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        <title><![CDATA[Yes, well]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Correctional custody works fine on the GIs, but no matter how much we'd like to see it, civilians just aren't eligible.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[NickNielsen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:19:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Firing A DOD Civilian is Possible]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It is very possible to fire a governemnt employee it just takes the time and effort to document the poor work performance.  By the same token in the Air force we had a good motivator called 30 days cc (correctional custody) and let me tell you that works.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:48:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Defining the Job]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[If you have ever been in a superisory role over anything but the most basic of assembly line work you understand that it is impossible to identify every detail of every job.  You would have stacks of paper as high as the Sear's Tower.Unfortunately today companies and supervisors are reluctant to cause confrontation with a poor performer.  The other workers, customers and stakeholders all suffer either directly or indeictectly.I have seen to many examples of this type of behavior in the last few years.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:44:12 -0700</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[steaknsnore@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:54:00 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[oh YEAH!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Touche!  Excellent point.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[steaknsnore@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:51:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Your worst fears confirmed...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I worked for many years in the civil service of a state whose capitol is about 140 miles north of &quot;Babylon-on-the-Hudson&quot;. I started in a technical field. (not IT) Ended at the lower levels of the management heap, so I was exposed to a lot over the years, including supervision of district offices.Did you know that there are many ways to get (politically connected)people on the payroll of &quot;competitive civil service&quot; jobs without even taking a test? Can you guess? They are the hardest to get rid of. If a cat has 9 lives, they have about 90. They just keep coming back in different jobs, different agencies, etc. Fortunately, they are a small percentage, but they present exactly the situation described here. The rest of us had to clean up the messes they made. To pass over a lazy, incapable, politically connected person for a promotion, in favor of a hard working, well qualified &amp; deserving individual, would result in complaints from the political &quot;rabi&quot; of the one passed over. (Perhaps a state senator or assemblyman.)Minorities were hard to deal with, because any attempt to even suggest improvements in their performance, brought down wrath from above. Some executive level minority persons worked outside of channels to do anything to promote their fellows, qualified or not. I remember well having my job threatened because in a performance review of a minority lady, I listed several areas that needed improvement. I liked her, and she did have the basic ability and was willing to work to a degree, but her conduct needed some improvement. I didn't want to get rid of her, I just wanted her to act on a more professional level. (She came from the &quot;Big City&quot;)Now I know why one of my ex (retired and deceased) bosses let a politically connected jackass write his own performance evaluation.(Leaps over tall buildings in a single bound, etc, etc.)In that atmosphere, it's easier for a supervisor or manager to get fired, than it is to get an incompetent worker fired. (&quot;They&quot; can always find something...)So there it is...If the corporate (or agency culture) talks excellence and does the opposite, you might as well just go with the flow and CYA.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Schmidt]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:51:12 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I was like that employee]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I was exactly like the employee you just talked about.  I was coddled.I am a grateful recovering alcoholic/addict (1yr 2months) and at my work place, where, I was a manager I got away with everything.  I called in, I came in late, and I finished projects late if I finished them at all.When I would get that &quot;Talking To&quot; I would straighten up long enough to be on good terms with everyone.You want to know why I was coddled.  After I left the company I found out, they where afraid that if they fired me I might not make it. I worked for a company that cared that I was alive.Did I deserve all those breaks, NO; am I thankful now that I am clean and sober HECK YES.I am not defending being coddled; I am saying there could be another reason, even though everyone where I worked knew the reason but me.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[pshannonwatts@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:10:28 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Yes, unions do breed mediocrity.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[And you're right about health benefits being a burden on American exports. But, the reason is because America doesn't have universal healthcare like Europe, Canada, and Australia based on a federal sales tax. You've been bullfeathered about not being able to pay for it. You just spent it 3 times over freeing Iraqis, instead of on ailing Americans.We all get older, someday.Interested Amateur]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Interested Amateur]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:55:00 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Q: Why do we have a civil (silly) service?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[A: Somebody's got to hire the stupid.Some civil servants could not get a job or keep it in private business. And government is supposed to be an example to private enterprise, anyway.The reason most of us work for private business is we don't want to become brain-dead.Interested Amateur]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:25:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Management Failure]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[According to what I have read &quot;there are no worker problems, just management problems&quot;. Since management has the responsibility of running an organization, all events can be controlled by their decisions and/or actions. From Management 101 &quot;Management can delegate authority, but not responsibility&quot;. This seems to be forgotten or ignored or not even known about by a lot of people in management. If management does not lead (take responsibility), then why is there management in the first place?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[rrwitham@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:55:59 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[it can be good and it can be bad ( of course)]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I am reading how people say that at times it is good to have someone that does not leave their boundries BUT it depends how tight they follow there job descriptions. Are they the people of person that if they see something wrong will not let others know. What if it is a safty issue? Safty is EVERYONES job. Just as Security is everyone's job. So things are group resonsiblities also.  So it can depend if the worker is just careful or lazy.  Unmotavated is ok, we are not judging their work ethics, just if they are dangerous to the company and others. Work is pretty relative.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[guyvii]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:26:25 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Hooray for welfare!]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-215933-2205876]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[I think you've hit it, Old Dogs!Let's say we put the welfare system back together.  We'd take, say, 80% of the slackers' salaries from the company in taxes and they could fire the bums.  Put them on welfare, getting 50% of their salaries (the other 30% would be lost in administrative waste, of course).The company saves 20% of current costs, production rises because of a better workforce and the higher morale of workers who don't have lazy people in their faces all day long.Meanwhile the slackers could spend their days watching other slackers like the cops who stand around road construction sites doing nothing except getting fatter...It could work...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mrkahatr]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:54:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Sounds like he's qualified to be president]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[- Totally incompetent- No interest in learning- Someone else has to pick up the mess- ProtectedYep, that's all it seems to take.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mrkahatr]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:44:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Only the guilty need to fear a lawsuit]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I'll venture the guess that the company who is afraid of canning the minority because of the fear of reprisals is the same company who hired the person in the first place simply because they were a minority and so would make the company appear to not be bigoted.  This is bigotry.A truly open company hires qualified people and fires unqualified people.  This company is reflective of the population in their area without extra effort.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mrkahatr]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:41:17 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[All very well to be natural leaders, but what if]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[your management frowns on your taking note of things that need to be done and doing them.Seems far-fetched? Not so. A company I know  tells its Business Unit managers to look after their own outlined work and not &quot;poke their noses into things not their affairs&quot;; so if that means that a specific BU member has to go along with a slightly slow machine or an unresponsive MIS, so be it. Or if you see a colleague struggling with 2/3 deadlined projects, please urge them strongly to do better work, but do not chip in/ do not guide. The above is a very basic example, but that's what the flip side also is...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Kays07]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:30:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Uh huh.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Ahh GrassHopper, finally you perceive our goal.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ptheoc@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:22:36 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The Problems with Unions Today]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The problems with unions of today is as you point out so well is management. They squeeze every penny out of the members and return very little. Along with this is the issue that they feed the members the idea that it is their right to have certain benefits without having to pay for them. Benefits such as health care and out of control wages.Many if not most unions jobs are non-skilled positions and just about anybody could do the work. When you pay someone $120,000 a year for walking around recording bar code numbers on a clipboard or $40 an hour for installing a couple of screws this amounts to out of control wages.Why should an employer of union workers be forced to pay employees health care benefits? This is one of the reasons why so many companies in the U.S. are leaving for foreign shores.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[preshv@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:30:15 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Unfortunate misconception...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[For a while the teamsters made a good job of acting this way but unions are, in general, a good thing.  The Molly McGuires are often pointed to as violent examples of the birth of unions but people often ignore the facts of the mining towns that created the necessity of the unions.Left on their own, management will usually not show much concern for their employees.  They become viewed as just another raw material that needs to be used effectively.  That choice is often treating the employee like an alkaline battery: drain it of all energy putting as little care into it and throw it away when it stops working as well as you want.Check out the lyrics of the old song &quot;Sixteen tons&quot; and why it was written.  Management has just as bloody a history as unions do.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[daveo2000]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:11:36 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[We call them High-Maintenance Employees]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We have a couple of engineers like this. They'll do their job, but only if it is spelled out. Then throughout the project, you have to keep bumping them along until the job is finished. It is quite annoying; however, in my neck of the woods it is harder to find a good engineer willing to work in the area vice playing baby-sitter.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[igtddave@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:32:27 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Isn't this what Unions are for?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Want a job where you can slack off, or totally ignore all laws and rules of common decency to be able to destroy the property of the company you work for? Join the Union. Then employers can't fire you no matter how lazy you are, or how much equipment you destroy.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[keith2237]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:09:29 -0700</pubDate>
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