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Linux is not easier to use than Windows and it never will be


“The majority of the world’s population is lazy, Microsoft is easy, Linux is a mystery!”
Vivek, London

Isn’t this the truth? Microsoft is easier than Linux and Linux is truly still a mystery to the average user.

I am sorry but Linux is not easier than Windows. I do not believe either Gnome or KDE is easier to move around than Windows. If you do, you are kidding yourself. There is a real usability issue and everyone knows it. Furthermore, Linux overall lacks standardization. How can you create a community of users when nobody can agree on the standard? Microsoft has built a community and has done it well. 

Just because you do not prefer Linux does not mean you are not educated. Most people do not want to use the command line and there is no reason in this day and age to have to be forced to use it. And if you are new to Linux, and you ask a question, you are berated and made fun of. The community by nature is elitist and rude. I have only met a few people who are genuinely helpful when it comes to learning Linux.

There are too many weird names for things in Linux. THEY DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. Gimp, Yast, Yum, oh my! It's insane.

The only relatively easy installation of Linux comes from the commercial distros (Xandros, Linspire, Red Hat, etc). Anything else might make you put your head through a wall.

Don't even let me get started on trying to install applications. I am tired of having to do a manual installation of an application. This is not the stone age! I do not want to recompile a kernel or edit a file manually. Time is precious.

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463 comments
bobgroz
bobgroz

The author hit the bulls eye on this one. Linux needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. It will never be a commercial success. It's only for business use (servers, etc). Never for the home. People at home want to use their computers, not have to relearn them all over again. Software installation is a PAIN. RPM? APT-GET? Source installs? Tarballs? Nobody in their right mind is going to put forth the effort just to learn everything needed to just operate linux. Windows is much easier and windows 7 killed Linux from the home for many years to come. Myth TV vs Media Center? I'll take Media Center any day of the week.

tracy anne
tracy anne

Have used both Windows and Linux on a daily basis. The other 77% have either never tried to use Linux, or tried to use Linux as if it was Windows. I use Mandriva Linux and unfortunately am also forced to use MS Windows (XP), I find Linux very easy to administer (Windows is often a pain), and I rarely use the command line. In fact I probably use the command line only slightly more often than I use it on Windows, the huge difference is that the command line on Linux is both easier to use than the Windows ancient and painful command line, and it's integrated with the GUI, so one can move seamlessly between the command line and the GUI, which actually makes it a pleasure to work with. There are numerous other things about Linux that make it so much easier to work on. Multiple desktops, smart text editors that know, for example, that if you copy a selection of files from the filesystem, and paste them into the text editor, that you are only interested in the meta data, like the filename it's size etc, and are not attempting paste the files contents. Smart Windows that can be floated above or below other windows, that can be configured to open at a specific size or without bordeers, or with out the decoration bar at the top. When it comes to convenience and ease of use Linux wins hands down. Couple that with he fact that one does not have to worry about anti virus software and cleaning out adware and all the other preposterous things that one must do to keep one's windows machine stable. There is simply no comparison.

jackie40d
jackie40d

I have people whom I almost have to show them which button to push to make it work and thats just to turn it on . . let alone running a program thats another story . . And they want a computer . . Oh well their money spends ! I have to show Lari how to run her MS office Pro software in MS WORD ! . . She can type and thats about it ( takes deep breath and releases it then scratches head ) hahahaha

davea0511
davea0511

click to see >>> userfriendliness

HAL 9000
HAL 9000

Obviously you have never even looked at a Windows Platform and seen the [b]Run[/b] Option which is a default Command Line Tool or the [b]Command Prompt[/b] listed under Options in XP both of which are Command Line Options and are both very useful in faultfinding these systems when required. As a [b]Dumb End User[/b] who thinks that it's perfectly acceptable to load and run a system in Admin Mode Permanently I feel sorry for you. Just never go near a server as without the Command Line Option within Windows you'll be lost and never be able to harden the unit correctly. I can tell you coming from a Main Frame Unix Background to a Windows Platform it was much harder to learn and the definitions used made even less sense. With M$ and Windows it's only there that IDE can have completely different meanings depending on if you are talking Hardware or software or DOS having several different definitions from Disk Operating System to Denial of Service which are something that you never want to confuse if you have half a brain in your head. :D With every Linux group that I've ever been involved with the only people who are treated like fools are the ones who make the mess and then demand to be spoon feed the solutions in a step by step process when they are unable to tell us what they have done to get into the mess that they are in. Perhaps you should be looking at what and How you asked questions rather than complaining about how you where treated by the responses that you where given. Anyway as they [b]Say Time Is Money[/b] and I have to get back to work and maintain this ISP Linux Boxes so that the Internet can stay up and running I'm just glad that I'm not attempting to do this on a Windows Cluster as it would take so much longer to get right and keep it working correctly. :^0 Col

NiklausPfirsig
NiklausPfirsig

Actually, Linux is getting easier all the time and Windows is getting more restrictive. Installation of the OS: Windows is easier to install because most of the time it is already installed. Installation of Apps: It is much easier to install (and uninstall) apps on linux. In most cases, you just select, check and go. If you install over the net, you get the most up-to-date version automatically. On Windows, you have to enter registration keys, reboot the system ( sometimes more than once ) and then, if you don't have the right version of IE or directx or whatever, the second-stage install may fail, leaving the registry full of garbage or even in an unusable state. Standardization. Linux actually adheres better to published standards than Windows. Open standards are what makes linux possible. Microsoft keeps some of its standards proprietary and closed, forcing the application programmers to re-invent their own versions of library functions that may even do the same thing as some internal "secret" function. This results in compatibility problems when the next release of Windows comes out. Ease of use really depends on your point of view. Windows has been moving away from the ability of the user to program the computer in any way. For example, I have a digital camera. by default the camera names the images in numbered sequence starting with 0000.jpg, and every time I copy the images from my memory card to the PC, I have to rename the incoming files. On windows 3.1, this was easy, since the filemanager had a bulk rename function. The windows 9x windows explorer lost most of this functionality, but it could be simulated with bat files and a qbasic program. in XP, you either have to manually rename each file as you copy it in, or try to write a vbscript and bat files to automate this. Linux keeps the system modular ( Isn't that what Vista is supossed to do for Windows?) and allows different users to work at their own comfort levels. My youngest son started playing games on a linux computer when he was 5. He even played Playstation games on a linux based emulator. In general, you don't have to use a command line if you don't want to, and you don't have to use a gui if you don't want to. The best analogy I've heard comparing Windows and Linux is the home entertainment system concept. Windows is like the all-in-one home entertainment system. You have a TV/VCR/DVD/AM-FM Stereo with an integrated cable tuner and satellite receiver and a largish remote control that controls everything on the system. Linux is more like a Home Theater component system with a universal remote, where you can mix or match whatever components you want. You have a choice to use a prepackaged setup or you can customize it anyway you want. Of course customing the system requires that you read a few manuals. To someone that is unfamiliar with Windows, Mac OS , or Linux, they are all equal. Which one is easiest depends mainly on two things, what you are familiar with, and what you expect it to do for you. Much of the software for Windows is unscriptable. That means that the user has to wait on the computer. It's point, double click, wait.... point click wait.... I see this often in database applications, where you get a modal warning box that cannot be disabled. You know it's going to pop up, you always answer the same way, so why should you have to wait on it. Why can't you say "answer okay to all warnings, so you can start it running, then go get a cup of coffee? Linux applications are usually scriptable. It puts the user in control of the computer instead of having the computer in control of the user. Of course some people aren't comfortable being in control.

tony
tony

?Historically, the best way to convert Linux supporters is to have them move out of their parents? home, get a real job, and start paying taxes. But if that doesn?t work, you might have to actually argue with a Linux supporter.? Thank you Ann Coulter! Ok for those of you who continually get blasted by Linux supporters, who cannot seem to actually discuss anything between the platforms with any genuine articulation, I recommend you read the book ?How to talk to a liberal (If you must)? by Ann Coulter and simply replace every occurrence of ?liberal? with ?Linux Supporter.? You will then know how to argue accurately and possibly bring some factual representation to the argument. This in no way implies that you will get anything from the discussion or stop the blasting, this will only help you to better understand what you are dealing with. I will extend my apologies to those Linux supporters who actually can coexist without flame.

Tony Hopkinson
Tony Hopkinson

who makes you look open minded on the topic... Twe things to think about. "They don't want to have to relearn" So start them with a Linux Distro.... When you've made a linux distro so like windows you can't tell the difference, exactly what is the point of it? You are getting so strident now you appear to be trying to convince yourself even though you know you are talking bollocks...

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

Like any other piece of software, Linux has changed considerably in the last three years. Most distributions that are aimed at home users now include a GUI software installation tool. Playing with apt-get and tarballs isn't necessary. I'm not saying Linux is any easier (or harder), just that the original article is out of date.

apotheon
apotheon

That's a good demonstration of the fact that you learned how to post links at TR. Now what? I'm just being kind of a smartass. Your post would have been more effective if you'd described what you were linking in some way, like: [url=http://www.the-austins.com/datapundits/userfreindliness.gif][b]Windows vs. Linux usability graph[/b][/url] It's a great image, in any case. On the other hand, I think this might be a slightly more accurate graph: [url=http://sob.apotheon.org/img/userfriendliness.gif][b]accurate Windows vs. Linux usability graph[/b][/url] Assuming the image you linked was your own creation, and if you're amenable to it, I'll license my version [url=http://ccd.apotheon.org][b]CCD CopyWrite[/b][/url] with credit to you as its creator and me as an editor.

apotheon
apotheon

The difference today is that more people realize how full of crap that attitude is. Only people like you -- who on one hand complain about the flames of Linux users and on the other say that an unmitigatedly acrimonious, ranting, insulting flame is "too true" -- seem to think that expert Linux users are any worse than expert MS Windows users as a community. Add to that the fact that some of Steven's statements are factually, [b]provably[/b] incorrect, and it becomes clear that you're just blowing hot air.

jackie40d
jackie40d

I am going to copy and paste that to a note for people whom want Windows For their O/S ! I have a client whom I am slowly changing over to Linux as his XP Pro box is a major pain in the area of his back side has more things that he wants to change or fix and mess over than the law allows . . Almost every 3 days I got to fix something errrrrrrrrrrr !

79spitfire
79spitfire

I happen to be a conservative. I do not live in my parents basement. I have a job, I pay taxes, I use tools that perform the tasks that I need. I avoid using Microsoft products because they are over priced for what you get. It is simple market based economics, better price and better performance= better products. Blind support of something is a bad idea regardless..

jackie40d
jackie40d

I am not a Liberal in any sense of the word ! And I support Linux and use it and I am not rich either . . Just got so tired of the Patch tuesday and I still fix peoples computers with their favorite brand of Windows on it ! Even though I show them my box with a ga zillion wires running all over with Xandros with Code Weavers . . Makes the Windows people Jealous as they can't do as much ! And some are wanting to change over now with the new ahum stuff called "Vista" coming out and by pass the patch Tuesdays from now to when ever !

intj-astral
intj-astral

Hi there, I think the problem with some (emphasis: some) Linux supporters is a desparate need for a meaningful cause. The rest of us are fed up with 20 plus years of Windows issues and have discovered the benefits of Linux as well as the areas where it needs serious improvement (yes, I am a heretic. Linux is not perfect).I told people about it- once. Beyond that, I only bring it up if I must. How to talk to a Linux supporter? depends. A reasonable person? Easy. But it's not easy to talk to any tunnel-visioned fanatic of any kind.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

How about an apology to those of us who don't live with our parents, have real jobs (or as close to it as IT comes), pay taxes and mortgages, and think there are better sources of IT advice than a political pundit who's more interested in profiting from telling her "Dittoheads" audience only what they want to hear than in understanding of the pros and cons of different operating systems? If I don't talk to Linux users, how will I learn anything about it? I don't "have" to "argue" with Linux supporters. I frequently engage in discussion with Linux users so I can learn more about it, an activity I undertake freely and is not required by my job. If I find myself in an on line discussion with an unpleasant user of any particular OS, app, peripheral, mouse pad, or screen cleaner, I stop responding to them. There are plenty of other users of all products who are willing to have an intelligent conversation and enjoy hearing other points of view. Ignore the militant ones and correspond with the level-headed ones and see if your time on line isn't more pleasant. I must disagree with one thing apotheon said. The link provided is good advice when you're asking questions on line about any technical subject, not just open source. Edited so many times I've lost count, since I am apparently quite disturbed by the narrow approach advocated in Tony's post.

apotheon
apotheon

"[i]I will extend my apologies to those Linux supporters who actually can coexist without flame.[/i]" That's pretty ironic, considering your whole post was essentially a flame. Here's some better advice for how to deal with the open source community: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html People who regularly get flamed for their questions or comments about Linux are probably: 1) posting them in the wrong place -- such as asking newbie questions on a Linux kernel developers' mailing list 2) violating the very common-sense principles of how to ask for help outlined in that howto . . . or: 3) just generally being trolls who invite flames in the first place, like your comments, tony.

jck
jck

Don't be bother with the nutter. :^0 Cheers :)

jackie40d
jackie40d

Reading these little tit for tat's always gives me a laugh to start the day off with ! I am shortly to be running Xandros with Code Weavers added for running the M$ junk with out having to run Windows ! I am going to push the envelope and see what I can run so I can leave Windows completely ! As I have my ADS Tech DVD Express which I do movies with ! And they do not have a Linux Driver or so they say . . So I am going to be the Beta tester you might say !

davea0511
davea0511

Good points (no pun intended). I like your edits. Sure, use it any way you want!

tony
tony

I'm just having too much fun. This has been a good thread to see where people stand and it is pretty conclusive - nowhere in comments, but definately in the voting. I wonder what the 80% who didn't comment are thinking?

intj-astral
intj-astral

Yes, that's what I said. Linux is just as easy as Windows. Watch as I rip the original source post to shreds. ?Microsoft is easier than Linux and Linux is truly still a mystery to the average user.?- All the familiar basic operations are there, so Linux is just as easy as Windows. In fact, Kde is more enjoyable as a desktop, as is Gnome and other, because you have more options at your fingertips without requiring third-party add ons. Go ahead- ask anyone who regularly uses Kde or Gnome or other Linux desktops who must also work in MS- Windows how it feels to run XP or Windows 2000. Words like ?barren?, ?restrictive?, ?primitive? will come forth. ?Still truly a mystery to the average user.? There was a time when none of us knew one end of a computer from the other. Why? We were unfamiliar with the machine. However, we chose to change that situation and did. Linux is only a mystery to the average user who chooses not to know it. I did not, but now I know, and now I'm an above-average user. So there. ?Just because you do not prefer Linux does not mean you are not educated.? Excuse me? Linux educates. You end up learning whether you want to or not. You discover that the world is not all Microsoft or Apple, and that you can get by without either. In fact, you need not dump Microsoft or Apple if you cannot or choose not to, you can have all three. Linux is red pill, such as in the red pill representing enlightenment in The Matrix. ?Most people do not want to use the command line and there is no reason in this day and age to have to be forced to use it.? This betrays a complete lack of knowledge of the Unix philosophy, the foundation of powerful computing long before Windows ever even crashed for the first time. See http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s06.html regarding the Unix philosophy. By the way, you only need to use the command line if a task requires it. For all else a graphical desktop works fine. So much for forcing anyone to use it. ?The only relatively easy installation of Linux comes from the commercial distros (Xandros, Linspire, Red Hat, etc).? Anything else might make you put your head through a wall.? Duh. So, use a commercial one, pendejo. Is someone holding a bat over your head, ready to smack you if you don't use an easier commercial distro? I rest my case. ?Don't even let me get started on trying to install applications. I am tired of having to do a manual installation of an application. This is not the stone age! I do not want to recompile a kernel or edit a file manually. Time is precious.? - Well, the author must not think it's that precious if he wasted so much to inflict this upon us. Oh, I almost forgot, the ?weird names? for Linux programs? Well, then Yast is ?Yet another setup manager.? Yum is ?yum - Yellow dog Updater Modified.? Open the Command prompt, type in ?man yum? ( or any other command or program) and see what it says. But since you don't want weird names, he is hereby sentenced to say the long versions like ?Yet another setup manager.? And so people, to know Linux, you have to be willing to play by its own rules just like we do with Windows. It's that simple.

davidtristan
davidtristan

I am not saying anything against Lynux here I am just wondering why so many problmes with Windos XP. I have used windows at home and am the IT person for a small office of Windows XP computers. I am not going to say we have never had problems but not problems with the computer every 3 days. When a problem becomes that bad the only thing to do is wipe the hard drive clean and reinstall the operating system and software. If you can't do this because the owner of the computer does not legaly own the software and will not purchase the software needed do not blame Windows. If you download tons of software into your computer from the internet, legal and not legal software, you are going to mess up your computer, don't blame Windows. If this is a business computer and is used as a tool for buisness then the kids should not be using Limewire to download illegal music and setting the computer up as a peer to peer workstation on the internet shareing music. Wah, Wah, Window is all messed up and I didn't do anything. Wah...its not my fault.

jackie40d
jackie40d

Thats Conservative and do not live in a basement . . beside my Tan would fade . . As it is I spend to much time sitting here . . It it were not for people and their problems with computers I would not get out very far some days. . But since I am the computer geek for a gob of people and having to go to the OTHER side of the Valley to do / fix something ! I spent over 1 hour on the phone today doing tech support for their e-mail set up . . (40 plus miles 1 way ) Oh well I get fresh air then . .Which means I never got to do anything but talk . . and eat breakfast !

jackie40d
jackie40d

Seems he has a problem some where with People whom use or support Linux ! I wonder if its being Jealous as he is very limited as to what he can do with his windows box !

apotheon
apotheon

It's always nice to have someone "disagree" with me by pointing out that something I said was even more widely applicable than I had suggested. "No, you're wrong about the scope of your statement's accuracy. It's actually factually correct a lot more of the time than you claim." Thanks! By the way, you're an excellent example of a Microsoft Windows user and Linux newbie that does "the right thing". You don't troll for flames, you're always very up-front about how much you've researched on your own before asking basic questions, you don't ask newbie questions in expert-only venues, and you are always mindful of the fact that you're asking for help from busy people rather than [i]demanding[/i] it while belittling them (like some people do). I'm sure you're already aware of this, but I like to point this out in discussions with people like Steven S. Warren and tony, who seem to need that lesson demonstrated in practical use before they'll learn it.

tony
tony

Finding "level-headed" Linux supporters. Not many on this site.

jackie40d
jackie40d

So far everything else works in Linux only have to get the ADS TECH DVD EXPRESS to run in Linux and I will not have to change hard drives ! Everything else Linux picked up and loaded the USB 45 in 1 card reader the modem scanner both printers my joy stick and my ACneilson scanner . . Even can run my Pinnacle 9.0 Studio for making movies with and not get the problems I got in windows with it . . Just need the ADS TECH DVD Express to run and I never have to leave Linux again ! ! ! ! ! YESSSSSS !

Absolutely
Absolutely

are "what it's all about"! [i]I am shortly to be running Xandros with Code Weavers added for running the M$ junk with out having to run Windows ! I am going to push the envelope and see what I can run so I can [b]leave Windows completely![/b] As I have my ADS Tech DVD Express which I do movies with ! And they do not have a Linux Driver or so they say . . So I am going to be the Beta tester you might say ![/i]

apotheon
apotheon

The image has been updated with license and credit information. Pass it around to your friends. As the license text indicates, it may be distributed under terms of the [url=http://ccd.apotheon.org][b]CCD CopyWrite[/b][/url] license -- which basically means you can use it any way you like, as long as you don't try use copyright or patent law to prevent others from using it any way they like, and don't try to actually plagiarize it. By the way, I reddited your original graph yesterday: http://reddit.com/info/148gx/comments Hope you don't mind the extra traffic.

intj-astral
intj-astral

Played a game, went out for some air, went to the pub for a beer, went to the movies (good luck in February!) Possibly even got laid. Some may have even secretly wished to have Linux desktop features in Windows. Ok, so it's an inside Linux joke.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

They're probably tired of seeing this topic rehashed for the nth time and decided to do something outdoors. In fact, I'm tired of it for a while, too.

intj-astral
intj-astral

Civilizatio IV or perhaps Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, as I'm about to do.

NiklausPfirsig
NiklausPfirsig

You should have tried Debian Linux. It is free, and comes with almost every type of application precompiled and includes a very flexible package manager. For ease of use, my youngest son started playing with computers when he was 5 years old. He has used Macs at school, Windows XP at his Grandmother's ,and linux at home. He's 10 now and he prefers linux.

gan
gan

As a self taught user of the upside down pyramid system called "Windows". I mean by this for you linux users, we all know if you knock the bottom out it all comes crashing down. But it is still like the United states you know "The Big Dog on the Block". Remember folks, the market is consumer driven. This being the case the lions share is not going to Linux, no matter how you slice it, who you bash or who you perceive is write or wrong. I spent 5 years after someone showing me where the power button was teaching myself "Windon't". I have now have a small 6 system wireless network in house that I can remotely access. I can also access my systems from my HD TV. I started three years ago building systems from the ground up all "Windon't" ready. You know just enough knowledge to be dangerous. I wish I had invested this time in Linux,,,but command line, self installation, all over the board help and forums and basic newby level fear kept me from doing so. Not including the lack of compatible out of the box software available for Linux systems kept me with "Windon't". I like to play but I don't like to worry about install. Most people out of the sheltered world of the Tech savvy do not have the time to invest to learn a new "Language you know like French, Spanish, Greek, Linux, etc. But if it involves your line of work or you chose to do so as a hobby and you do learn it more power to you. I just tried to take the dive and "educate myself" into the world of Linux, I took a spare system re-formated and installed "Ubuntu". I was jumping with glee. I loved the GUI and the bundled programs. Never did figure our how to get the AV installed though. Of course 95% of the programs I use on a daily bases would not work with the OS but Oh well, I hunted with due diligence and could not find replacement programs compatible with the new OS, I figured with all my spare time I might learn how to write my own,,,,since sleep is overrated,,,,. Oh thats right I ran out of spare time since I am writing this. In my spare-spare time I will still try to learn the new language, educate myself and hope that the ancient ones look favorably on my attempt to do so. Also I hope that if I do someone will write the programs I need including all my online gaming ones I corrupt my mind with "BF 2142" Forever. Oh and although time is precious, I did carve out the time to "inflict this on you".

jackie40d
jackie40d

So have you noticed the way Linux will add something and not HAVE TO RESTART ? And waste your time ! And the idiot signed driver thing is gone ! That must save you a lot of time now hahaha Oh yeah if you want or need to run a windows program just add Code Weavers to the linux and your off and running !

Dumphrey
Dumphrey

This discussion has actually brought out many good points on the linux and windows usability fronts. It has highlighted strengths and weakneses on both sides. Nice change from the "Your a Pooty Head Mr. Windows!" "No! your the Pooty Head Linux butt!" "NO! NO! Both of you are Pooty Heads, say I, OSX Boy!"

davidtristan
davidtristan

I do not give my nephew an administrative password on XP. I prefer Windows and I am learning the .Net thing. I can do Xhtml/css on either computer OS so I am trying linux out. For somthing that started out as a flame I am enjoying and learning from this discussion group more than any other. This is not a holy war for me I just enjoy the skirmish. Thanks everyone

jackie40d
jackie40d

If I knew why I would be a millionaire I got a client that way almost every 3 days something will go wrong ! It takes me longer to get there than it does to fix the problem ! Its why I moved him to Linux and he does not have the Administrators password ! So he can't jack it up and mess up something life just got easier I can spend more time making web sites and custom made computers for people . .

apotheon
apotheon

They're raisins. No, those aren't legs and wings. Ignore that.

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

Although I don't know why the old girl wanted to catch flies. Say, what's in these oatmeal cookies?

CharlieSpencer
CharlieSpencer

"Perhaps just for fun, I should hire a half-dozen or so bloggers, just to spend their entire time posting in Linux threads telling them they can fix their hardware/software xyz problem by dumping Linux and installing Windows." Don't bother, Microsoft has a staff of them. Maybe they're hiring...

apotheon
apotheon

You troll for flames, then blame them on the community when you get them. Do you really expect to attract friendly, helpful people when you say things like that?

tony
tony

the non-level headed Linux zealots are overwhelmingly loud and seem to have a lot of time on there hands (maybe not gainfully employed??). The biggest problem is the many posts from the Linux zealots telling everyone to dump Windows and use Linux. These posts are usually found in many Windows posts by users looking for solutions (non-Linux related). Here is good current example: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6152876.html Perhaps just for fun, I should hire a half-dozen or so bloggers, just to spend their entire time posting in Linux threads telling them they can fix their hardware/software xyz problem by dumping Linux and installing Windows.

Tony Hopkinson
Tony Hopkinson

they treat people as they are treated. Did you consider Steve's article level headed? He's not new here, he elicited the response he wanted. If you want an OS that looks and works like windows, buy Vista, or download Ubuntu.

tony
tony

OMFG. How many personalities do you have that your not aware of....

apotheon
apotheon

1. I don't ask newbie questions in a Windows kernel developers' mailing list. In fact, I'm something of a Microsoft Windows expert, and am often paid for the exercise of just those skills. 2. I do a pretty good job of adhering to those common-sense principles of seeking help as outlined in the howto, to which I linked. 3. I don't troll for flames then turn around and complain about the poor treatment I receive. So: in what way am I not practicing what I "preach"?