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        <title><![CDATA[HSTR]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I worked with testing 100 mb token ring in a 24 story building. first 12 floors were 1000mb ethernet and the rest were HSTR, the speed difference was amazing the HSTR was noticibly faster for everything. We had some secure data breeches with employees bringing in their own ethernet wireless routers.Eventually they converted the building to HSTR and the system was secured....they were using it until last year when they contracted HP to upgrade and maintain the network and they completely rewired the highrise to 1000mb ethernet. A friend that works at the building let me know they have had lots of headaches and network downtime since the transition.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 11:51:58 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It is currently in use!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[A bit late in replying, but I am currently working on a system which is based on a Token-Ring network. The system is large and old - I'm unwilling to expose which system for commerical confidence reasons, however, if a system was introduced many years ago and is saftey critcal the saftey approach is - if it aint broke dont fix it!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Rudeboy1005]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 05:42:56 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I have some HSTR (High speed Token ring 100MB)]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We migrated to Ethernet 10/100/1000 a few years ago and have enough HSTR gear to support a company of 500 users in storage. Any one interested? Also have the transparent bridge to 10/100 in the core chassis. Just come get it, no charge...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JR256]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:56:53 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[*chuckle*  Thanks!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Me and my ego both thank you for the kind words. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[John Sheesley - TechRepublic Pro]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:48:54 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You are brillant John Sheesley]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You are brillant John Sheesley, very good answer]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[norin.radd@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:14:57 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[MAU exhibition at the The National Science Museum of Tokyon]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've seen an MAU exhibition at the The National Science Museum of Tokyon, pretty impressive...LoL]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:08:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Ah, the AS/400]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[When the AS/400 debuted in 1989 (?) it did not support Ethernet nor did it have an asynch capability. So 3IC customers had to buy into Token Ring and if they wanted their applicaton to drive another device, such as an optical juke box, they had to buy a little S/36 to sit next to the new box and house an asynch card for it.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:12:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Does anyone actually still USE Token Ring?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Used broken ring a lot in the day when there was PS/2 out there too.  AS/400 was another dino that held on to it for me.  Since about 1993 I have not seen it.  The cheap alternative - 4 pair ethernet ... could not bother buying so much gear.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jonathan@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:55:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[God that reminds me of a Token Ring that I used to work on]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[At this place they put up an extension in a Prefab concrete building and somehow managed to catch the single cable in that wall with a Tiger Bolt and crush it.Of course it didn't cause any problems straight away but a few weeks latter when the entire LAN Crashed it took ages to find the problem cable. If I remember correctly it took about 3 hours to track down the problem and about 30 minutes to replace the 1 Cable that was killed off by the builders.I don't think that they could have managed to take this out if they tried but as they where trying not to hit anything in an Old 98 Setup they followed Murphy's Law and trashed the entire setup. So Thanks I really needed to remember that incident. Col]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[HAL 9000]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:03:50 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I worked at a shop that used 3COM superstack TR]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[ans also 3COM CoreBuilder chassis-based switches with TR modules.  The 3COM gear was SNMP capable and had anti-beaconing circuitry that worked well. 3Com made both 'smart hubs' and Token Ring switches...all good stuff.It all used standard Cat5 wiring, and was very stable and reliable.Like the old betamax versus VHS debate, Token Ring handled busy network loads better than 10BT and had very good latency and throughput. Of course cheap switched fast ethernet blew it out of the water.Some companies, including IBM, were pushing 'fast token ring' that ran at 100MBS.Cisco made 802.11 Wireless Access Points that had a Token Ring interface. Aironet 340 TR, I believe.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[robo_dev]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:24:13 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Grocery Stores]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The local A&amp;P used IBM based POS equipment.  It was token ring.  I remember working one night where they had to break the ring to remove a register; the techs were sweating it hoping that the ring would come back after they cut the wires...]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:12:18 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Of course, creating an EM pulse that is strong enough to disrupt anything]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[really requires things that go boom and leave big mushroom clouds.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:43:02 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Token Ring Cabling]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Well, some cables used with TR were STP with a braided shield.  In theory, this might have provided some protection against some kind of EMP.  But, unless the entire facility was hardened protecting the cables won't do much good.  And hardening a building and everything in it is a bit expensive.  If he has clearance he shouldn't be telling you ANYTHING about the inside of his buildings, networks or computers.  That is just common sense.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:30:11 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[character]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Yeah, this guy is a real character. He's always yanking my chain, which he does brilliantly because he's a first percentile genius.He's got some kind of 'clearance,' so I should assume e's never going to tell me anything accurate about what's going on in the facility. So I insist anyway and he gives me hooey like that to get me off his back... yepNext time I'll assume the opposite of what he tells me. I did suspect they were using token ring because it's been long paid for and plain works.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[catseverywhere@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:00:32 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Just tossed a few MAU's in the trash]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We recently moved our office and did some house cleaning in the process. We tossed a few new still in the box MAU's and type 1 cable. We hadn't installed any of this for at least 9 years. I have visited many different facilities and haven't seen any token ring out there recently. How many companies still have thin-net , cheaper-net - RG58 coax, This cable was every where 15 years ago, it also was a pain if not installed properly and most of it wasn't. 95% of the issues with this cable was the connectors not installed properly and help desk telling the end user to wiggle the connector. This was a cheap way to wire a network 15 to 20 years ago.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[DL@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:59:36 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[UPS Just finished the upgrade]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I worked for United Parcel Service in there Technical Support Group and up until a year ago everything was ran on Tokenring 4/16mgbt. Using CAU, MAU, and LAM's or as we called it, &quot;The Farm&quot;. Using Tokenring as opposed to Ethernet was a little more challenging if you didn't have the proper mapping directory. If a node went out you would hear a clicking sound from the CAU or MAU which meant that the next node was not able to accept the token from the previous node. This may sound like a simple task but when your running over a 900 nodes in 1 center connected to a series of MAU's, CAU's and LAM's you have a full day of trace routing. With the switch to Ethernet, the time to locate the proper node to troubleshoot the issue dramatically decreased and the effciency of the network dramatically increased. Was there ever competition with Tokenring and Ethernet? I think not, we praised the conversion and laugh at IT horror stories about being on the farm. Tokenring although great in simplicity at times was a little too simple, especially when you apply it to networks on a larger scale. May IBM's Tokenring RIP as we move towards better network topography's]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:41:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I recently pulled some Cable to rewire a Token Ring.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It was a decent sized job in a place that makes Electrical Generation Equipment for the Power Generation Industry.All their manufacturing equipment is Computer Controlled and uses the Token Ring System. Works a treat as well I might add even if they are effectively using DOS for all the Manufacturing side of the business.There the Token Ring remains Totally Divorced from the Ethernet Network and they are more than happy with it. I don't think any of the Computer Controlled Equipment even comes with Ethernet as a option.Col]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[HAL 9000]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:07:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Hooey, Hooey, and Hooey]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Does your friend have a tinfoil hat also?At the mac layer, Token Ring is no better or worse than Ethernet from either a EMP or Van Eck style attack. The 'security through obscurity' argument does not hold water.A strong EMP is gonna bonk anything that uses digital circuitry, whatever the topology. Yes, I'll admit that since an old MAU or CAU only has relays, so they could probably work during a nuclear attack..... Some Military Contractors have a lot of legacy stuff, and their 'feast or famine' funding model leads to some really weird infrastructure.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[robo_dev]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:07:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[EMP]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I don't know if the guy was pulling my leg, but a friend told me his military-industrial complex &quot;skunk works&quot; office uses token ring. He said is was less prone to EMP interference originating from the outside, (aka &quot;attack&quot;) and is harder to sniff with advanced techniques like reading EMP spewing outward generated in various parts of the hardware.But from other appearances I've gotten from this guy over the years, I'd sooner believe it's purely &quot;it works, why spend money to replace it?&quot; at work here.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[catseverywhere@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:52:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[cost of wiring]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I never worked directly in that area, but I seem to remember that Ethernet would perform adequately over cheaper wiring than Token Ring.Also there was something about paying royalties to some Dutchman who had patented the idea of the token technology even though he never released a product.When IBM decided to re-wire its own buildings in the late 90's and early 00's, we had to carry both TR and Ethernet adaptors in our luggage because we never knew what we'd find at our destination.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jonsaint@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:24:33 -0700</pubDate>
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