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Do you share some of these same Vista peeves? What else would you add to the annoyances column--and what features do you think qualify as benefits and improvements?
1) XP Pro does not 'UpGrade' forcing me to re-install software
I had issues moving from Pro to Vista but ALL were issues with old hwd, HWD issues that I should have corrected long ago and outdated software.
It took a week, but after I looked back had I been running a clean XP machine the only issue I would have had is my TV software (SnapStream), it acted a bit flakey for a while but Snapstream did some tweaking that did the trick.
I had issues moving from Pro to Vista but ALL were issues with old hwd, HWD issues that I should have corrected long ago and outdated software.
It took a week, but after I looked back had I been running a clean XP machine the only issue I would have had is my TV software (SnapStream), it acted a bit flakey for a while but Snapstream did some tweaking that did the trick.
I love Vista..sure it takes some getting used to as it is very different from XP but then I upgraded from 3.1 to 95 and that was a shocker too.
It is prettier, with nicer features and once you understand what they are trying to achieve it actually saves you time.
Coupled with the new office suite (and BOY has that changed) I think it is a great leap forward.
I understand your frustrations with hardware etc but I managed to get around all of this buy buying a pc that was up to spec .. simple but effective.
It is prettier, with nicer features and once you understand what they are trying to achieve it actually saves you time.
Coupled with the new office suite (and BOY has that changed) I think it is a great leap forward.
I understand your frustrations with hardware etc but I managed to get around all of this buy buying a pc that was up to spec .. simple but effective.
I see,
It was very different from XP, and it took some time to learn.
The officepackage is very changed, and must have taken som time to learn too.
Now that's a learning-curve isn't it? Where then, is the complaints about the learning curve, which we always hear when we talk about changing from iconbased Windows to icon based Linux?
And you had to buy a new PC up to specs, which means faster processor, more RAM and more disc.
Lots of learning plus a new PC, doesn't sound like a good bargain to me. What did you actually get, that you didn't have before - apart from a new PC? How did it increase your productivity?
It was very different from XP, and it took some time to learn.
The officepackage is very changed, and must have taken som time to learn too.
Now that's a learning-curve isn't it? Where then, is the complaints about the learning curve, which we always hear when we talk about changing from iconbased Windows to icon based Linux?
And you had to buy a new PC up to specs, which means faster processor, more RAM and more disc.
Lots of learning plus a new PC, doesn't sound like a good bargain to me. What did you actually get, that you didn't have before - apart from a new PC? How did it increase your productivity?
I bought a new laptop 2 months after Vista came out. Played with it for a month and took the bloody thing back. Had 20 members of my staff do likewise, 18 returned the laptops in less than a month; based on that I retrieved the last two and returned all 20. The OS has a nasty learning curve and won't run 70% of the programs that we run. Of the 70%, about half of them require us to buy upgrades to run on Vista.
We are looking at several options including Macs (which I tend to dislike) - we would have to run our windows programs on the XP emulator. Why Microsoft didn't make the OS more backwards compatible I'll never know, but it will be years, if ever, before we move to it.
Really dislike this particular OS.
We are looking at several options including Macs (which I tend to dislike) - we would have to run our windows programs on the XP emulator. Why Microsoft didn't make the OS more backwards compatible I'll never know, but it will be years, if ever, before we move to it.
Really dislike this particular OS.
No 11 - "Users who winge, moan and complain about most things in a new OS"...
I've been using Vista since the Beta's and yes it takes a little getting used to however, once you are used to it, going back to XP is definitely a step backwards. Yes XP is a great OS, but lets be honest, Humans are creatures of habit, and any change always causes frustration, until it becomes the norm. Half the things you listed are not things you do everyday. The other half are just sheer lack of familiarity. Turn off the UAC if you don't like it, but don't winge when a rouge application suddenly appears on your system!
Almost everything in life costs money. Bottom line, the more you pay, the more you get. Same goes for software. Manufacturers have been offering various versions of their software at differing prices for a long time now. Imagine if only the most expensive version of every app was available. Full of features that you would never ever use. Would you still buy it? Or would you look at a competitors product which is cheaper, and less feature rich. Or start a movement to boycott that manufacturer?
Lets not forget, Microsoft is a business. They create software in order to make money for their share holders. The best way to cover all incomes within the modern world is to offer multiple versions at varying prices. Similarly to car manufacturers. Most offer at least three versions of the same car at varying prices with varying features. Funny how we don't hear so much winging about the new shapes, differing interiors etc of cars...
As for the upgrading of hardware to support Vista, it's your choice, like everything out there. Yes, you may need to upgrade your video card, but you don't need to buy the most expensive card out there. It's long been a fact of life that the rate of change and the requirements for upgrades are driven by what you do. If you use your pc for typing letters, then you can buy one second hand for $50 that will do the trick. If however, you want one with all the latest bells and whistles, lovely interfaces (aero) then you pay for it. Not that long ago cars didn't come with air conditioners however, a pricey upgrade would give you the luxury.
Grow up, learn some patience and perseverance and look at the big picture...
Cheers.
I've been using Vista since the Beta's and yes it takes a little getting used to however, once you are used to it, going back to XP is definitely a step backwards. Yes XP is a great OS, but lets be honest, Humans are creatures of habit, and any change always causes frustration, until it becomes the norm. Half the things you listed are not things you do everyday. The other half are just sheer lack of familiarity. Turn off the UAC if you don't like it, but don't winge when a rouge application suddenly appears on your system!
Almost everything in life costs money. Bottom line, the more you pay, the more you get. Same goes for software. Manufacturers have been offering various versions of their software at differing prices for a long time now. Imagine if only the most expensive version of every app was available. Full of features that you would never ever use. Would you still buy it? Or would you look at a competitors product which is cheaper, and less feature rich. Or start a movement to boycott that manufacturer?
Lets not forget, Microsoft is a business. They create software in order to make money for their share holders. The best way to cover all incomes within the modern world is to offer multiple versions at varying prices. Similarly to car manufacturers. Most offer at least three versions of the same car at varying prices with varying features. Funny how we don't hear so much winging about the new shapes, differing interiors etc of cars...
As for the upgrading of hardware to support Vista, it's your choice, like everything out there. Yes, you may need to upgrade your video card, but you don't need to buy the most expensive card out there. It's long been a fact of life that the rate of change and the requirements for upgrades are driven by what you do. If you use your pc for typing letters, then you can buy one second hand for $50 that will do the trick. If however, you want one with all the latest bells and whistles, lovely interfaces (aero) then you pay for it. Not that long ago cars didn't come with air conditioners however, a pricey upgrade would give you the luxury.
Grow up, learn some patience and perseverance and look at the big picture...
Cheers.
I love Vista, but with failing eye-sight I have great difficulties reading the pale blue text (as in this Forum).
Changing to a legacy mode is an unattractive solution.
But there is NO WAY to change the pale blue text color to anything darker in AeroGlass. For reasons of design purity the user is left crippled, litterally.
Is nobody else complaining about this stubborness?
Changing to a legacy mode is an unattractive solution.
But there is NO WAY to change the pale blue text color to anything darker in AeroGlass. For reasons of design purity the user is left crippled, litterally.
Is nobody else complaining about this stubborness?
Did you get it all out?
Most people would just say it will take some getting used to....but you?..
We're all adults. Try not to bark at people to grow up. Your blood pressure will thank you.
Most people would just say it will take some getting used to....but you?..
We're all adults. Try not to bark at people to grow up. Your blood pressure will thank you.
Sorry to say that Vista is NOT ready for primetime if you have many network devices and are a PC gamer. When I began using Vista Ultimate for real (after playing with betas), my external drives were not recognized, leaving me without a backup solution. Games produced prior to 2003 would not run. Upgraded graphics card to the latest and greatest and decided that Vista should be reserved for "Vista Only" games (to come). Had to buy a full retail version of XP Pro since Vista won't dual boot with an OEM version of XP. Now have best of two worlds, tweaking both OS's to suit my preferences. Caution: There is a specific sequence of steps when creating a dual boot with Vista. So I am very patient, no complaints, since I have my cake and I can eat it too...LOL
I run a Mac Pro, 2 x 2.66 GHz Xeon, 2 GB RAM, 250+500
GB HD, 23" display, that I use for work and family. The
new public Beta of Boot Camp (V1.2) now supports Vista.
I just installed it and Vista Ultimate on the weekend.
Works very well for me. For work I do have to use both
Windows and OS X as the product (Java-based) we make
runs on both platforms.
That said, I much prefer OS X and I try to work from OS X
as much as possible. For my family I bought a 17" iMac
and have a wireless network. Again I much prefer OS X
for the family. I hated being the tech support gury for my
wife and kids whenever Windows bugged out. I have yet
to establish if Vista is any more reliable than XP for home
use, but XP was a major pain...anti-virus programs
screwing up the works, registries getting screwed up, etc.
GB HD, 23" display, that I use for work and family. The
new public Beta of Boot Camp (V1.2) now supports Vista.
I just installed it and Vista Ultimate on the weekend.
Works very well for me. For work I do have to use both
Windows and OS X as the product (Java-based) we make
runs on both platforms.
That said, I much prefer OS X and I try to work from OS X
as much as possible. For my family I bought a 17" iMac
and have a wireless network. Again I much prefer OS X
for the family. I hated being the tech support gury for my
wife and kids whenever Windows bugged out. I have yet
to establish if Vista is any more reliable than XP for home
use, but XP was a major pain...anti-virus programs
screwing up the works, registries getting screwed up, etc.
Dual-booting Vista and OS X won't be much help if you want to play games, which was one of the major points of the post you replied to.
I don't know why you had so much trouble with XP though; it was flaky at first (which is why I stayed with Windows 2000 Pro for a couple of years after XP was released), but is now pretty solid. If you were having trouble with AV programs, then they were the problem and not XP as I have had no problems whatsoever with the AV software I use.
If the registry was getting screwed up, then you were almost certainly doing something wrong yourself (such as choosing to install malware-infested programs). Take a few minutes to find out about what you are considering installing first, and registry corruption will never happen. At least it hasn't happened to me in the entire time I've been using Windows 2000 and XP, and I've tried an amazing number of applications (including shareware and freeware). Install blindly and you're asking for trouble, regardless of which OS you're running.
I don't know why you had so much trouble with XP though; it was flaky at first (which is why I stayed with Windows 2000 Pro for a couple of years after XP was released), but is now pretty solid. If you were having trouble with AV programs, then they were the problem and not XP as I have had no problems whatsoever with the AV software I use.
If the registry was getting screwed up, then you were almost certainly doing something wrong yourself (such as choosing to install malware-infested programs). Take a few minutes to find out about what you are considering installing first, and registry corruption will never happen. At least it hasn't happened to me in the entire time I've been using Windows 2000 and XP, and I've tried an amazing number of applications (including shareware and freeware). Install blindly and you're asking for trouble, regardless of which OS you're running.
It was a family computer, upgraded from Windows ME (now THAT sucked!), to XP Pro and eventually to SP2. Mostly the kids used it...which is why I had so many security issues; I worked mainly from an XP laptop that has no issues. I now have them on an iMac that I administer, and I work with the Mac Pro at home, the XP laptop when on the road.
The games I play are Flight Simulator, as I'm a pilot and can practise instrument flying on it, and Combat Flight Simulator, just for fun. Both run fine in Vista Ultimate, and in fact I'm quite pleased with the frame rates I'm getting. I only use Vista at home for these games. Everything else I have migrated over to my Mac Pro for myself (using the XP laptop when I travel), or the iMac for the kids.
The UAC on Vista is a real pain though, my biggest beef.
The games I play are Flight Simulator, as I'm a pilot and can practise instrument flying on it, and Combat Flight Simulator, just for fun. Both run fine in Vista Ultimate, and in fact I'm quite pleased with the frame rates I'm getting. I only use Vista at home for these games. Everything else I have migrated over to my Mac Pro for myself (using the XP laptop when I travel), or the iMac for the kids.
The UAC on Vista is a real pain though, my biggest beef.
Is very useful for those who really are techno-illiterate. For the rest of us, its a piece of cake to turn off so dont despair!
I find with each change in windows i give up more and more control of my computer. a lot of old programs are as good as when they came out. Now many will not work on xp or are hard to configure. I myself don't plan to buy any more windows operating system. there is no real reason that the old programs do not to work. i feel it's just a way to make money. which bill gates has done. he sells you an operating system that has problem and then he sells you an upgrade with problems, then an upgrade with problems. i have used dos 1.0 -6.2, windows 95, then 98se and me. i finally upgraded to xp and i don't think it works well with old programs. i am not rich and if i buy another os it will have to work with the programs i have already period. the las os that worked well without problems was 6.2. in dos i wrote my own menus and batch files, i only booted in to windows 3.1 from the menu. i knew how my system operated and i could change it to suit myself. now you use what they like.
I was going to write this response but you beat me to it--Thanks
According to everyone I know (apart from my family), I am a computer GOD. I use Vista a bit, and I have to say, I don't know the password for Admin (the only administrator account set up), but otherwise I go by without interruption.
A little annoyed Vista doesn't detect the modem XP loved. Ehh, win a few, lose a lot.
A little annoyed Vista doesn't detect the modem XP loved. Ehh, win a few, lose a lot.
You took the words right out of my mouth Avandeven.
Thanks for saving me a lengthy reply
Thanks for saving me a lengthy reply
nice speech dude. seriously. but wheres all the "patience" when using OSS. its just like humans aint it .. "as long as the packaging is pretty no body cares whats inside" . maybe you have not heard "all the best things in life come free".
The bigger picture is that as a planet we need to use less, not more. Progress is an OS that needs less ram, less power (Aero GPU), less space and a smaller carbon footprint. Instead we have the opposite. There is NO NEED to move forward for forwards sake. A pretty interface is no excuse for manufacturing more ram, bigger power supplies etc etc. The code CAN be written efficiently, look at grc.com and see what can be done in machine code.. Now I know this goes against the tech geek thing, and I am one, but Vista is an upgrade to make money. It cares nothing about the planet, all it does is make you feel good. Now sombody do it right, make a good OS on 256mb ram and a TNT level of graphics, then we can stop throwing away all this stuff.
If anybody says Linux I'll scream
If anybody says Linux I'll scream
Machine code is hard to write. That leaves out most of the current generation of programmers.
The Apollo space mission was launched on 64 bytes of code and ran on solid-core processors with solid-core RAM. So why does it take 8GB of RAM to play a video game or write a letter or launch a browser? Simple answer: sloppy code.
That's all we're going to get from M$, though so you might as well get used to it.
Oh, and "Unix". There, now you don't have to scream.
GD
The Apollo space mission was launched on 64 bytes of code and ran on solid-core processors with solid-core RAM. So why does it take 8GB of RAM to play a video game or write a letter or launch a browser? Simple answer: sloppy code.
That's all we're going to get from M$, though so you might as well get used to it.
Oh, and "Unix". There, now you don't have to scream.
GD
"Machine code is hard to write. That leaves out most of the current generation of programmers."
KO, then let's drop the current generation of programmers and send them to school where they can learn proper programming. It is not so long ago, maybe 10 years, that I managed a business suite, a complete ERP system, on a system where the max size of a compiled program was 64k.
I remember also one of the last versions of OS/2, where IBM proudly announced that they had managed to squeeze the kernel size from about 800k to 700k, making it run faster on the customers existing HW. Now thats a very different attitude from the one displayed by Microsoft. "Great news! We have hired Afghani peasants as programmers - ups sorry - engineers, and by real hard work we have managed again to explode everything to immense size - please buy new HW."
As for the environmental side of the picture, I have created real good results by removing the PC from the office user, and given them thin clients instead.
KO, then let's drop the current generation of programmers and send them to school where they can learn proper programming. It is not so long ago, maybe 10 years, that I managed a business suite, a complete ERP system, on a system where the max size of a compiled program was 64k.
I remember also one of the last versions of OS/2, where IBM proudly announced that they had managed to squeeze the kernel size from about 800k to 700k, making it run faster on the customers existing HW. Now thats a very different attitude from the one displayed by Microsoft. "Great news! We have hired Afghani peasants as programmers - ups sorry - engineers, and by real hard work we have managed again to explode everything to immense size - please buy new HW."
As for the environmental side of the picture, I have created real good results by removing the PC from the office user, and given them thin clients instead.
HAHA - That is the operating system that I am using now - switched cold from Vista Premium to Ubuntu Feisty Fawn .... It is ALL there! Everything you need to do can be downloaded - Java, MP3, DVD codecs plus open office 2.0 that runs efficiently, database, host of about 300 free games and etc..... My interface is set up to look kinda like a Mac -
Long Live LINUX!
Long Live LINUX!
I tried Vista Business 64 bit for about two months then decided to go back to XP Pro 64 because Vista is too bloated and began to slow down on my self made AMD64 PC. Now I'm looking at PCLinuxOS or Debian since they both run so much better without all the worries of viruses/malware, etc. My Vista is going on eBay soon. 'Nix rules.
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