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First off, I couldn't agree anymore with your comment about the first Gulf War. We should of finished the job then and we wouldn't be where we are today.

The world joined hand in hand to stop Saddam.

But, I personally believe that's why we are in the position we are today. Bush senior decided to play by the rules and follow the UN mandates and stop short of Baghdad.

Bush junior, realizing the mistakes of his father decided it was time to finish the job or else we'd be doing this for the next 20 years.

You remember the drill. No fly zones, occasional bombings, sanction after sanction. Nothing was working.

Yes I did notice that you were a bottom feeding rodent, if that was your point.

As for your brilliant support of your assertion, "gee the government covers that up so you will never see the truth."
What a crock! Yes, I'll agree that teh government tries to cover up most of what they do. I just didn't realize that you were workgin in such close relation to the government that you are actually advised of the real intent that most of America is not allowed to hear, my goodness you must be impotent.

You do realize that now you have given up the Caramilk secret that they will have to kill you, right? For someone with such inside information, you certainly are a security risk to the nation, perhaps they shouldn't have trusted a kiwi.

That's not a defense it is an opinion, one with so much bias that it isn't worthy of further consideration. I wish you were around when teh Iraq war was being discussed, we had some pretty clever and knowledgeable Americans here that would have quickly corrected your clueless views of reality. Originating from me, you wouldn't believe it if it was broadcast on every global news station in teh world anyway, that's teh way your narrow minded bias seems to work for you.

if you don't believe it, no matter what proof ispresented, you'll dent it, flame teh messenger and then come up with some absolute nonsense like, I could tell you but I'd have to kill you or of course they won't tell yuo that, it's top secret info (which only you seem to have access to and are free to share publicly). What a fool.

" 6+ years, fight two wars, and still win."

Uh, which wars have you won so far? Afghanistan? Nope, more voiolence now than ever before. Taliban? Nope, still in full force in their safe haven in Kandahar (a neighbouring city). AlQaeda? Nope,they have grown in ridiculous porportions and are said to be stronger and larger than before, with members in over 60 countries, including the USA. Yuo can't even rid the USA of AlQaeda, good luck doing that in the Middle East, Bosnia and other nations where they actively facelift cities (by adding elaborate mosques, and parks) and recruit anyone with a bone to pick on America.

As for Iraq, yeah what a screamign success that one is, UK troops often refuse to fight alongside Americans due to thier "cowboy mentality", where are all the others? When they interview Americans in Iraq, American soldiers don't think they are "winning" anythign at all, in fact they are frustrated that theres'nothing they CAN do. Recent field documentaries have had reporters embedded with US troops in lookout camps, they watch insurgnts walk freely around outside their own walls, and there's nothing they can do. They meet with locals, only to find otu that the insurgenmts have threatened them against talking with US troops and also PAY them to offer false info to US troops.

The US can hardly say they have a grip on this one yet.

I am not saying that you don't have mroe resources to fight a 200 year war in teh Middle East, but if you think "you've won" you need to give your head a shake.

Why two wars have you WON? WW!? nope. WWII? Nope. Korea, Vietnam,? What?

Having a few hundred thousand troops and spending billions of dollars of taxpayers money whil eputting your nation into an economic crunch does not equate to winning a war in any way shape or form.

Re the Gulf War: "We should of finished the job"

I agree fully. You took the focus and force away when it was needed, leaving the cancer to spread once again.

But Saddam himself is/was never your biggest threat, in fact he was pretty good at keeping the radical fundamentalists in check and keeping HIS people under HIS rule.

But of course, leaving Afghanistan before THAT job was finished is completely logical, based on past experiences that was clearly the best soliution. Even though it has reverted to what it was before you saved the poor Afghans, it was a job well done, just don't look back and everything is AOK!

I'm curious about something. Has the US ever WON a war?

You know, everytime someone says the US lost the Vietnam war I'm reminded of something that happened back in the early 1980's. I was working at a place that had hired a Vietnam refugee. He was a whiny, cry-baby type and we got into a spat about something one day. He babbled something about the US having lost the Vietnam war. And a thought ocurred to me. I live about 50 miles from where I was born and raised and I am free to go back there any time I wish to. In fact, I was free to do anything I wanted to do so long as it wasn't illegal. On the other hand, he had fled his birth place and homeland under gun fire and could never go back. To me it didn't sound like the US lost the war, it sounded more like South Vietnam lost the war.

Just a thought.

?Yes I did notice that you were a bottom feeding rodent, if that was your point.?

Ratbag that is one of the nicest names I have seen you use
No that was NOT my point
You misunderstood AGAIN

?As for your brilliant support of your assertion, "gee the government covers that up so you will never see the truth."
What a crock! Yes, I'll agree that teh government tries to cover up most of what they do. I just didn't realize that you were workgin in such close relation to the government that you are actually advised of the real intent that most of America is not allowed to hear, my goodness you must be impotent.?

LOL impotent (another hidden insult)
Good one that
Thanks for the laugh

You are not very good at this are you?
Poor comprehension skills
Bad spelling
Arrogant
Do you ever wonder why you get so little respect?

?You do realize that now you have given up the Caramilk secret that they will have to kill you, right? For someone with such inside information, you certainly are a security risk to the nation, perhaps they shouldn't have trusted a kiwi.?

Well my government trusts kiwis all the time
Could be fun to see if the Canadian government would accept my job application
I would have to try for citizenship first
No forget it
Not interested in living in the same country as you

?That's not a defense it is an opinion, one with so much bias that it isn't worthy of further consideration. I wish you were around when teh Iraq war was being discussed, we had some pretty clever and knowledgeable Americans here that would have quickly corrected your clueless views of reality. Originating from me, you wouldn't believe it if it was broadcast on every global news station in teh world anyway, that's teh way your narrow minded bias seems to work for you.?

If you don?t like what I write don?t read it

Bias? Were did you get that from
Sure I don?t like politicians
I thought you felt the same
Does that make you biased?

The Iraq war
I have already said the Iraq war should have never happened
What would be the point in discussing it?
Yes there was some very clever north Americans discussing it
None of them were you
You just looked stupid

The rest of what you wrote is just a meaningless rant
And an attempt to start one of those stupid off topic flame wars

Get a clue dummy

Re You are both right

?But Saddam himself is/was never your biggest threat, in fact he was pretty good at keeping the radical fundamentalists in check and keeping HIS people under HIS rule.?

Isn?t it good how politics and justice have very little in common

Saddam started the war the
The JUST thing would have been his death
Then maybe the people of Kuwait may have had some justice
Not to mention the families of the Iraq solders who died

Do you understand that?
Or is it more important for you
To argue about facts and politics
In an off topic argument about history

Go sit by the crick and blow into your jug some more, Zeek. Billy Bob and Dusty's Boys will be along with the washboard, spoons and banjo shortly.

I almost fell out of my chair laughing lol

The banjo plucking away? LOL

I grew in rural, southern, redneck, porch-sittin, banjo pickin, grass chewin, Redman tobacco spittin, you're queer if ya ain't drivin a pickup truck, stetson hat wearin, wrangler jean buyin, bible-belt Oklahoma.

It reminded me of about 60 percent of the people I grew up around lol

(And yes, I knew two brothers named Joe Don and Bubba...lol)

I guess THEY don't like show tunes IN Oklahahoma either huh?

I was in the musical Oklahahoma in high school, dancing around like a knob with a Stetson on and straw hangin' outta my mouth. We weren't allowed any 'baccy then though.


Yeee haw, "OOOOOOOOOOOKLaaaaaaaa-homa where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain"

All the while you're thinking , alright Curtain drops next, then I can get out of this stupid cowboy crap and go drink that cold beer in my locker.

not too many people have died from "second-hand spit"

I never fit in there really.
Others wore Wrangler, I wore Levis.
Others wore Stetson hats, I wore baseball caps.
Others wore Nocona or Tony Lama boots, I wore running shoes.
Others were into partying, I was...well, I partied my senior year. lol

I was in a play too, but I played Santa Claus. Damn elementary schools lol

True.

Of course, they can't tie cancer to second-hand smoke either. A pommegrant has more nicotine in it than a pack of cigarettes. Plus, they can show you people who were around smokers all their lives who never got cancer.

Second-hand smoke doesn't kill. It's your genetics. Blame your parents. lol

(But, it sure makes things smell bad. lol :D)

they can't tie cancer to second-hand smoke either

and the evidence they have is growing weaker. Radon exposure causes more cancer, and guess where it accumulates? In the same places second-hand smoke accumulates. But you can't SEE radon gas, so you don't BLAME radon gas.

Just like some people think diesel exhaust is dirtier than gasoline exhaust... it's not!

from what I understand, the soils in NC, SC and VA (where the majority of cig tobacco is grown) are rich in radon.

I bet that tobacco absorbs radon real nice, along with all the other chemicals and pesticides they use growing it.

Cancer cocktail, anyone? lol

Many of the chemicals in processed tobacco come from the drying process, where they hang the tobacco on racks, but them in sheds and dry them out by using propane/Natural gas heaters. The sheds I've seen get sealed up tight meaning there is no place for the particulate created by the heaters to go, and the tobacco absorbs it.

James

I can juet ssee pomegranates with nicotine warnings on them like Canadaian cigarettes.

Surgeon generals Warning: Eating pomegranates can cause cancer, and ugly teeth!

I think what you are referring to are polyphenols which offer the same simulus as nicotine and are sometimes used as a replacement for dealing with withdrawl symptoms. I don't believe they actually have nicotine in them though, however I may be wrong on that entirely.

http://www.smoke-free.ca/warnings/Canada-warnings.htm

I don't know why I keep mixing you guys mixed up!

Sorry but it happens all the time, especially when you are both sharing in the same part of a thread and I am replying to both of your posts.

I say you're just screwing with my head.

But in all fairness, I just had to wade through another senseless rant from DanLM, you thought MY typing was bad, that stuff is like trying to read latin on acid with a glass eye.

after all, they both start with a "J". Very confusing....


And except for when the typos are funny, you will NEVER hear ME b1tch'en about it!

Somehow it just doesn't shine out of the void I consider my mind.

It's that same void that's gets me hung up in 300 posts discussions with people who have no idea what they are on about and just want to play, 'I know I am but what are you' for a week or so, uh oh, here's he comes again.

Have a look at 'The energy non crisis'on you tube and remember it was posted jan 07

Ethanol is good but if you look at the power output it is 25% less than petrol. So it should be at least that much cheaper.
Our govt is pushing it and selling it the same price as 91. So why bother buying it. But Joe Public does not do the homework and thinks its the green wonder, and our local tree huggers think its the answer too. And they are in govt

Ethanol is good but if you look at the power output it is 25% less than petrol. So it should be at least that much cheaper.

It costs MORE to produce, and you burn more of it to get the same amount of work done. Not to mention that it also increases the cost of our food.

Embrace the second amendment, friend

our friends at the ATF and FBI will be glad to know that lol

now you know the real reason for those spy programs... It's not to protect us from foreign terrorists, it's to protect the government from the people who are getting increasingly pissed off

that government...has a lot more, and a lot bigger sized, rounds than 30,000

Plus, they got more people to fire back at with too.

BTW, I only have about 200 rounds. I guess that means I'm a better shot lol

I don't have to worry tho. They know I'm a member of HAP...Heavily Armed Pacifists...our motto...peace through superior firepower lol

I guess that means I'm a better shot

... you're not anticipating as many targets.

that government...has a lot more, and a lot bigger sized, rounds than 30,000

They also know that I am not the only one... there are dozens that I know of, and many many more that I don't. There's also a great likelihood that many agents would be more loyal to the "government of the people" than to "the bureaucracy", especially if that bureaucracy was to take to the blatant wholesale violation of peoples' constitutional rights.

They know I'm a member of HAP...Heavily Armed Pacifists...our motto...peace through superior firepower

I like that (except the pacifist part. I do not believe in "peace at all costs")... I have never attacked another human being in my life, and never would... But I can and will defend. How well will have to be determined.

But, only when they attacked first or were attacking/had attacked someone else.

None of them faired well either. And, I didn't even use a gun

were attacking

is how I would define "defending".

when they attacked first

I would call this retaliation.

/had attacked someone else

this too, unless I had good reason to believe they were preparing to attack me or someone I wanted to protect, in which case I'd call it a "preemptive strike"

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"After reading the following two articles, I have come to the conclusion that the granola eating, hairy armpit, tree hugging crowd along with the professors, '60's flower power, and theoretical BS crowd just don't get it."

What don't your steroptypical granola eating, hairy armpit, tree hugging crowd along with the professors, '60's flower power, and theoretical BS crowd don't get?

It looks like they share the same view as you, a reduction in resources will benefit everyone. Creation of new energy sources etc.

First of all your sterotype is too broad to apply here;

What does eating granola and living healthy have to do with your sterotype?

What do women with unshaved armpits have to do with it?

"Tree hugging" is the nickname for a practice of preserving trees fro mclearcutting by forestry companies, how do THEY play part in your analogy?

To further lump professors, you didn't go to University I assume, have to do with your little rant?

60's flower power? Okay so you are proposing that pot smoking hippies from the 60's have something to do with it now? (possibly overlooking the fact that many of them own todays corporations.)

Theoretical BS crowd.....sorry the article you posted was 100% theoretical, simply conclusions someone reached based on culminating facts.

Who is it you are trying to attack?

health nuts? preservationists? scholars? community leaders?

You've included teh gamut in your rant but without any realistic or relevance to any of it.

In short, the article says very little other than specualation based on forecasting.

Well that and the fact that your system in teh US doesn't offer accurate milage comparissons.
In Canada we already base our mileage on how many litres are burned for every 100 kms.

Gas prices are still higher here than yours and we PROVIDE yours, mostly through a former crown corporation, sure there may be SOME 'towel heads' working for Petro Canada/BP but they are often even more Canadian than I am.

Just don't see the basis for your rant.

"Oh that'll be handy, been watching Deliverance? "git awf ma layand!"

Go sit by the crick and blow into your jug some more, Zeek. Billy Bob and Dusty's Boys will be along with the washboard, spoons and banjo shortly."


Yeah, stereotypes are bad....

Loc's law #37: To know what someone will do, watch what he accuses others of doing.

If you don't see the joke in that, it at least explains why you don't catch onto much around here and have so many problems with reading too deep into what has been said instead of getting a feel for the intent of the post itself.

Is there a whole list you can link to?

I have about 55.

It had posted a heads up on libel but I think I see where you are going with it now so I've renegged my comments.

You seem to have missed the fun in that, oh well, what else is new.

In a new article at ABCNews.com: http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5235731
it is reported that the high fuel costs are having the benefit of bring jobs back home from overseas. The reason given is that it costs less to manufacture locally than it does offshore and ship back in.

The downside is more people will be employed but they may have trouble getting to work
Oh well at least they will have a job

I wonder what will happen in China?

I have to wonder
All that fuel used to move things that could have been made down the road

So there you have it
Out sourcing was created by low transport costs
So the price of fuel was to low for too long

the falling US dollar is also a contributor of jobs coming back home.

Funny how something suckingass can be a good thing for some, huh?

Either way, jobs, welcome home!

Rising dollar in Canada means layoffs in some sectors, people who work making products mostly bought by Americans. Many Canadians used to make a living because our labour costs were lower but no longer.

Regarding outsourcing, the latest is to move call centers to rural centers - lower cost of living, lower wages, but at least in the same country.

I was calling my internet provider yesterday and spoke with a customer service rep in India. I really had to lead them through the nose to get what I needed from them. It was frustrating.

James

The only benefit I see is a sign I saw about 2 days ago just outside a bar:

"Finally, beer is cheaper than gas. Drink, Don't Drive."

Basically, there 3 means to get gas prices down:

Immediate means- personal conservation:

carpool, plan trips and do things all in one circuit rather than back and forth for each task, take your lunch to work instead of driving to McDonalds or Subway, turn out lights when you're not using them, walk to the convenience store instead of driving 2-3 blocks.

Near-term (6 months to 5 years) - corporate development:

develop more fuel efficient cars, downtrend large pricey gas-guzzling vehicles and (due to supply being low?) price them outrageously ($100k and up), work toward migrating to green technologies rather than sitting on 150 year old ones, move toward instancing a workplace environment that utilizes natural means of operations rather than man-made, implement existing alternative, green(er) technology.

long-term (5 years and out) - resource exploration and optimization:

finding what new resources can be tapped, developing technologies that will best utilize them and waste the least possible, and developing new technologies that minimize or don't at all have dependence on fossil fuels.

But no matter what anyone says...the only way to get *immediate* relief at the pump...is for all of us to do our part.

If demand doesn't go down, the market and corporates will continue to drive it up through speculation and processing control.

Otherwise, we're all in for 1-5 years of high gas prices.

http://sodahead.com/question/106722/

Oops!

I'd be there with the 250 gallon water tank in the back of a truck!

Then I'd sell to my neighbors at $2.50 a gallon lol