.

"I was hoping you could tell me how to set up my email," she said.

"Mm-kay.  That's an unusual request. What's going on?"

To sum up, her computer had contracted a virus a week before.  Her employer's in-house help desk person tried without success to remove the virus, which had not spread beyond her machine on the network. After four business days without a computer, they gave up on the infected machine and bought my friend a new computer.

Two days after the arrival of the new computer, my friend still had no email.  She said she was falling behind in her work, and she was frustrated because she had to borrow someone else's machine any time she needed to check or send email.

(I know where my friend works.  She is one of about 40 full-time employees.  They have one person whose duties include "IT support" in addition to some marketing and sales duties.)

I said, "I would love to help you, but there's no way I can talk you through installing email on your machine, since it isn't my network.  Your IT person would have a cow!"  (The truth is, I don't mind cleaning up after someone else's mess, but it usually happens after the "bad" IT person has been fired and I get called in as a consultant.)

My friend was despondent.  She was clearly at the end of her rope, so frustrated by the lack of support by her own "computer person" that she felt compelled to call a friend outside the company to try and resolve her issues.

I said, "When you ask about it, what does your IT person say?" 

"I don't have time right now." "Everybody else's email is working."  "I'll try to get to it."

Folks, I thought that kind of "IT arrogance" went out of style in the mid-1990s.  Apparently I was mistaken.

We got your new printers, but good luck installing them!

The "IT arrogance" I witnessed firsthand was even worse.  At the company where I consult, two fancy-schmancy fax/printer/scanner/copier devices were wheeled by the Tech Support crew into the spots where a couple of plain-old printers used to reside.  The users (customers) were ecstatic.  "What are they named, Charlie?" I heard one of the users ask. ("Charlie" is not the real name of the analyst.)

"Oh, I don't know, you'll find them."

"OH I DON'T KNOW, YOU'LL FIND THEM."  "OH I DON'T KNOW, YOU'LL FIND THEM."

"But I already printed two documents to the old printer.  Where'd they go?" one customer asked. "Well that printer's down on the second floor, so I guess you'll have go to find it yourself," the technician said, laughing. 

I was shocked at the arrogance, the nonchalance, the sheer audacity of this alleged "professional" person.  (cue theme from 'Rocky') Because if it were my shop and they were my customers, I would have (a) labeled the printers clearly with IP addresses or device names as soon as they were installed, and (b) quickly and cheerfully told my users how to access their fancy new printers.

But no.  The tech and his assistant disappeared to perform their next task, while we all scurried back to our PCs to look under Printers and Faxes for some sign of the new printers.

Once we finally discovered which obscure text descriptions matched the machines on our floor, we were able to print.  But we couldn't fax, and we couldn't scan images.  Why? The email database had not been ported over (or re-keyed) from the old printers into the new ones. And the Address Book function was locked!  It took two days of emailing and calling Tech Support to get someone BACK up to re-enter the addresses we needed so we could do our work.

Lessons Learned

I realize that fully 90, maybe 95 percent of all tech support / help desk professionals are not arrogant, uncaring, lazy types who do the bare minimum to get by each day and still earn a pay check.  But that 5 to 10 percent of help desk analysts who think they're better and smarter than their users (customers), they are making a bad name for the rest of us.

Setting aside the common-sense axioms that "the customer is always right" and "without users, there'd be no need for an IT department," don't those bozos ever consider the cost to the company of their second-rate support?  My friend without email -- frustrated for days, unable to perform basic tasks. How much productivity did her company lose during that week or so that her machine was down?  Perform the same analysis for the department of 20 people sharing two printers.  Take those 20 people who wasted at least an hour apiece worrying and fretting about which printer to use and multiple those 20 hours times their salaries.

All that waste, all because a couple of smug techs thought they were too busy to be bothered. In the immortal words of Stevie Wonder, "Heaven help us all."

145 comments
allanonmage
allanonmage

I have been accused as being arrogant for as long as I can remember. Problem is, no one can articulate anything beyond that or give concrete examples. After doing some research on the net, I can only conclude that it is mostly relative, and possibly just a derogatory comment when someone doesn't like you and/or your level of expertise and/or confidence. Examples of arrogance I can find in my own life (my boss for example) are clearly arrogant, and I can identify them. In the case of my boss, his mannerisms are outlandish, sometimes comical, and bullying. If we give it a number, lets say 10 units of arrogance. For a self assessment, I would say I have somewhere around 0 - 4 depending on the situation (usually pretty low IMO when dealing with clients, maybe more in personal relationships). I have had 2 complaints (i work at a help desk and do tech support over the phone) where the clients complained that I was arrogant and condescending. I asked my boss for advice/ideas/something to do about it the first time (different boss) and was told to "just fix it". Well, the second time came around and I was handed a print out, asked if I recognized it, and told it can't happen again, the implication being I would get fired (he had no interest in anything I started to say). I've done some more googling today, and am still not finding much besides people demonizing (sometimes rightly so) their IT department and a few techs. Not much in the way of rectifying the situation besides firing the guy either. So I'm asking a relevant community for ideas on the situation.

santeewelding
santeewelding

With a restatement as articulate as yours, may be that you are fallen in with cretins and your time to change has come.

ITisForME
ITisForME

I'll have to hand it to No User. Reading this post I saw that there was first blood struck against No User and No User stepped up to the plate and Intellectually destroyed the - as No User calls them (Trolls). I have never seen so many viciously attack one person and yet get fed their lunch quite handedly. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Reading through all these posts, No User hasn't been able to answer ANY qustions he has been asked, hasn't been able to support ANY of his comments and YOU feel it's won a debate? Wow, getting A's in your school must have been pretty easy. Not exactly a cerebrial challenge. No user was useless in this discussion, SO useless in fact that it was unable to continue, unable to support its comments and finally just sidled away like a complete pansy. If that's what you guys/girls consider winning, no wonder it was looking for a fight, so it could run away and pretend it won. So do we call you "2ndloser" then? Methinks you are New Loser with a second login. Not very clever, you or it, that is.

ITisForME
ITisForME

No User stood alone against an attack team and completely stomped the competition. One of you started a thread that TheTechmail pointed out http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=205949 and that was completely abusive and uncalled for. All of you ganged up on No User and got played like a fiddle. I don't need to agree with No User to tell that there is a great deal of intellect behind those posts far more then the attack teams combined efforts. I guess if you don?t agree with the current mass posters (attack team) you get flamed. So do we all just let you guys/gals post what you want and either not post at all there by turning the forums over to you or only make agreeable posts at risk of being gang flamed? How many years have you been gang flaming?

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

probably decided it was okay for him to play on the Internet again. That or he snuck on again.

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

Actually, if you look at my posts in that thread, I waited a few days, and then saw that you would not stop being a dumba$$. You had attacked several others, even one that did not attack you. Your posts were useless and full of crap. So, now that I feel much better, I need to ask, how did you get us again, we and our troll attack gang???? Honestly, I didnt realize that one existed, but, you can call it a No User attack gang! By calling us trolls, is that how you got us back? I really am confused on this. So, now that I feel much better, I need to ask, how did you get us again, we and our troll attack gang???? Honestly, I didnt realize that one existed, but, you can call it a No User attack gang! Anyway, as I am back to being myself again, I see no use in attacking anyone, and if I hurt your baby feelings, I am sorry. I was taught not to slap kiddies playing with themselves, and really feel remorse for helping to make you run home crying to mommy.

No User
No User

right after JamesRL started the thread. I can click on a TROLL'S name an look at the TROLL'S posts also. I saw the TROLL ATTACK GANG thread which is exactly why I ignored the posts after playing with you TROLLS a few times. It was quite obvious that something was up and TROLLS were at play. I shall also ignore the TROLL ATTACK GANG posts to my new ones. Got you again TROLLS.........

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

I didnt see much of any attack against you. No User on the other hand had nothing interesting to say, and kept attacking everyone else who disagreed. Then he went on to attack anyone who commented on his posts that didnt say good things about him. He deserved the attack. For your posts, almost completely they have been informing/answering from your posts. If you think that there is a problem, maybe you should re-think before you post (re-read), and word it differently. With No User, that was my first attempt to flame someone, so it is unusual, but he deserved it. His posts were mean spirited, hateful, and stupid. He flamed others, and brought a lot of vulgarity to the discussion. You have every right to think/post what you want, but if what/how you remark causes an undesired effect, you should really look at what was being done wrong. Maybe stating things differently could cause the discussion to be a little different, even with the same viewpoint. Also, on any large discussion site, there will be someone who will try to flame others, or try to belittle them. Pay no mind to these dumba$$es for the most part. Dont let them get to you. Later, you may end up on the same side as them in a different discussion, or at ends again to debate another issue (with wit and knowledge).

JamesRL
JamesRL

First of all, there is no attack gang here. There are many veteran posters here, who sometimes agree and sometimes do not. If you looked at some of the postings between say Oz and Max, or Oz and Sleeping Dawg, or Max and Deepsand, now there were some attacks. If anything there is a healthy level of discussion for the most part, with the odd departure into nasty attacks. No User's pretty quickly became totally nasty. But note something well. Most of us attack arguments and statements and posts, not people. And I for one stopped replying to No User when it was clear that all he wanted to do was post vulgar cr@p about me masturb@ting while posting. I started the contest when it was clear he had begun to attack not one but two new posters. And as I stated in the post that started that thread, I wasn't looking for a flame war, but an attempt to kill No User's nasty posts with humor, and to some extent we had a mixed result. I'm not attacking you as a person, your charecter. I am diagreeing strongly with what you posted. If you can't see the difference, perhaps you should refrain from posting. Because if you intend to insult others and then can't stand the heat, you should get out of the kitchen. James

DanLM
DanLM

If you consider my response an attack, you really are thin skinned. Dan

ITisForME
ITisForME

Well the answer is yes. If you disagree with the attack gang you will be attacked. Thank you for confirming my previous post. I wont be replying anymore there is no point in doing so. The attack gang wont listen they are always fanatically correct and in disagreeing I will be attacked. Nice chatting with you Leslie The Computer Lady and No User nicely done. All right you can go ahead an launch your attack now, you disagree with me.

maecuff
maecuff

I just have a hard time letting go sometimes. Ask my husband, he'll back that statement up. :)

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

It's like explaining something to no user I think, if that's not exactly what it is.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

First of all, once again, No User did nothing, he flamed everyone and when questioned why, was completely unable to answer. That's winning nothing. That is not being able to support your owen comments, it's a complete loss. As for teh Gangs jumping on others, if you had any experience or knowledge or TR hgistory, you would know I am FAR from being part of the gang here. I stand alone in debates more than I do with support. I often oppose the mainstream here and rarely get a TEAM helping me out. I am still known for stickign to my guns, not running away and working hard to support my comments with as much fact as possible. Your whole nonsensical post is simply misguided, uninformed and a completely incorrect observation. Go join No User, you are two of the same; you know what they say, "Great minds think alike", but stupid ones seldom differ. Well done.

maecuff
maecuff

No User did quite a bit of inflammatory posting.

Leslie The Computer Lady
Leslie The Computer Lady

I totally agree with you ITisForME. Sometimes SILENCE is better than slinging BS and others having to put on the hip waders. Although I did read every blog and enjoyed the BS slinging. I thought I could see blood splatters on the web page at one point. SILENCE IS GOLDEN! and can annoy some people into distraction.

JamesRL
JamesRL

If it was just me he was attacking I wouldn't care. But he seemed to be bullying many people, including some new posters. I wasn't happy that he might convince some potentially interesting new members that this is a nasty place to be. My attempt in the other thread was not to encourage more flaming. Read my first post in that thread. My intent was to counter his flames with some wit, and nullify him. James

NOW LEFT TR
NOW LEFT TR

I don't quite understabd it? (get it!!1)

JamesRL
JamesRL

I offer a sample of No User's wit and wisdom: Now as for your shouting. USERS ARE NEVER CUSTOMERS ONLY CONTROL FREAKS AND PLASTIC SYSTEMIZED MORONS REFER TO USERS WHOM ARE YOUR CO-WORKERS AS CUSTOMERS AND THAT IS BELITTLING TO I.T. USERS ARE NEVER CUSTOMERS ONLY CONTROL FREAKS AND PLASTIC SYSTEMIZED MORONS REFER TO USERS WHOM ARE YOUR CO-WORKERS AS CUSTOMERS AND THAT IS BELITTLING TO I.T. Please don't stroke yourself when replying to my post I have been watching your posts for quite some time. Do you look in a mirror when you post? If that is the way you see it then put your knee pads on get down on your knees stuff a donut in your mouth and begin servicing your customers. If you service well enough you will get extra cream. After that strap a saddle on your back assume the position and be prepared to be rode hard and put away wet. So does No user win? Only if the contest is to see how childish and vulgar you can be. James

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

In a debate/discussion, silence loses every time, no matter what. There's a difference between knowing when to keep your mouth shut, as you are trying to explain, and being unable to support your own assertions. No Loser failed on both fronts, spewed BS about people here, assumed and made itself appear to be a complete idiot and then spewed more BS and was unable to support its comments when questioned. In THAT case, silence proves pure inadequacy, nothing else but unable to support its own comments. You seem to have the right idea with the wrong application. 'Silence is golden' does not apply in this case at all. In this case, it merely stands to prove it was incapable of supporting its own ranting and assertions. It was corrected and questioned many times, with no recourse, defense or fact to support itself. It ranted and ran like a total pansy, what a piss-ant! That's just being a loser.

DanLM
DanLM

He is the best example of who should never be in IT, and that is exactly what we said. He didn't respond once. dan

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

IT, was a complete idiot, not a single fact or supporting post for its argument. Sure sounds like New Loser has a new login, at least that we it finds someone to agree with it. God only knows how many other imaginary personalities and friends such a closet case has invented.

drowningnotwaving
drowningnotwaving

Sure you do. You went to college. Remember the line about the bully-schoolmaster? [i]"But in the town it was well known When he got home at night His fat and psychopathic wife Would thrash him within inches of his life" [/i] Say what you want diickhead - give it your best - 'cos when you get home [b]your[/b] fat psycho is going to strap it on one more time . . . .

zlitocook
zlitocook

Mention Pink Floyd? Let?s look at that; there was the wall a great song and video. It seems that you use this idea to belittle others. You think you know more, are better then others and put your self above every one else. This could be a good thing if it is not used wrong. But you seem to want to put others down for no reason or if their thoughts do not meet your standards. When did this begin, did your father or mother make you complete things? Even though you did not want to? Or has your schooling done this to you, inter city schools have had lots of problems with educating problem kids and passing them off to high schools. It seems that you may need a good psychiatrist or at least some good consoling. Try anger management cons soling and get a job with less people contact. Just trying to help. Let us know and we can point you in the right direction for help.

drowningnotwaving
drowningnotwaving

... taking the p-iss? Have you read the rest of this thread??????

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

Individual Therapy? It would explain a lot.

DanLM
DanLM

Small businesses. Basically they hired you because they could not afford anyone else. You were their last resort. You mentioned no place your rates, which were most likely next to nothing. Because people found out what a raving idiot you are. Or, using your terms. GOD. Your personality and lack of communication skill's would cause any rate you can charge to automatically be lower then the same technically qualified person who had both a personality and communication skills. Besides being an asshole, you even use the lords name in vain. First, I can see someone bitch slapping you because your such a twit. Second, I can see you being sent to hell for being so self centered, self ritchious, with no respect for others and their needs. The more I think about you, the more I think how unqualified you are to be in IT. The primary job of an analysit is to collect facts about buisness rules from various users. With your attitude, you would alinate them to the point they wouldn't bother giving you all the facts. As a help desk person, your job is to collect the facts to decipher how to resolve the issue. As a project manager, your job is to interact with everyone to lay out a time line and lay out the goals and risks. All of the job functions that I have described require communication skills, which includes addressing USER needs. You have none of the above. You may be a god with your technical knowledge, but you have no communication skills to provide a solution that either a buisness or a user requires of those technical skills. In other words, your not a qualified IT person. Your just an glorified a$$hole. Dan

Tig2
Tig2

I have to commend you. While I loved Mae's response, I have to give you points in the "Style" category. I may have to send you ducks just for having played!

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

It's not his tail. But you're probably right in that it's little and appears to be tucked between his legs .

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

"Now it is time to return to the grind, there is much work to do. " You moonlighted and are now a grunt again, well done. You stepped on the little worms; it's nice you still feel that way, if you didn't boost your own ego your self esteem would be a complete void. News flash, a GREAT DEAL of the people who you have addresses here are self employed, are quite successful in their careers and are finished dealing with bottom feeders kiddies like yoruself. But just to put your superiortiy to test, please validate how you can : 1) Claim people are in positions below your own? You can't, you lied. 2) Claim that you have OTHERS squirming. You can't, again you lied. That would make you an incapable, liar. You simply make up little stories and personalities, as you need to do when you live online, have no social skills and no ability to interact with humans. We've had some real live morons here over the years, I think ITLOBO stands out as a real winner in the loser category, but you seem to really be trying hard to look as stupid as you can. Your comments are completely uninformed, unqualified assertions. If you live your life that way, no wonder you have to run back to work like the little GRUNT, bottom feeder you are. Instead of wasting time here, trying to look stupid, why not go and clean your bed sheets? Why should your mom have to use stain remover for YOUR crusty mess of an imagination? Now piss off and let the adults talk.

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

Godly in your own mind. Many children believe that they are like gods, kings, and the like. I think the real reason you are cowering, is cause Mae bested you.

maecuff
maecuff

You know, that not only rhymes with Big Loser, but also Self Abuser. Anyway.. you lose. Nearly everything you've posted is idiotic and flat out wrong. And while you appear to have the intellect of gardening tools, I suspect that you ARE smart enough to know when you've been bested. And THAT is the reason why you're running away with your little tail tucked between your legs. Oh? And this sentence " It?s off the lording and goding for me and it?s back on your knees to serve for thee." If we rearranged all the words, would it make sense then?

No User
No User

Well I'm happy for you then. Anytime you are self employed that is a victory. I did moonlighting for years setting up and managing small networks for small companies in various business settings such as medical, construction, real estate development. It was a completely different relationship then one between employee and employer. They looked at me as a friend who was helping them out. They were very negotiable and especially flexible which made it possible to do that work around my day job. This area has grown like wild fire and my company tripled in size and those small companies grew. With (SOX) and Gramm-Leach-Bailey and all the other fun stuff. Writing policies doing all the testing and documenting and having it audited and third party verification and so on it just became to much to continue moonlighting. I don?t need the money I?m doing very well financially and my free time is worth more to me then the money I would make giving it up. I wish you well. AND NOW BACK TO BUSINESS WITH YOU MAGGOTS I KNOW YOU TROLLS ARE THERE. My interest in stepping on you little worms has waned. It was a good way to be entertained and watch the little people squirm like the worms they are. You can tell that you've done your job well by how loud they scream and yell. Well it was truly fun little ones. Now it is time to return to the grind, there is much work to do. It was fun but the course has been run and it's time to bid farewell. I have real I.T. work to do so it?s back to that and for you it?s off to your masters as well. Perhaps you serfs I mean smurfs don't do I.T. work at all. You just SERVE!!! Yes you work as a SERVER not on a SERVER. I don?t mean to offend I?m just being the God that I am. It?s off the lording and goding for me and it?s back on your knees to serve for thee. Have fun everyone I sure did. Over and out end thread.

Leslie The Computer Lady
Leslie The Computer Lady

Thanks for the Diplomatic comment. I have enjoyed reading this thread just to see who can sling the most BS. FYI if you take a look, I have been here since '99 reading mostly, have never helped anyone with a problem. Note the big 0 by my name. I was in the helpdesk position at one time and enjoyed it quite a lot. I have never bent over for anyone and never will. Neither is anyone force feeding me information, in order to control me. I helped people in my once long ago position because it was my job and I enjoyed and still enjoy interaction with people that don't have a clue as to how to operate or repair a computer much less troubleshoot software problems in order to get their job done. I have gone on to bigger and better things in life. Two big jumps from the helpdesk position, I once held, have landed me in OWNING MY OWN BUSINESS. I contract now for companies that will not hire or replace their IT personel because it is not cost effective. I also make personal house calls in my home town to the general public and local businesses. I have NO boss looking over my shoulder neither do I have to put up with a schedule set for me by any company. I Make My Schedule. No time clock to punch, or explainations as to why I need the day OFF. Neither do I have to fein illness to achieve a day off, to spend with my grandchildren. This To Me IS the Ultimate IT JOB. And at $100.00 an hour I don't do to bad for myself. Neither do I consider myself controlled by any Person. Nor do I ask "SIR May I Have Another Please." I OWE NO ONE ANYTHING BUT TO LOVE THEM. period. I answer to no one but JESUS and he's pretty cool to work for. So as you can see, all who post here are not, "Users, HelpDesk, Tech Support and other low end folks and just plain old Trolls." Some of us come for IT Information to solve problems on current JOBS we have and in doing so we become Help and Tech Support for end users. Personally I like helping people, but that does not make me a submissive idiot or a low level person. Now I hold you "Accountable for your Words."

Tig2
Tig2

I thought that this guy was BEING a proper tool. Hmmm. I must consult with Jaqui. Or not. I was right the first time. This guy is a tool. Glad I cleared that up...

maecuff
maecuff

You should probably talk to jaqui about that.

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

with the proper tools... Edit: Oops! Freudian slip

maecuff
maecuff

that is a bad thing, Dan. I think we've learned that in this thread.

maecuff
maecuff

I really didn't take you for the timid type. Really, you were so reserved in your last post. I think if you have something to say to this No User person, then you should just come out and say it. :)

DanLM
DanLM

I made it a point to flame you. Your an a$$hole. Your the type of dick head that makes good IT people leave their positions, and make newly hired IT people wish they chose another profession. That's not even addressing what your users must think of you. And if you did move forward in the IT world, it's only because people got sick of your sh*t and didn't want to deal with you any more. So they got rid of you in any manner they could. 1). I would be fileing complaints against you as an employee. 2). I would be fileing complaints against you as a user. 3). If I was your supervisor, I would send you to anger management and then if you couldn't get the stick out of your a$$. Fire you. I would do this because I imagine you have a VERY high turn over of employee's. And the number of complaints must be extremely high. If they are not, then you are self employed. And If I hired you, I would not allow you to interact with anyone. I make it a part of the contract to not allow you any interaction unless ok'd by myself or someone of equal authority. In other words, you would have no authority. You don't know how to deal with it. You deserve the flames, you set your self up for it and your getting exactly what you deserved. Respect is earned, you have done nothing to earn anything except for contempt. Dan

Tig2
Tig2

I read your earlier post and honestly believed that we were having a moment of mis-communication. Happens sometimes. As I read your reply to my and my peer's considered thoughts, I begin to understand that I was wrong. There is one person on this board that gets to flame folks. He gets that because he has earned the right and privilege. You haven't. The main distinguishing feature is that the person I am thinking of has the ability to call out specific points that are missing from one's arguments and speak to those points... without having to devolve to name calling. What I have learned today is that you are truly pathetic. And incidentally, guess what? We aren't leaving. And we hope you don't either. That big red target is just too tempting.

w2ktechman
w2ktechman

I have refrained from comment on this but you have finally forced a comment (that and I have time to now). A few things to mention. Obviously you come off as a non-IT person. Actually, your comments would lead me to believe that you were 16 and struggling with ADD and hormonal issues. Your general resentment of anyone and everyone would make you a retarded manager (hindering everything). So if you were an IT manager, you would most likely be unemployed. Also, you mention in several posts, that it was directed to a certain user -- HELLO -- you are in an open forum, this is not an email or personal message center. It would/should be expected that you receive comments from others. If you want to keep your post in this thread, and 'personalize' it, then make the header the username of the intended person. Then you try to rip others for commenting, what a complete moron. If you have ever worked in IT, then you should realize that IT is a service. Services need professionals to administer, and with your current attitude, I would'nt even call you a novice. IT, as a service requires a customer relationship. This still applies to people who do not ever even see/talk to their customers. Some day you may grow up to be considered a peer somewhere, but until then you are that little sh*t that just keeps clinging. The one that does not know when to drop. Now instead of calling everyone else a troll, take a close look, re-read your threads, think about it, and then take maecuf's advice and get a circle of friends at the local shop. P.S. spots are starting to show through your posts, so you may want to stop pulling the pud before commenting.

maecuff
maecuff

You do understand what this means, right? He doesn't like you and he never will.

JamesRL
JamesRL

You know, just to make sure I wasn't being foolish, I walked through the thread again from the beginning, at least the initial posters thoughts and No User's interactions. And while I was open minded at first, the more I read the less uncertain I became. No User, I'm glad I've never worked with you. I too have been on Tech Republic since 1999, though my id says 2000. I've been in management all that time: running support departments, doing Strategic planning for an IT organization, Business Analysis and other roles. My current role is at a software company, and I have some product marketing as one of my many hats. That is only brought up to say I've had exposure to a wide range of roles within the business. I don't respect people who are openly hostile to others without just cause, who feel the need to denigrate others to feed their own pathetic egos. You've done that repeatedly, in this and other threads. You've been attacked because you asked for it, by insulting others. I agree with my peers that all IT functions include some element of support. When we develop new apps for our customers, supportability is always in mind. In most companies IT exists to support the business not the other way around. I don't care if you are the CIO of a billion dollar company, you still have to focus on delivering service and value. And you don't have to be offensive to be strong. And you can be supportive and strong at the same time. You seem to violate every rule of the Seven habits and most of the modern management theory I've ever read. From where I sit, fear isn't a good motivator, understanding patience, support all motivate and help my staff get more done. As for the original post. I've not done any desktop support in more than a decade. And yet, when my VP asks for help, I give it. I know that spending a little time helping someone out is good karma and helps build a relationship. I've done it for my companies customers as well. I think I understand your position all too well. James

NickNielsen
NickNielsen

If you don't, even indirectly, provide IT support for users, what DO you do? Play with . . . Minesweeper? No matter where you are in the IT structure, your end mission is to make sure your employer is successful; that implies end user support of some type, no matter how indirect. Maybe you think you're the tip of the spear, but you seem to have forgotten that a spear tip without a shaft up its a$$ might as well be a sharp rock. Of course, if the personality fits... Edit: added

maecuff
maecuff

Unless you are abusive to people you feel are beneath you, you are submissive? That's what I'm getting from your posts. What a sad and strange view of the world. Oh, and this is an open forum. I will continue to state my opinions as long as it amuses me to do so. You don't like me and you never will? I have to say, I'm crushed. Your panties seem to be all bunched up. You probably shouldn't let this upset you so badly. You could have a stroke.

No User
No User

I am not apologizing. I have done very well for myself and continue to do so, I will never agree with you and your submissive opinions. I don't see it like you and I never will. I don?t care about you and never will. I didn?t post to anyone except the Author of the Thread and then I responded to flames you folks directed at me. My last post was to Leslie the computer lady and not for anyone else. You are very small minded and extremely arrogant in that you think everyone wants you to know their opinion. I am succeeding very well in I.T. regardless of your opinion of my opinion. I must point out how so many have flamed and can?t even see that they have done so. You low end folks have no accountability for your posts. You say one thing and contradict yourself the next both in the same post and in others. YOU ARE THE TROLLS!!! NOW GO AWAY TROLLS!!!!

maecuff
maecuff

That gets back to my suggestion that he get some blow-up friends. That way, he won't be lonely, every topic of conversation will be about him and no one will make any demands on him at all. AND, when he gets bored with them, he can stick a pin in them.

Oz_Media
Oz_Media

Damn pansy's, I am getting so tired of these IT staff who think they have a unique role because people hound them for info. Show me a single trade or skill where you aren't hounded day in and day out for information. As I said to the initial poster, just because he hasn't given anyone something else to talk about, they all see IT as a topic of conversation when approaching him. If he gave people something else to talk about, perhaps they would take interest in his other skills or hobbies. And what kind of Prima Donna has that arrogant attitude anyway? No mater WHAT your skill, people always ask you for advice, cheap help or handouts. Everytime I meet IT guys that know me, I get hounded about car issues too. Accountants ae asked to do taxes for free, mechanics are asked to dignose car troubles everytime someoen spots them. I get asked to review demo tracks, offer recording advice, get asked for IT help, it just goes on and on. People who have lived in a dark basement, with no real live friends before, find this unique and feel they are special because everyone wants info from them.

maecuff
maecuff

that it's 2006? Your hardcore views went the way of the dodo a looong time ago. You can be assertive and strong in a management role and still be supportive, kind and helpful. These things are NOT mutually exclusive. You seem to have a real need to point out (ad nauseum) that you are NOT a user, help desk or tech support. Is it THAT important to make sure people understand that? On this forum? You've alienated many people who post here. You've made it abundantly clear that you believe yourself superior. Why on Earth would you care that people here know your position? And really, how is ANY IT position NOT a support position? Computers serve the users. They serve the company. You might not have direct contact with the users, but you, apparently, supervise people who do. Do you treat your help desk and tech support employees with the same contempt that you show here? The person who previously held my position had an attitude very much like yours. He was fired. I treat our users and my employees with respect. I enjoy helping people in any way I can. I make a very good living. It took my old boss a long time to find a new position. From my point of view, it was an attitude like YOURS that put his family in a bad way.

Tig2
Tig2

You got the blast from so many people because you came into the discussion with both guns blazing. As many of us feel that is a poor choice, you were asked to stand down. Your above post does make many things clearer. It is the concern of many here that we not alienate newcomers to the forum but instead communicate with them. Many of us are the old timers that the newcomers can learn from. I understand that multiple TR identifications makes for an error in membership length. I've been around longer than my date would indicate as well. And I know that there was a time in this forum that in order to be heard and respected you had to be on the verge of flaming. I appreciate your post and am very glad that you came back and made it. I hope others read it as well. We may have some disagreement on this specific issue but I value anyone who will stop and make their case. I do, to an extent, disagree with you in some points. In my years in IT, I have had the pleasure of knowing some really great support people. I used to be one. Unfortunately, there is another side. I have worked with people who didn't give a rip about their end users at all, took no time to consider needs based on what the business required, and honestly felt that the business was there to support them. Fortunately, these people don't last too long... but they are out there. And they are a frustration to everyone who has ever been in a support role- mostly because people tend to remember their worst experience, not their best. Good people don't like having to make up for bad ones. I believe that frustration was what the blogger was talking about. At least, that is what I heard when I read the blog. There are always good and bad in every mix. That is simply the way it is. Thank you again for taking the time to clarify your position.

No User
No User

Well some I.T. folks have jobs that are specifically created to help. I did not realize that TechRepublic was visited by nearly all users and low level helpdesk and support folks. I know my profile states that I started in 2002 well that was several ISP's and Techrepublic ownerships later. I think it was 1999 that I started TechRepublic. TechRepublic was a great web site with nearly constant insightful articles and helpful downloads. What ever was on the bleeding edge of I.T. TechRepublic made at least some effort to address and frequently came up with good stuff. The forums had participants who were working with bleeding edge products. With the many changes of hands in ownership of TechRepublic and the competition from the internet explosion TechRepublic began to loose it's uniqueness as competition marched to the web. In business that can be expected to bring about change in venue which typically reaches for a wider audience. When that happens the product gets diluted and loses it?s appeal to the audience for which it was originally intended. Over the years I have got less and less benefit from visiting TechRepublic and frequented it less often. I did not realize that TechRepublic had been taken over by users and low level folks such as the HelpDesk and other support folks. Well Looking at the posts I see to many things to point out that are in need for correction and I don't have the time or desire to do so. I will say that It would seem that I stepped on the vast majority of folks who now are the main inhabitants of the forums and who are now the focus of TechRepublic. They are Users, HelpDesk, Tech Support and other low end folks and just plain old Trolls. Once upon a time ago I did support and yes that is what it was called and support was nearly the entire focus of the job. Well users are users but when your primary mission is to support well then you do so. I?m not now and have not been for several years even remotely involved with user support. Being in I.T. is not synonymous with support or the act of supporting. Many I.T. jobs don?t have a support role. Most of those jobs are upper level. My job happens to be upper level. I don?t support users. The ID of No user came about from being blasted by the numerous users that now post in the TechRepublic forums. I was thinking of something to distinguish me from what is now nearly all user and low level IT participants and thought of Blazing saddles and the line badges we don?t need no stinking badges so I started out as Im No Stinking User but just settled for No User. Now as to my very strong suggestions to not be submissive and my many arguments with those who seem to make it their Golden Rule. Well this is the world of business and it is Dog eat Dog. Most folks who are submissive simply get rode hard and put away wet. I realize that you folks are here to support but being so eager to utterly submit is very hard for me to take. You can perform support while still being Independent, Aggressive, Assertive and holding people accountable for their actions and to learn how to fulfill their own needs for at least the little things. Most people in positions of power are out for number one and are not here for you that is your concern. If you completely submit and brag about how over joyed you are to be submissive then you put yourself and family in a very bad way. You will only go where you are put. What ever angle that the powers that be drum up and force feed to you, it is merely a game designed to control you. When you submit you go out of focus and become obscure. They are concerned about those who challenge the system. Among those ranks will be the new leaders and their personal competition. I know, I happen to be in a position of power and I worked my way up and in a sense put myself there. The seen from Animal House where pledges were getting a Swatting and the pledges were saying thank you sir may I have another. That is not a very affective way to get ahead in real life.

Leslie The Computer Lady
Leslie The Computer Lady

Wow, what interesting reading, I could not help but go on and on reading. This has to be one of the most interesting IT post's that I have read yet. From beginning to end. Rant and Rant, yes let's get it all out and then go on to the next user, customer, end point, downline, whatever you want to call them. Ultimately, we are there to HELP them, whether we like them or not, whether they are the cause of the problem or not. Admit it now IT is a high stress job and it get's to you, but remember there are the funny one's that have you doubled over in laughter, when you are asked, and I quote, "What do you mean look at my Desktop, I have a problem with my computer stupid not my DESK"!!!!!

Tig2
Tig2

By Zlito's tone and content, he got mis-threaded and was referring to our User-less friend. To my understanding, he was not directing his remarks at you beyond the Pink Floyd reference. Sometimes the threading here can make you a bit crazed. It does me, anyway.

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