Discussion on:

Interesting quote

?I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies? - Thomas Jefferson



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsZO6G7dfpI

or

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=america+freedom+to+fascism



I'd like to see your comments regarding the video.


Is there a law requiring American workers to pay taxes? If so, can you produce it in writing?



Thank you

Thank You for the link, this is a long but 'must watch' video.

Bush To Be Dictator In A Catastrophic Emergency

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=2169

to get a conversation about the martial law thing going back in March: http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=213913&messageID=2188376

It got a grand total of six replies (not counting my own of course). =(

I'm with you though, I won't give up. Someday, people will look beyond American Idol and take an interest in the important things.

It's nice to know people who aren't going to give up.

I'm with you.


You and I could've talked about martial law a long time ago.

Question: What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?

Answer: I don't know and I don't care. (old joke -sorry)

This bill was supposedly accepted and signed in last night. But, in order for this to become effective the US has to be in a situation,
A. During wartime the War Powers Act is deemed ineffective. This would entail massive infrastructure damage to the US government. Basically, parts of the government have become destroyed or are no longer able to operate. Such as the entire Congressional committee has been wiped out due to an "unfortunate" event like a terrorist explosion. Really though, how unfortunate could that actually be.

B. A Catastrophic Emergency such as a natural disaster would be handled in this manner only after means, such as martial law, can no longer provide sufficient aid to the citizens or its government. The step would be FEMA/Red Cross goes in first, then the national guard (we all know how helpful that was). Followed by Martial Law. In the event that Martial Law fails all decisions that need to be made to end the crisis shall be designated solely by the President or acting President of the US. Its not really a bad deal. Instead of everyone pointing fingers at who's to blame and getting nothing done everything shall be handled by one individual who has been deemed by the majority of the citizens the most fit to handle the situations, good or bad, of the country.

Honestly, the US needs a dictator. The representatives and congressmen have gotten so corrupt and greedy that the US needs to get rid of em. Democracy based governments have never lasted and what we see in the US today is why they don't last. Something needs to be done. Even if Bush becomes a dictator, how long do you think he well be in power given his popularity? Don't think anyone has anything to worry about there.

Good job Brownie errr... I mean tryten

That avatar blinking is cute -- once, but it doesn't encourage me to read your posts! Blech!

What's the name of my avatar/picture?




Who else did something similar in the past and was successful??
I have zero expectations but I like my picture. For now anyways
Everybody laugh g'head but keep thinking.


What does my picture look like when opened with TheGIMP . Is there any place to insert text? What about "Save As"?


Don't forget to tell your loved ones that you care...


How much do you really know about me and my past? How much do you just assume you know?


Edited to add the avatar: img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s169/sharewhat/sitrep_deepshit.gif" border="0"

I can't stand to look at it long enough to work out the Morse code. It gives me a headache -- so I try to arrange for it to be scrolled off-screen while I read your posts.

Why?

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flash. Think about it.
Hint: N A V Y

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to a guy I know in person here and I lost my contact point with him. I dropped the link along with my real-life address on his virtual doorstep and I damnsurehopeheunderstands.

I'll yank the avatar after he gets his fat ass over here pronto and pdq. Not before. Sorry all.


Edit: Updated profile.

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Good to see that you have corrected your Morse code. Your avatar used to be signalling S-M-S.



P.S. I noticed...

to be one of those brainiac types and I'm REAL glad to see you over here. Let me get you a bottled water.
Free to you.

I forgot where to go to change my Uncle Sam one. I've only been there once, and I am new here. Can you help me?

My Workspace > Profile > Edit Profile > Section 2 Photo.

There you can either provide a URL pointing to an image of your choosing, or select from TR's stock library.

And I also expect this discussion to go to at least 5 replies...



Maybe not.


Edited: Sue me

...until Monday afternoon! If there are not 10 replies by eob Monday, then call this topic a dud. But wait until then.

It just disturbs me a ?little bit?.

I wonder how many people will even take less than 3 hours time to watch the videos I've posted here. I've spent YEARS trying to figure out the big picture . Maybe NOW I finally understand why things never looked right to me .



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003


Edit: I'm puzzled as to why my broadband connection was suddenly throttled back. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. I'm sure...

"Keep stepping forward. Share your discoveries. You will make new friends. You are not a conspiracy theorist, but part of a whole."



We are all in this together.

ut after viewing something like this I often check on some facts before voicing an opinion either way. Usually this takes a bit of time.

There was a lot in that video to think about as well. From income taxes not being legal to GWB creating powers for himself to the Federal Reserve things to world govt....... And in between there were many lesser items as well.

When I see something like this I usually try to determine which parts are false or partially false, which are prove-able, and afterwards determine if I think that I should share it with others.
After seeing it, I do think that everyone should watch it, and judge for themselves. But before picking it apart and reviewing it, the movie just pisses me off. Not for the knowledge that it passes on, but if the content is correct (mostly).

Dang patriot!

Keep up the good work, Ropes!

You'll get it.

but every time I dig a bit, I come up with more issues.....
really, just little 'other' things to add to the pile. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places, but there is a lot to take in on short notice. I must have been ignorant of many things before. They are revealing themselves everytime I get on the Internet all of a sudden. just a few searches using random keywords...
In fact, I just pulled up a site that listed in some places, how a person is considered a terrorist. Like publicly dis-agreeing with anything the govt. is 'for'. If the wrong people see or hear you, you are now in a database listed as a possible terrorist!!!
yes, lots of looking up I have been doing. First it was to try to disprove some things in the video, but that did not lead anywhere except more questions. I am afraid that this may take more time than I had originally thought...

The funny part, I was trying to disprove some of the 'smaller' accusations from the video rather than the large ones. This is because usually in these types of shows, the smaller stuff is not researched well and/or can be easily dis-proven. Te larger issues are usually well documented on both 'Pro' and 'Con' sides.
Anyway, usually I form my own opinions and do not chat too much about it anyway until others are ready as well. But in this case, I have not found a starting point.....except....paranoia!
And from what I have been reading, the income tax thing is not nearly as big an issue as some of the others... But it would be a good start on reversing some of the bigger issues.

I have some setting somewhere hosed and can't view them. I need to just bite the bullet and reload this darned thing.

No, there isn't a law. There never has been. There have been many groups in the past who have successfully protested paying taxes on the basis of the lack of law and failure on the part of government to prove the constitutionality of income tax.

Government is WAY too big for the britches we give it. Real ID, micro-chipping people, the ever increasingly large hand in pocket, even to the point where a former president is not allowed to give his opinion when asked. To me, all evidence that this administration will not gracefully exit the White House. And that government has run amok.

And what will we replace these current idiots with? More idiots, unfortunately. "Sheeple" have never been more prevalent than they are today. They mistakenly believe that we need MORE government, not less. They honestly believe that legitimising criminals is a good plan. They think that micro chipping people is a good thing.

I believe that we can choose the world we want to live in by making better choices. We may not achieve that world but at least we would be doing SOMETHING instead of decrying the fact that we are accomplishing NOTHING. But even there, I am apparently wrong. Silly me, at least I was willing to TRY. AM willing, even though I may be wrong for doing so.

You point out the apathy that seems to have infected a great nation. I don't get it either. We seem to be willing to give up our individual rights, believing (however wrongly) that to do so will somehow make us safer.

I don't get it, I am not destined to.

When I see biblical prophesy coming true before my eyes, I begin to think that going somewhere- anywhere- else is a good thing and possibly the only thing that can save my a$$. Quite sad, really.

I always have a problem with this kind of documentary, most are using a fear factor. The facts that were presented I have seen most of them before. I did think they did an interesting job of presenting them all together.

What really needs to be answered is if we do not use income tax to pay for services, then how do we pay for them? I am not saying the way we have is the only one, but we do need them. No one should argue with the need for a strong military or disaster funds. But there are thousands of other services that are needed, especially for the ones that cannot afford these on there on. From due process of law to deadbeat dads.

I am only saying, while I am in favor of bringing all injustises to the forefront, but bring alternate ways to pay for them. We may not have been given a choice in how we pay for them now, but what way would we be willing to pay for them. (Which service we are willing to pay for is a whole other topic.)

Dad

edited to be able to get off soapbox.

Since you're talking to someone who has previously filed personal bankruptcy any answer I provide, (including my intelligence, character, integrity and even the contents of my refrigerator), should be suspect.



I've been told by people (?) here at TR that I need to take Economy 101 classes too, so I'll decline even trying to supply a solution.



I would like to ask a couple of simple questions though:



How exactly do we pay for services now?



What's the likely end result?



I just can't figure out the answers for those questions and I'm unable to provide links.




Isn't it always nice when our elected officials go on TV to supply the drama and heroism we all crave by signing a piece of paper producing a Billion dollars for any given cause. It's even nicer when a Billion dollars was proposed but they make it two Billion dollars because they're really nice people and it's a really good cause.



The thinking seems to be that having the money to pay for whatever the ?desire/need of the day? is the sum-total solution for any problem. It isn't.



To illustrate the point that my providing a solution that everyone (anyone?) would believe was going to work and be fair I'll recall a scene in the first movie that I thought was chilling. I'm positive that a lot of other people wouldn't view it the same way I do. Maybe you'll remember it.
Our beloved President was admiring the fact that one woman works three different jobs to make ends meet. I think his quote was, ?It's the American way idint it?.


Certainly she's to be admired for her efforts but the chilling aspect to me , was that our beloved President wasn't horrified that the woman works three different jobs to make ends meet. If that's ?the American way? we should all become debt slaves.

Hmmm...



I'll get back to you on our need for a massive military industrial complex and see if I can find my link to how disaster funds are spent.



Edited by me to remove images.



Link to images provided below:
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=279


http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=288

I hope things are much better now, after the bankruptcy.

Military

Nevermind the current politics. We need to keep a strong military, when we do not, things elsewhere in the world go against us. Before World War II, the US wanted peace. Still remembering WWI, even with Europe and South Pacific showing aggression, the US people did not want to get involved. Our military was weak for the times. It took a drastic act (Pearl Harbor) to change minds in the US. Had the Japanese navy kept coming, instead of turning back, they could have taken over a portion of western US. Now days we have much bigger guns, but all conflicts will need military men and women to fight.

As was said in another post, the tax issue is very complicated. We mostly see what is presented on the media, but there are thousands of other things our taxes take care of. Who will fix the pothole in the street infront of your house? Who will prosecute the person that broke in your neighbor's house? Well, you get the thoughts. The Federal Gov takes care of big issues, but the local affects us more.

There is also waste in all parts of government, just more glaring in D.C.

I'm fine and surviving everything so far but my country is going to hell in a hand basket.



Have you watched both videos beginning to end?



Have you read through all of the material?



Where does it all fall apart for you because for me it all fits frighteningly well.


I'm not here to promote any agenda. Period. End of story.

People might be laughing their asses off at me and that's fine. Just view all of the material and think on it.


Just THINK people THINK. You are still free to think.


The quote above from Thomas Jefferson has shown to be very true.

OTR, I am not laughing at you. The videos used the truth to its own ends. These facts have been in the news before. The only thing I had a hard time with was the interviews with people that listed themselves as working for the IRS and going puplic against their employers.

Our country has fought wars to preserve our freedom and way of life. It disturbs me more to see people willing to give up those freedoms and let others control their life. There will always be dangers in the world, as there always has been. I don't want our country to become a bunch of scared rabbits looking for a wolf to protect them.

Dad

Opps, there is the soapbox out again. I am kicking it under the table now.

Ropes is not in LA. Don't ask how I know that, but I do. There is no place called "Breast Cancer 3 Day Walker" in any state in the 50 I call home, either. Obfuscation is a requirement, sometimes.

Anyone can spin anything they like to their own ends. Not a first, won't be a last. But truth can find it's way out of the spin and stand on it's own.

Since the 80's that I am aware of, groups have protested the tax machine and tried to get people to listen. Often to no avail. They were branded "Un-American" and largely ignored. Even the IRS ignored them because the IRS didn't care. They were freaks and wierdos- why should anyone care? Until those freaks and wierdos started representing a larger share of the tax burden. Then the IRS cared.

And honestly? I know people who work for the IRS. I know a couple who have protested. No one cares.

We are willing to give up our freedoms on a daily basis, it seems. Can we all say "Real ID?" No one cares and many will fight for it.

I have been in the position to try to use some of the "services" that I had been paying taxes for. I was the wrong colour and the wrong level of irresponsibility to get help. And the help I DID receive, I am paying back.

There is a problem in this country. It is a deep problem and it is pervasive.

All Ropes is saying is "Think about it". I think he's right, but that's just me.


Edit- I missed an "s"

that the link should not be read or that people should not be aware of what is happening in our country. Quite the opposite.

In fact, it would be very good to have a lot of people see this documentary so the next presidential primary and election will have a lot of attention and voters turn out to stop the trend set now.

In the documentary, one of the disturbing things was the injection of tracking device under the skin of employees. [Actually the same thing can be done with ID badges easier.] Even with politics aside, the internet accelerated more information being available to more people than ever before; very personal information. Cell phones will have GPS traking in them; more cars are being bought with GPS driving instruction hardware; OnStar service can track your car, should anyone (like police) be interested, are just a few.

What I am saying is that viewing the documentary will make you angry, scared or, possibly, disbelief. When the same thing is coming from a different directions (which may not be considered bad).

Dad

kicking soapbox under table, again

I guess my point was that the truth can be told in a variety of ways.

I watched both videos. I flatly disagree with the points made in the 9/11 vid. I know engineering and I know aircraft. The fault had nothing or little to do with the fires, had everything to do with the architecture of the buildings. If you destroy enough of the supports in balloon architecture, it fails and it fails in exactly the way that the buildings came down. It fails from above the damage line and downward in a reasonably straight progression. I can tell you all about why that happens but would likely end up putting your teeth to sleep.

At the end (darn, Dad- did you send your soapbox here???) 9/11 theory isn't the crux of the point. This country has been doing wrong stuff for a long time now. And they want to do worse.

And no- documentaries are not my only source of information. This country has been in deep do-do for a long time. And it really doesn't take much to scratch off the pretty wrapping and see the seething mass of maggots that has been "powering" things for quite some time.

I think that people should be inflamed. But I also think that they should be inflamed enough to get off their collective and DO something.

In another thread, I asked "what kind of world do you want?" But I was also asking what you were willing to do to reach that world. I want a world without breast cancer. I am tired of living with that particular threat. I am willing to take action. I raise $$$, walk 60 miles in 3 days and am trying to find my way through the insurance nightmare to finally have the prophylactic mastectomy that has been recommended for the last year. Will that give me a world without breast cancer? Nope. It will give me a ME without breast cancer and out from under the sword of Damoclese that I have been living with, and let me think that I am doing the right thing... or at least trying.

This country HAS become a bunch of scared rabbits, convinced that RFID chipping is a good thing and believing that the almighty government will save our collective fuzzy tails. I find that I can't verbalise my level of disgust with this. My mommy told me not to say those words.

You want your soapbox back?

Great! You got to watch 'em and draw your own conclusions.


I have a post to Absolutely further down the thread that you might want to look at.

I am seriously making three tracks right now. Long day and I didn't get much of anything done besides exchanging contact points with a few newly-found friends blah blah blah.



The high-point of my day was talking for hours at length with my ol' ex-Marine, LEO bud (mentioned below) and his wife. LeoBud has been the counties arson investigator for 23 years after receiving Federally funded and continuous training. You'd like the guy. Speaks his mind and picks apart every single movie or TV show with blistering yet entertaining comments. "WTF! They just shot six rounds in an enclosed room and now they're whispering to each other?" Cracks me up.

Since he has broadband I loaded the bookmarks for the videos on his PC and expect a scathing, uninterested party, review. I'm going to record video of his review for my review. The I'll record my review of his review, for his review.
(On to Infinity, Awaaay!!!)

I'm about tuckered out.



I am genuinely looking forward to what he has to say. I worked with him and have entrusted my life to him on several occasions.

He says the current crop of cops aren't anything like the old bunch. "Tase 'em first, talk to 'em later." He refused to carry a taser and fought the department over it and won. Said he didn't need it 'cause we're people, not cattle. Nice guy, 'til he gets pissed off.

There doesn't appear to be a local office for the presidential candidate I support which is JUST FRICKIN'DUCKIE NOW, ain't it?

I've got other work to do right now so I'll get back to ya' on the whole shmole later.

"Stay tuned while we pause for this commercial break from Mega-Corp."

The yoohoo you yoohoo into the woods is the yoohoo you get back.




Keep thinking Dad. Not meant to imply that you have to reach any particular conclusion.
I've reached one for myself. Doesn't have to be the same one you reach.

In fact I value critical thinking and it's important enough to me that you don't tune out alternative viewpoints like people are wont to do and that you continue to think on what I think may be relevant points.

I don't believe I'll ever feel a need to tell you or anyone to leave my thread alone and pout that I don't want to talk to you no more .
Not that I can think of any particular free speech proponent that does that, a lot.

Sorry but I gotta go.


Peace

"May you always live in interesting times"

Don't recall who came up with that one but just about now, I would like to wring his neck.

I live in a townhouse development with lots of kids. We are a quiet community that doesn't want problems. This evening, a pair of kids found it necessary to come through our neighbourhood at about 70 MPH. Posted is 30. Most of us never exceed 20. Anyway, these sh*theads found it necessary to take out both the street sign and the lightpost (oh good, live wires in the street) and then race off. They came back after switching drivers (you can see a lot from the second floor about 30 feet away) and realising that they left the license plate from the car behind.

So what has this to do with the price of tea, you ask?

Simple.

It is yet another symptom of what is going wrong with the country. And before I hear from anyone telling me that "kids will be kids"... NO. I never in my life did anything so recklessly irresponsible as to race through a residential area, potentially endangering lives.

We all ran out of our homes fearing that someone was hurt. Many of us with cell phones talking to 911. I grabbed a med kit on the way out. In retrospect, should have grabbed a wire kit. We were all certain that this person must have taken someone out.

I can hear the light tones of my neighbours talking- even at 10:12 at night. My neighbours walk their pets and are active in the area until late at night. I immediately thought of the two year old who lives next door to me.

Fortunately, no one was hurt. The street marker and light were the casualties. The neighbourhood almost feels normal again.

Except that I have a lingering feeling of not feeling even the modicum of safety that I had a few hours ago. I feel more vulnerable, less secure.

And I ask myself- even challenge myself about the fear.

I feel more fear because the world is increasingly more dangerous. Crime rate aside, there is less and less that you can reliably hang your hat on. What a pity that is!

Have no clue where I was intending to go with this. Just wish for the times when I could go sleep in the living room of the non air conditioned house I grew up in in Southern California and know that it was okay that the front door wasn't closed and locked. I deplore what has been lost and wish that I could find a way to get some of that back.

It's pretty sad when bedtime conversation is if, and which, gun is loaded. But that is what we have become.

I want a better world.

Who controls "the media?" Why?



Remember Elementary school? (chants followthemoneyfollowthemoneyfollowthemoney)



The root cause/base analysis for any answer/action on your part would start with a critical thinking process: who, what, where, when, why and how?

Another aside and personal note to Dad: With only a very few exceptions I very much admire folks that don't get off of their soapbox and show that they can get pissed off.
Rant away my friend. I want and need Any and all y'all Aussie peacemonger-ish types and any other interested people can feel free to chime in here, or anywhere for that matter and post argumentative viewpoints.

Is anybody out there? (echo) is anybody out there?

Personal note to DE: Unbeknownst to you. I'm working on getting free DVD's into your hands but it's going to take a few seconds/minutes. You are not forgotten.

Have you checked my unwavering profile for clues lately?

I have a closet full of them. My kids would take them away not to hear me
Why can Moms always be heard, Dads must talk to blank stares.

I agree with you on the 9/11 vid. I just did not have your expertise. I remember the TV experts explaining this just after it happened. They said the same thing you did. (I am seeing the dentist a lot lately and my teeth are asleep too much there

On 'what kind of world do you want?' thread, I posted to that one. Generally, I am more upbeat about the future. The RIFD they want to insert in everyone, I don't believe will happen. When it is happening to someone else, most people are apathetic, or at best uninformed. Look at Child Labor up until the late 19th and early 20th century.

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/childlabor/

Until photos were published where people acually saw the conditions and resentment of the children, did anything happen. Today we have much faster news and information, including the internet. Why do you think countries (and our own military in the Mid-East) are restricting internet access?

See I told you I had more soapboxes!!

I have not spoken about cancer, except to state I support you. Now I will.
1. I know I can never fill the way you do about this disease. I do want you to know I do care about you with all my heart.
2. I believe, strongly, that the pharmecutical companies will find a cure for any disease they can make a substantial profit on, cancer being one of those.
3. Anything you do to fight Cancer is very worthwhile.

As far as fear in our society. There has always been good and bad at any time in history. There is no excuse for what those kids did to endanger life recklessly, but their parents probably drive the same way. I did not drive that recklessly when I was young, but did know plenty of kids that did. I do not condone it, just that this is not new.

Don't believe things used to be worse, look up when birth control (the pill) was available for the public. Before that being pregnant without marriage was bad, but having a baby out of wedlock was a very serious matter. I know there are many other problems, but that one, up to then affected every woman.

Does anyone want a used soapbox? Slightly worn, good price.

Dad

TiggerTwo, keep the soapbox

I have a closet full of them. My kids would take them away not to hear me
Why can Moms always be heard, Dads must talk to blank stares.

News flash: We are no more, or less, attentive to either parent. We ignore you both when you say things we don't feel like hearing!

How your reply has touched me. I am daily amazed that I still find people like yourself- loving, feeling, THINKING people who just have a capacity for seeing the good in the world. You truly "go placidly amidst the noise and haste" and desire to see the greatness in individual effort. I wish that I had your point of view. Somehow, and perhaps with time and desire, I will.

Your job as a father is to manage to your children's expectations. You won't do that, but you'll try. My fiance and his son have what I thought to be an odd relationship. What I have learned is that they love each other very much but they don't demonstrate that in the way I expect. So who has the wrong expectations? Well, me, obviously. I love my father very much. I have tried telling him that but still have no idea if he knows. I'm an old fart now, but am plagued with not knowing if my father understands how much I love him. And yes, he got his share of blank looks when I was younger.

I have some real fear about the RFID thing. It sits on two fronts. They ARE doing it today with the theory that it will be a boon to Alzheimer's patients. Perhaps it will. But I see other and more sinister uses of the technology. And starting there has the value of insuring that the practise will not be questioned closely- after all, it will HELP these people. Oddly enough, I know a quadriplegic that wouldn't put up with being tagged like that... even if it would "help" him.

President Carter proved this week that you may not dissent against this administration. When pressed for his opinion, he finally gave it, "I think that this administration is the worst in history". His personal opinion, nothing more. Nothing with teeth, an opinion reluctantly given. For his effort, he has been shredded by the White House for having an opinion, along with rather personal attacks on HIS presidency.

Now I don't think that Carter was a great President. I thought he was ineffective on a great many fronts. I think that people were hungry for change and thought that he would bring that.

I also think that Carter is a person of great integrity. He is a man of values that I can respect, and principles that I understand. He is the guy who, in his private life, has contributed greatly to a program that serves as a hand up, not a hand out. He only wants to serve his fellow man and has demonstrated that in many ways on many occasions.

But he disagreed with the White House and was therefore marginalised.

Do I think that this current administration is wrong? You bet. But they are the only game in town just now and go along to get along is the order of the day.

Complete change here...

I try really hard to stay off the pity pot where my health is concerned. I have had my share of hard times and want desperately to believe that they are over. What I want to believe and what I DO believe are often dissimilar. I wonder if there is a cure, but care less about a cure than awareness. At the Komen walk on Mother's Day, someone remarked that I stood out in all my pink ribbons. I said "Good!. If you can't see me, I can't raise your awareness."

Breast cancer has long been thought to be a "woman thing". Not so, but who cares? The number of men who die of this disease is far reaching. I know one male survivor on this board, met another recently, walk with a third.

I often have to stop the critical bus when I see peers making t!t jokes. I have to remember that the joke is normal, I am not. I have to have some openness to reality. (Not the best turn of phrase, but I need more coffee)

I can't tell you how much I appreciate the support I get from people like yourself. I walk to make you aware, you make ME aware by your support. WOW!

I know that things have been worse. But if I didn't believe that they could get better, I would have given up long ago. I believe they can and am willing to do all that I can to MAKE things better.

What Ropes did in opening this conversation was to encourage critical thinking- something that is widely discouraged in the world I live in. I was headed in the same path with the "What kind of World" thread. Ropes did it better. The world I want will cost some, but has a better return on investment than what I am living in.

I know it has been worse. I just want better. I'm scared of what could happen next based on the morons that run my country.

a mother like my wife. You would ignore her at your peril. She had a way of talking to any kid that got their attention fast. If I yelled at the kids it scared them, so I tried to avoid that. But with Mom, they knew they were in trouble.

Dad

note: how did you post to the right of the maximum level?

when I click the 'view all posts' I cannot reply to any 'you have reached your maximum level' message. However changing the 5208 to 5218 in the url takes me straight to the reply to post. Technet needs to fix this part, I don't mind viewing all posts. But at least this works

Thanks Absolutely

Dad

It was there a couple days ago. but I guess somebody decided we already had too many options and should not carry on our conversations more than 6 'levels' in from the original post.

Humbug!