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If they didn't use Microsofts proprietary logo/trademark and other copyright protected names, IE7 etc. without permission they would actually get away with this.
As for what woul dhappen if MS took on open source? First of all, it would quickly see the demise of open source as it would instantly become private. They would then destroy all Linux boxes by offering a poorly patched and insecure version of "Lindows" that allows hackers to start targeting Linux boxes.
MS can keep their shite in Redmond.
As for what woul dhappen if MS took on open source? First of all, it would quickly see the demise of open source as it would instantly become private. They would then destroy all Linux boxes by offering a poorly patched and insecure version of "Lindows" that allows hackers to start targeting Linux boxes.
MS can keep their shite in Redmond.
what a bunch of baby's...We don't like Billy,
He's smarter than us. He has more resources. blah blah blah
He's smarter than us. He has more resources. blah blah blah
hitting Monkato, N.D. that have caused brain freeze. It destroys one's ability to look beyond M$. Also impairs one's ability to spell korrectly.
Speak for yourself, and yourself only.
I, for one, do not allow that B. Gates is smarter than all of the rest of us. If such is true in your case, why would you be acclaiming such to the world?
I, for one, do not allow that B. Gates is smarter than all of the rest of us. If such is true in your case, why would you be acclaiming such to the world?
Open source would come to a screeching halt as 100,000 hackers that focus on 'big bad Microsoft' tear your precious Firefox to shreds. After the first 10 minutes of fighting the onslaught, all the OS guru's would walk away saying 'ya know, I'm not getting paid for this'.
I have no love of Microsoft, but let's face it, open source has never drawn the hacker attention that MS does. All those who like OS seem to hate MS and likely most of those who hate MS like OS.
Let's just retire the police and let the neighborhoods police themselves.
I have no love of Microsoft, but let's face it, open source has never drawn the hacker attention that MS does. All those who like OS seem to hate MS and likely most of those who hate MS like OS.
Let's just retire the police and let the neighborhoods police themselves.
Unfortunately too close to the truth, it's been M$s business model for decades.
Excuse me, I have to go and change my underwear now
Excuse me, I have to go and change my underwear now
Is Microsoft allowed to get a mo nopoly in browsers?
This purchase of Firefox should have been blocked.
This purchase of Firefox should have been blocked.
At first glance I thought Microsoft really bought Firefox. I had the noose around my neck before I realized it wasn't true.
"What if Microsoft DID decide to abandon the IE and Windows kernel and embrace open source code"
Well...
First, Hell would freeze over.
Then, cows would jump all the way across the moon.
Etc...
I don't want to hate on Microsoft, per se; but their recultance to adopt just standardization of CSS is astonishingly immature.
Although, I now that they have some financial interests in the open source communities, I don't think that you'll see a purchase (or cooperation for that matter).
Well...
First, Hell would freeze over.
Then, cows would jump all the way across the moon.
Etc...
I don't want to hate on Microsoft, per se; but their recultance to adopt just standardization of CSS is astonishingly immature.
Although, I now that they have some financial interests in the open source communities, I don't think that you'll see a purchase (or cooperation for that matter).
First of all I congraulate the makers of the web site they did a good job and it kind of funny. Second I think really the only way this would really happen is a change in technology or sheer disperation because there product doesn't work or they messed up.
I think the later
I think the later
WOW!
If this DID come to pass, it would resemble POPEYES CHICKEN buying the TIFFANY jewelry company.
Microsoft getting involved in FIREFOX would serve only one purpose...
Finding a way to COVERTLY make Firefox every bit as INsecure as windows products already are, to "enhance compatibility issues".
What compatibility issues you say?
The ones that make firefox easier to KEEP SECURE!
Good thing this IS a joke; as if the idea of MICROSOFT giving a hoot about securing YOUR computer isn't funny enough with all their hidden logging of every last place you go on the net.
LONG LIVE FIREFOX!
If this DID come to pass, it would resemble POPEYES CHICKEN buying the TIFFANY jewelry company.
Microsoft getting involved in FIREFOX would serve only one purpose...
Finding a way to COVERTLY make Firefox every bit as INsecure as windows products already are, to "enhance compatibility issues".
What compatibility issues you say?
The ones that make firefox easier to KEEP SECURE!
Good thing this IS a joke; as if the idea of MICROSOFT giving a hoot about securing YOUR computer isn't funny enough with all their hidden logging of every last place you go on the net.
LONG LIVE FIREFOX!
I guess if that did happen I would have to go back to Opera.
Why should they be allowed to ruin anything? If no one bought the products Microsoft "stole" and damaged, maybe they'd stop doing it.
... Oh, that's right ... then they wouldn't have any products at all!!!
... Oh, that's right ... then they wouldn't have any products at all!!!
any more ideas!!! They're already starting the process of swallowing up Linux...
I see nothing remotely funny about a monopoly getting bigger, be it M$, at&t or any other!
Yes, the page was clever, but in poor judgement upon the part of it's posters.
I see nothing remotely funny about a monopoly getting bigger, be it M$, at&t or any other!
Yes, the page was clever, but in poor judgement upon the part of it's posters.
Microsoft has repeatedly proven their general attitude and by doing so have made themselves TARGETS as are all their USERS.
The "poor judgement" lies in REDMOND, where it is ingrained, nurtured and propogated through compartmentalized programmers, and protected by encrypted databases that only allow THEM to hide the digital weenies sliding through your systems.
Those who blindly support microsoft not only damage their own reputations in light of repeated patches of crapware designed to leave you with an ILLUSION of secure computing, they also advance the cause of hackers by providing targets to be manipulated.
I, among others that become more numerous by the DAY, will never again buy microsoft
products, PERIOD.
If parody was poor judgement, half the crap you see on cable "news" would be outlawed...
The "poor judgement" lies in REDMOND, where it is ingrained, nurtured and propogated through compartmentalized programmers, and protected by encrypted databases that only allow THEM to hide the digital weenies sliding through your systems.
Those who blindly support microsoft not only damage their own reputations in light of repeated patches of crapware designed to leave you with an ILLUSION of secure computing, they also advance the cause of hackers by providing targets to be manipulated.
I, among others that become more numerous by the DAY, will never again buy microsoft
products, PERIOD.
If parody was poor judgement, half the crap you see on cable "news" would be outlawed...
1) Oh brother!
2) The MSFirefox Mail actually works... They affix a signature of Microsoft has acquired Firefox w/ the link to each message though.
3) On this page there's a link which says is for donating to the Microsoft Foundation, but it actually directs to the Mozilla.org foundation donation page.
4) Good job whoever created it, but i have a feeling it will be taken down pretty quickly as it violates both mozilla's and m$'s trademarks
2) The MSFirefox Mail actually works... They affix a signature of Microsoft has acquired Firefox w/ the link to each message though.
3) On this page there's a link which says is for donating to the Microsoft Foundation, but it actually directs to the Mozilla.org foundation donation page.
4) Good job whoever created it, but i have a feeling it will be taken down pretty quickly as it violates both mozilla's and m$'s trademarks
There are tons (literally, as in "thousands of pounds of legal documents") of case law that say using a trademark for the purposes of parody is quite legal. Even the Supreme Court has ruled on the side of fair use in matters like this.
Superb... best parody I have read in a long while. Microsoft will not be pleased. Great 
Windows IE is bassicaly the shell of windwos (explorer) which basically if the gui for the whole of windows
The day when Microsoft sticks its nose in open source software may be a very scary one. It will be the day when the evil empire takes over freedom. I fear for open source projects from becoming heavy and clumsy to use and all APIs becoming beaurocratic and hard to use.
Microsoft Linux, shrudder... Its like having the satan dating your mom...
I nearly had a heart attack. Thank good this ain't true!
Microsoft Linux, shrudder... Its like having the satan dating your mom...
I nearly had a heart attack. Thank good this ain't true!
Sheesh! Gave me quite a scare there. Don't do that so early in the morning.
Microsoft is already running Linux on the entire troup of 15,000 Akamai servers in front of Microsoft.com.
Microsoft already runs 400 Linux machines, in their Redmond Campus Linux Lab!
Microsoft boutght Hotmail.com in 1997, with 6,500 servers, running mixed BSD and Linux kernels. Since has grown to 15,000 Linux servers!
MSN.com runs on thousands of Linux servers (?). My money is wagered that they do, when you see one linux server replace up to 12 MS servers, and two technicians on the payroll/health/pension plans!!!
Linux runs upto 50X faster in all the 30 tests documented over the past 6 years, in shootouts by major labs, for magazines...
Now, IE7 retains all the backdoors as required by the contracts with their "Trusted Partners' but, they have attempted to get some Firefox features included. Many fail, some flop, and the "114,000 Microsoft Virus Definitions" still run in IE7!
YOUR FREEdom of Choice begins with http://pclinuxos.com or any of the 310 FREE LiveCDroms at http://livecdlist.com
Notice the lack of journalistic enthusiasm over your FREEdoms??? Yean, no advertising money comes from FREE, STABLE, secure, safe, FAST, products!
The FUD must flow!!!
Meanwhile, Indiana is purported to have become the 39th State to adopt Linux in the schools, with the first 20,000 of 300,000 units at a purported savings of about $1200 per STUDENT!!!
Maybe the savings could pay for some classroom supplies? Or, will the 19 layers of administration all get new desks?
Microsoft already runs 400 Linux machines, in their Redmond Campus Linux Lab!
Microsoft boutght Hotmail.com in 1997, with 6,500 servers, running mixed BSD and Linux kernels. Since has grown to 15,000 Linux servers!
MSN.com runs on thousands of Linux servers (?). My money is wagered that they do, when you see one linux server replace up to 12 MS servers, and two technicians on the payroll/health/pension plans!!!
Linux runs upto 50X faster in all the 30 tests documented over the past 6 years, in shootouts by major labs, for magazines...
Now, IE7 retains all the backdoors as required by the contracts with their "Trusted Partners' but, they have attempted to get some Firefox features included. Many fail, some flop, and the "114,000 Microsoft Virus Definitions" still run in IE7!
YOUR FREEdom of Choice begins with http://pclinuxos.com or any of the 310 FREE LiveCDroms at http://livecdlist.com
Notice the lack of journalistic enthusiasm over your FREEdoms??? Yean, no advertising money comes from FREE, STABLE, secure, safe, FAST, products!
The FUD must flow!!!
Meanwhile, Indiana is purported to have become the 39th State to adopt Linux in the schools, with the first 20,000 of 300,000 units at a purported savings of about $1200 per STUDENT!!!
Maybe the savings could pay for some classroom supplies? Or, will the 19 layers of administration all get new desks?
If you want your post to be taken seriously, you will cite specific sources for all of those numbers. Personally, I think most of the figures you cite are completely made up and false. And, the rest are bending the truth way out of shape.
BTW: Don't consider this a flame invitation. It's not. Just cite your sources, retract your post, or be disregarded.
BTW: Don't consider this a flame invitation. It's not. Just cite your sources, retract your post, or be disregarded.
The Akami and Hotmail historical notes are accurate, or (in the case of Akami) at least WERE accurate a couple years ago when last I checked. Microsoft doesn't run the Linux/BSD systems internally in the Akami case -- that's the name of a company that provides firewall and proxy services, and Akami uses Linux/BSD systems primarily (last I checked). Microsoft has been contracting with Akami for years.
Hotmail, as noted, was basically all Linux/BSD systems when first bought out by MSN. Microsoft announced early on (late '90s) that it would be replacing all the Hotmail servers with Windows systems, but the going has been slow and, according to some (so far unsubstantiated, as far as I'm aware) reports, has even started to reverse because of performance and stability issues.
Unfortunately, I don't have any sources for any of this stuff right off the top of my head, and I'm not positive of the current state of MSN and Microsoft web services -- things may have changed.
I suspect that some of the information in that post from the PCLinuxOS user might be a bit exaggerated or quoted from half-baked sources, but it is at least based on a true story. In my experience, anyone that proselytizes PCLinuxOS will always sound like he's been drinking the kool-aid. They have a tendency to exaggerate and use too many exclamation points and capital letters, and I have yet to see an admitted PCLinuxOS user whose online communications are not fraught with spelling and grammar errors. The enthusiasm may be commendable, but there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
Anyhow, don't let this person's zealousness cause you to entirely disregard everything he says. It's at least mostly true.
Hotmail, as noted, was basically all Linux/BSD systems when first bought out by MSN. Microsoft announced early on (late '90s) that it would be replacing all the Hotmail servers with Windows systems, but the going has been slow and, according to some (so far unsubstantiated, as far as I'm aware) reports, has even started to reverse because of performance and stability issues.
Unfortunately, I don't have any sources for any of this stuff right off the top of my head, and I'm not positive of the current state of MSN and Microsoft web services -- things may have changed.
I suspect that some of the information in that post from the PCLinuxOS user might be a bit exaggerated or quoted from half-baked sources, but it is at least based on a true story. In my experience, anyone that proselytizes PCLinuxOS will always sound like he's been drinking the kool-aid. They have a tendency to exaggerate and use too many exclamation points and capital letters, and I have yet to see an admitted PCLinuxOS user whose online communications are not fraught with spelling and grammar errors. The enthusiasm may be commendable, but there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
Anyhow, don't let this person's zealousness cause you to entirely disregard everything he says. It's at least mostly true.
This is off topic, I apologise, but would someone explain the kool-aid references.
Is it a cultural thing?
To my memory, Kool Aid is a rather pleasant soft drink made from powder and water. However I have seen many references to it here in TR, that suggest it is some kind of mind enhancing drug!!!
As far as I know, you can't buy it in the UK, I have only seen it in the States.
Y'all got me real puzzled like here.....
(I'm a yokel)
Is it a cultural thing?
To my memory, Kool Aid is a rather pleasant soft drink made from powder and water. However I have seen many references to it here in TR, that suggest it is some kind of mind enhancing drug!!!
As far as I know, you can't buy it in the UK, I have only seen it in the States.
Y'all got me real puzzled like here.....
(I'm a yokel)
Drinking the Kool-Aid is a reference to the Jonestown Massacre, where a bunch of blind followers of a fruity (pun intended) cult committed mass suicide by drinking poisoned Kool-Aid (or, more accurately, Flavor Aid, which is just generic Kool-Aid).
My sister, an American, regularly sends me Kool Aid
Maybe I should be careful Chad?
j/k
Maybe I should be careful Chad?
j/k
Kool aid is also referred to in the case of those who may appear to have less than ADULT
thought processes engaged in analysis of anything, as it is primarily CHILDREN who drink it.
This is a great deal like the editor of your local paper thanking a subscriber for their thoughtful letter re:whatever, and then suggesting the writer use a different color
crayon the next time he writes. (:P)
thought processes engaged in analysis of anything, as it is primarily CHILDREN who drink it.
This is a great deal like the editor of your local paper thanking a subscriber for their thoughtful letter re:whatever, and then suggesting the writer use a different color
crayon the next time he writes. (:P)
Love your ID btw, superb!!!!
(wish I'd have thought of it)
Rotflmao
(wish I'd have thought of it)
Rotflmao
I might be old or I might have a different frame of reference than some of the other posters here BUT my first thought when someone talks about 'the Kool-Aid' is electric Kool-Aid. There is a book - "The Electric Kool-Aid Experiment". The title refers to a series of concerts and happenings during the sixties. During these events different bands would play ("The Greatful Dead" among others) and there would be a community bowl of Kool-Aid for all comers. The Kool-Aid was spiked with LSD, so everyone could enjoy the show.
In addition to the original reference (the Jim Jones People's Temple mass suicide at Jonestown, Guyana, where they were forced to drink FlavorAid spiked with cyanide), there is another one: Tom Wolfe wrote a book called "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" (http://www.tomwolfe.com/KoolAid.html) in which he detailed all sorts of adventures in hallucinogenic drug use in the swingin' sixties. But like they say, if you can remember the 60s, you probably weren't there
.
Looks like linuxiac was a seagull. I've waited long enough for his reply.
He made a lot of wild claims that I mostly disregard. He is essentially saying that Microsoft runs major pieces of its infrastructure on Linux. I just don't believe that claim without substantiation. A "secret" like that would not last for long. There would be proof. Some former/disgruntled Microsoft employee would spill the beans. That claim is just plain false.
I believe that Microsoft has Linux test machines. No surprise there.
And, he is absolutely correct about Akamai. But, that is not Microsoft.
And, he is absolutely correct about Hotmail back in the 1990s before Microsoft bought them. I seriously doubt they still do. Netcraft says Hotmail now runs on Windows Server 2003 and IIS (1). And, this is not conclusive proof, but this "page" shows that at least the edge servers appear to run IIS:
http://www.hotmail.com/asdfasdf
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That Microsoft is not running a lot of its infrastructure on Linux says nothing about Linux. It only says something about Microsoft. Linux is an outstanding cost-effective system that everyone should be running at least in part of their infrastructure.
Anyway, thanks for your post.
(1) Netcraft says Hotmail runs on Windows & IIS
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.hotmail.com
Looks like linuxiac was a seagull. I've waited long enough for his reply.
He made a lot of wild claims that I mostly disregard. He is essentially saying that Microsoft runs major pieces of its infrastructure on Linux. I just don't believe that claim without substantiation. A "secret" like that would not last for long. There would be proof. Some former/disgruntled Microsoft employee would spill the beans. That claim is just plain false.
I believe that Microsoft has Linux test machines. No surprise there.
And, he is absolutely correct about Akamai. But, that is not Microsoft.
And, he is absolutely correct about Hotmail back in the 1990s before Microsoft bought them. I seriously doubt they still do. Netcraft says Hotmail now runs on Windows Server 2003 and IIS (1). And, this is not conclusive proof, but this "page" shows that at least the edge servers appear to run IIS:
http://www.hotmail.com/asdfasdf
-----
That Microsoft is not running a lot of its infrastructure on Linux says nothing about Linux. It only says something about Microsoft. Linux is an outstanding cost-effective system that everyone should be running at least in part of their infrastructure.
Anyway, thanks for your post.
(1) Netcraft says Hotmail runs on Windows & IIS
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.hotmail.com
There once was a database program that "Ran Like a Fox!" The name was FoxPro. That was back in the days when there was a choice. Microsoft wrapped him up in a heavy Visual coat and made him join their flock of sheep kept in a pen on the backlot. Nobody runs fast in Redmond.
I can say one thing for sure and that is IE7 surely looks like Firefox in Vista beta. Stranger things have happened.
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