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Well . . . that was productive.
"If you ever challenged (or rather insulted me) in public the way you did online, it may just require a test of your healthcare system."
Quoth Isaac Asimov, "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent." I'll refrain from making reference to the other obvious interpretation of your response -- the interpretation that alleges malevolence.
Now -- please point out the insult. If I have wronged you, I'll be happy to apologize. No matter how many times I reread my previous statements, however, I see no offense. I have gone to great lengths to avoid descending into personal attacks the way you have. Considering one of the easiest ways to piss me off is to claim I intended meaning I neither intended nor delivered by literal word, I think I've been beyond reasonable with you.
In case it helps you find and quote for me what exactly you found insulting, I'll link to my comments that first offended you. Please directly quote my offense, and -- for the sake of my apparently poor ability to recognize such misbehavior in myself -- explain to me why it is offensive.
"Or maybe you should start making use of it already for your personal problems, which include, but are not limited to your inability to 'challenge' people without insulting them."
Insinuating you have some special knowledge of my mental health in no way gives your "arguments" the appearance of validity.
"I like enlightening discussions or debates, not belittling attacks."
I suppose it would be childish of me to point out you "started it". Oh, well -- too late, anyway.
"Perhaps you're the one that is challenged."
The irony is palpable.
"The fact that you didn't, but instead resorted to attacking me shows who you are."
I'm having difficulty coming up with a term stronger than "palpable" at this point.
"You're the one claiming that you follow Canadian news. So, provide your 'facts' first. Then shove them where they count."
This is non-responsive. In no way does it address the question to which it is a reaction. With comments like this -- is it any wonder the discussion isn't getting anywhere? Even when you fail to take everything personally, and refrain from flaming me, you provide no traction for discussion. Instead, you attack straw men.
Perhaps you didn't notice I wasn't asking you to prove anything with the line of discussion I was pursuing at that point. Do you somehow think I was? Is that where your objection to what I said arises?
"What's your point? Is this type of activity the exclusive domain of Canada or healthcare for matter?"
I do not think you are very familiar with the process of reasoned argumentation. Not everything one says under such circumstances is a point, in and of itself. Sometimes, one must lay the groundwork for an argument before making the argument. If you insist on reading unintended meaning into everything I say, we aren't going to get anywhere.
Of course, by responding with simple questions and an expression of disagreements with accusations and offense, you pretty much guaranteed that we wouldn't be able to get anywhere useful from the very beginning.
"Or really? What about your pathetic rants on socialism and socialist systems?"
Just for the sake of argument, I'll assume what you said was something reasonable -- like "What about your implication that there are problems with the Canadian system suggesting that its primary aim is doing more harm than good?"
. . . to which I say that I can claim the US system can do more harm than good without implying the Canadian system isn't -- and vice versa. The successes of the two systems are not inversely proportional.
"Not true. But, I'd rather get my information first-hand supported by secondary facts rather than just rely only on the 'news'."
You missed my point -- that your use of personal experience and dismissal of mine as unworthy of a response is extremely hypocritical.
"You're right I did show condescension, but I was merely giving you a taste of your own medicine, which apparently you can't handle even in the smallest of doses."
Your claim that I opened with condescension is unsupported. Was that a preemptive strike, then?
"Go find someone who cares about your opinions and stand to listen to them beneath all that self-importance and bitterness."
I find the tendency of some people to assume self-importance in others just because they believe something strongly, and bitterness in others without any reason for it at all, whenever they find themselves disagreeing with those others, quite strange.
"Never before, has my opinion of someone online sunk so quickly as it has with you."
I wonder why you keep bringing up your opinion of me.
If you just repeat yourself again, I shan't attempt to point out your erroneous assumptions any longer.
Quoth Isaac Asimov, "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent." I'll refrain from making reference to the other obvious interpretation of your response -- the interpretation that alleges malevolence.
Now -- please point out the insult. If I have wronged you, I'll be happy to apologize. No matter how many times I reread my previous statements, however, I see no offense. I have gone to great lengths to avoid descending into personal attacks the way you have. Considering one of the easiest ways to piss me off is to claim I intended meaning I neither intended nor delivered by literal word, I think I've been beyond reasonable with you.
In case it helps you find and quote for me what exactly you found insulting, I'll link to my comments that first offended you. Please directly quote my offense, and -- for the sake of my apparently poor ability to recognize such misbehavior in myself -- explain to me why it is offensive.
"Or maybe you should start making use of it already for your personal problems, which include, but are not limited to your inability to 'challenge' people without insulting them."
Insinuating you have some special knowledge of my mental health in no way gives your "arguments" the appearance of validity.
"I like enlightening discussions or debates, not belittling attacks."
I suppose it would be childish of me to point out you "started it". Oh, well -- too late, anyway.
"Perhaps you're the one that is challenged."
The irony is palpable.
"The fact that you didn't, but instead resorted to attacking me shows who you are."
I'm having difficulty coming up with a term stronger than "palpable" at this point.
"You're the one claiming that you follow Canadian news. So, provide your 'facts' first. Then shove them where they count."
This is non-responsive. In no way does it address the question to which it is a reaction. With comments like this -- is it any wonder the discussion isn't getting anywhere? Even when you fail to take everything personally, and refrain from flaming me, you provide no traction for discussion. Instead, you attack straw men.
Perhaps you didn't notice I wasn't asking you to prove anything with the line of discussion I was pursuing at that point. Do you somehow think I was? Is that where your objection to what I said arises?
"What's your point? Is this type of activity the exclusive domain of Canada or healthcare for matter?"
I do not think you are very familiar with the process of reasoned argumentation. Not everything one says under such circumstances is a point, in and of itself. Sometimes, one must lay the groundwork for an argument before making the argument. If you insist on reading unintended meaning into everything I say, we aren't going to get anywhere.
Of course, by responding with simple questions and an expression of disagreements with accusations and offense, you pretty much guaranteed that we wouldn't be able to get anywhere useful from the very beginning.
"Or really? What about your pathetic rants on socialism and socialist systems?"
Just for the sake of argument, I'll assume what you said was something reasonable -- like "What about your implication that there are problems with the Canadian system suggesting that its primary aim is doing more harm than good?"
. . . to which I say that I can claim the US system can do more harm than good without implying the Canadian system isn't -- and vice versa. The successes of the two systems are not inversely proportional.
"Not true. But, I'd rather get my information first-hand supported by secondary facts rather than just rely only on the 'news'."
You missed my point -- that your use of personal experience and dismissal of mine as unworthy of a response is extremely hypocritical.
"You're right I did show condescension, but I was merely giving you a taste of your own medicine, which apparently you can't handle even in the smallest of doses."
Your claim that I opened with condescension is unsupported. Was that a preemptive strike, then?
"Go find someone who cares about your opinions and stand to listen to them beneath all that self-importance and bitterness."
I find the tendency of some people to assume self-importance in others just because they believe something strongly, and bitterness in others without any reason for it at all, whenever they find themselves disagreeing with those others, quite strange.
"Never before, has my opinion of someone online sunk so quickly as it has with you."
I wonder why you keep bringing up your opinion of me.
If you just repeat yourself again, I shan't attempt to point out your erroneous assumptions any longer.
Posted by apotheon
Updated - 22nd Oct 2008



