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        <title><![CDATA[True. (NT)]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[nt]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JCitizen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:33:57 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[assumption is not presumptuous in this case]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[To be presumed innocent until proven guilty means, unequivocally, an assumption of privacy -- we reveal only such details as we choose.  In a court of law, with due process, even when accused of the most heinous crimes imagined, we have some right to withhold information.  Logically, then, in all other circumstances, we have the right to withhold any and all information we do not choose to share, each according to our own standards, not the community's.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Absolutely]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:50:12 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[As a business owner i think......]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[As a business owner in the IT world I would very much think that every IT should be getting as much new information as possible and if he is bettering himself on company time even better,( as long as his work gets done of course ) The only way to stay on top of your game now is constant learning, reading, forums, research, skillsoft, 24X7 Books, even extra college classes, it benefits the way the business is run. No different then companies that pay for an employee to school if you get better at your job things will be run more efficiently.Owner and Operator Alex PC Tech Richfield Home of the Techwarrior]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tech Warrior]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:15:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Totally agree]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Users do not have a right to privacy. However, snooping is a very bad idea. We limit that ability to the security officer only.  And we have an approval process to go with it.I would never put the IT support technicians in that position.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tmcclure]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:41:20 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You've got that one pegged cats&amp;dogs! (NT)]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[nt]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JCitizen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:07:07 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Don't get me started...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I have worked in private sector, and government. I prefer the private sector, even though I am in government at the moment.Unions had their place at one time...during the industrial revolution. But now they only seem to reward the lazy and hinder the ambitious. Egalitarianism at its worse. There is absolutely no incentive to do more and be innovative. The only thing you get from being a good worker is - more work. Usually the work that the slackers are not doing. And no compensation. No credit (managers take that), nothing. If anything, it also makes you an object of suspicion by managers who fear that you could be a threat to them, so they make sure that these people are kept in the pits and buried in meaningless and mundane work, until they too become bitter, old civil servants - like the rest of the lot. But on the upside, the benefits and job security are nice.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[cats&dogs]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:09:01 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Fair Enough]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Not an issue.  Appreciate your candar.  &quot;The reason that you received my post was mostly due to your little jab in the last line where you inferred that you were posting 'before' work, and not using company time to do it. &quot;As for that, indeed my intention was not to infer that at all.  If it came out that way, my appologies.I just hope that in all of this my point came across too.I've used work time for this as well.  And at no point meant for it to come off as though I wasn't.  I just wanted to throw in the devils advocate to point out that perhaps the &quot;watchers&quot; should be watching themselves as well.It's been a blast.  But I too have rown tired of this thread.Catch you all on the next one. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ScottComingThrough]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:40:36 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Lunch or break]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[many differentiate, because breaks are usually &quot;on the clock&quot; while lunch is usually off.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[TonytheTiger]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:17:57 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Joseph, to answer your questions]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What's the difference between taking a phone call and receiving an email from a spouse or child?One requires immediate attention (unless you allow it to go to voicemail). Otherwise there is no difference.Would an employer balk at someone making a doctor appointment using the company phone? What about making an airline reservation using the company computer and Internet connection? ..... If it should be against company policy to use any company equipment for any personal use, does that mean a person would be in violation if she made a personal grocery list on company letterhead using a company owned pencil? How about if she just typed it using the company owned software and then emailed it to her husband asking him to pick up on the way home?Some employers allow these things, others don't (mine does not, except in case of emergency). The ones who don't probably used to, but employees took advantage (give 'em an inch and they take a mile). One shouldn't &quot;expect&quot; these things though, unless they are specified in your contract or work rules... It's easy enough to simply ask.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[TonytheTiger]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:15:22 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Should users have the presumption of privacy?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Privacy?  You've Got to be kidding.Go to the grocery store and use your preferred customer card.  Use your debit card to purchase something.  Join some discussion group.All of these activities will enter some data about you into some database.  You still thing that you're enjoying your privacy and no-one can find out about you?  Google your full name.  I did and found a copy of my resume.  Fortunately, it's up-to-date.As an employee of a large outsourcing company at for a huge manufacturing company, I tell my clients that they should not send any e-mail that they don't want to see on the evening news.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jedmundson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:00:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Unions//]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I know what you mean; I've worked for unions but sometimes they just make things worse instead of better.At Eaton we had a lot of employees who were worthless, but the union wouldn't let the management fire them. Well now all their jobs went to someone else in Arkansas and Mexico. They got what they deserved; trouble is they hauled a lot of good people down with them.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JCitizen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:04:47 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Congressional Thinking]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Today's paper reported scuttlebutt (re: privacy) floating around Washington that favors changing the meaning of privacy, saying privacy can no longer mean anonymity, but maybe should be limited to peoples financial data.The impetus stems from (you'll remember the media tried to blame Bush for certain eavesdropping) congressional changes made to the 1978 law and now they need to finalize those changes. Discussions include everything from telecommunications companies and access to peoples private e-mails.This is only at the stage of congressional people talking over dinner, nothing has been formulated yet.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[lmenningen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:22:20 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Sad to say...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We do have policies, lots of 'em. The worst thing about this situation was - this is a government organization, but it is also a  unionized shop. You would think the rules would be stricter, but it is more about butt coverage than enforcing the rules.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[cats&dogs]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:17:44 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[wast of time != inappropriate activity at work]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Ok, I don't think we are in real disagreement on much of this here.  But your post was not about wasting time so much as about activity appropriate for work, meaning time you are getting paid for.'If at some point I led you to beleive that I was saying that &quot;all&quot; boards are a waste of time, that was certainly not my intention, nor my point.'Great!  but there are lots of valueable uses of blogs that have nothing to do with my job.  Say, if I were to go to a gardening blog, I would not be able to justify how that helped me be a better DBA or programmer or Network Admin.  This may be a great place to interact with other gardening gurus but I work in IT.&quot;But I do appreciate how you focused on a half line in my posting to criticize. Next time perhaps you could read the whole thing and bring something a little more inciteful to the table.&quot;Now lets not get testy.  I could have easily quoted your entire one paragraph post, and then responded to it line by line or word for word, but I find reading that type of post tiresome.  And I don't enjoy reading them.  The reason that you received my post was mostly due to your little jab in the last line where you inferred that you were posting 'before' work, and not using company time to do it.  You had raised the question to the group, &quot;Is participating in this and like forums acceptable online behavior at work, on the clock?&quot;  I wanted to make my case for saying, &quot;Yes, it is.&quot;Again, I don't thing we are really disagreeing on the topic.  I didn't mean to come off as making a personal attack.  That was not my intent.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[royhayward@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:51:16 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The Question]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You said, &quot;But a less obvious question -- where's that fine line?&quot;In this company, the answers are:Is it interfering with your job?Is it consuming excessive or expensive resources?Is it violating any laws?Is it making your coworkers uncomfortable?If there is a yes to any of these, then you will be watched and the company computer you use will be examined. There's only one person in this company who can't be fired because he did something inappropriate. That is the owner.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kkopp]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:29:49 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Our corporate policy is different]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[No personal files on local drive, no personal emails, no work files in emails, no work files on local drive. But then we are a hospital, and anything could be used to infringe a patient's privacy. So are supposed to call each other, and then we can send emails like, that patient we discussed on the phone has their treatment cancelled.In practice this isn't the case. Most users, especially if they have a laptop, want their data local so they can work from home. The problem is if they get canned, or the laptop gets stolen, no one will have access to, or even know that the information exists. Our IT policy is that after they are notified that the person quit, their network share and domain account is erased, so no patient info should be where only you can access it.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeGall]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:22:27 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Both ways...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We have computers that are both ways.Some computers belong to the position that the person is in (i.e.: Receptionist) and can expect no privacy, within reason.Some belong to the people in the position (i.e.: CEO and CFO) and I can only access these when required. I am the IT department for this company. I let people know that everything on their machine can be accessed without their consent if the need arises, but I won't unless asked to. My comment is to treat it like writing on a wall. If you wouldn't want it written on a wall, then don't put it on your computer. I treat mine the same way.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kkopp]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:14:09 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[No Privacy]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[My manual states that their is no expectation of privacy, and that all items are monitored. I actually had one woman who bithced because I was interfering with her candles business, which she was running from the receptionist computer, she realy went balistic when I deleted her spreasheets and contact lists, for her business. She is stealing time and assets from someone else now.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[lenwarren@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:09:17 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[False analogy...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Ones front door is the entrance to ones private property. Ones company network isn't ones property at all. Not even nearly the same is it?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[f.chapman@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:24:29 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[re: Correcting a quote]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[If at some point I led you to beleive that I was saying that &quot;all&quot; boards are a waste of time, that was certainly not my intention, nor my point.It was meant to point a general finger back at the people, us, that do the monitoring of others and have to make sure that business machines are protected.  As you know, and anyone else in IT i'm sure, we tend to get an idealistic and almost godlike sense of self when it comes to this job.  A &quot;we know what you do, we can find out, and we can turn it off if we want&quot; feeling.I just wanted to point out that even we can stray from the sidelines here and there.  And we even try and justify everything we do on the internet as &quot;training&quot;.  Anyone who says it's all &quot;training&quot; should look a little harder at what they use the internet for.  Just because we work with technology and use the internet to help us research and troubleshoot doesn't mean that we can justify all the time we spend on it during business hours.  I just hope that we can give that slack we take for granted, or not really notice, and give it back to the others in the company. Otherwise we are truly taking on a godliek roll and I don't really want that much responsibility. It's only my thoughts.&quot;If you think that all we do is blow off steam here. Maybe you are on the wrong blogs? &quot;Not exactly sure how you got that from my posting, but if that's what you think I think you do here, you are most certainly mistaken.But I do appreciate how you focused on a half line in my posting to criticize.  Next time perhaps you could read the whole thing and bring something a little more inciteful to the table.If you feel that posting on here brings value to your job and your employer that's great.  I hope it does.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ScottComingThrough]]></dc:creator>
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