<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
<rss version="2.0" xmlns:s="http://www.techrepublic.com/search" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"  xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">
<channel>
    <title><![CDATA[Discussion on Help desk techs are owed overtime pay ]]></title>
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351]]></link>
    <atom:link rel="hub" type="application/rss+xml" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/" />
    <atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351/rss" />

    <description><![CDATA[]]></description>
    <language>en-us</language>
    <lastBuildDate>2013-06-19T06:49:11-07:00</lastBuildDate>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Good point]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2660054]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Reisen55,The sentiment in your post may not apply to ElectronicsMD, and it certainly does not apply to myself, but it is the sentiment of a large majority of state workers.  They have assumed an institutionalized mentality.&quot;I work for the state.  My job is from 7:45 to 4:30 and then I go home.  I refuse to put in any extra effort/time/etc.  There is nothing you can do about it because we are unionized. You will be assimilated into the underqualified and underperforming collective of mindless robots.&quot;I came from private sector so when I see this mentality it drives me nuts.  It really makes me want to fire all of the idiots who are getting ready to retire from jobs where they have been allowed to stagnate in for 30+ years.  It pisses me off even more that my tax dollars are paying for their retirements.I refuse to leave a critical project unfinished, and if they say that no OT or comp is allowed in the future, I would still not leave loose ends hanging.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2660054]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Selltekk]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:43:28 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[OT is a Patriotic Asset?]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659917]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Wow, really. I had no idea it was un-American to take it dry. You've made a lot of assumptions about this persons situation that really can't be made based on what was written. I admire your passion and pride, but if you went off like that on people while working for me - we'd have to have a career planning session.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659917]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[gm1971]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:25:55 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Good call]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659916]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Then the question becomes whether you are up for the task or whether they can't plan anything properly. I had this problem before. When another programmer couldn't do what I was supposed to do in the same amount of time, the manager still blamed me. I asked him why he needed 70 hours to develop the design, when I was supposed to do all the cut-up, database design AND programming in 50. I worked an additional 50 hours for free on that project. Needless to say, I left that company.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659916]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[gm1971]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:19:25 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Ha ha, this sounds familiar...]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659781]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[The university I worked for claimed that, too, and said that any position that was consistently requiring OT should be &quot;redesigned.&quot;I chose to handle things as you do, and avoid working over hours. As you point out though, if they require you to work OT, they gotta pay.Thanks for chiming in, Jeff.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659781]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[williamjones]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:37:13 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[You make a good point]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659777]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[...worth remembering. In Canada, like the US, you cannot agree to a situation that strips you of your rights provided under employment law.Thanks for weighing in.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659777]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[williamjones]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:26:59 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[from the other side of the pond]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659687]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[I had this discussion with one of my senior managers, we often work unpaid hours and his view was that my job had been designed to be completed within my contracted hours, therefore if I didn't manage it all in the allotted time it was my fault, not his.  As a result of this, I now stop at 5 pm and let the work pile up.  from time to time I am offered overtime pay to clear the backlog, which I invariably decline, citing the decision given earlier.  Bolshy? of course, but I find that I get help from other members of the team instead.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659687]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Dray]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:16:39 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Canadian Side]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659127]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[In Canada, it varies from province to province as well. Sometimes the employer will it in your terms of employment that you waive the right to OT. This is a smokescreen - you are still entitled no matter what you sign.The way around that may be hour-averaging over a pay-period or promoting the person to a title with Manager in it. In some provinces, as soon as you are a manager of any type, you are not entitled to OT.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2659127]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[gm1971]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:24:30 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Lack of US employment laws]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2657288]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[That's the way it works here, in canada too.  But Employment Standards ensures that you HAVE to have an averaging agreement signed by the employer and employee, which is to be updated and signed each year.It is for people who work shifts where they are at work three days a week but for 16-20+ hrs each day.&quot;You can't complain to the Labor Board because my employer is State government and they run the Labor Board! &quot;YEah, that's why an independent, Employment standards Act needs to be written and enforced in the US as it is in Canada too.  It scares the crap out of employers when they know they have to toe the line or pay up.  Our ESA defends the employee from the employer, it seems that any similar laws in teh US are designed to protect the employer and allow them to abuse human/employee rights.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2657288]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Oz_Media]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:14:26 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Neither are allowed]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2656969]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Neither are allowed here.  OT as pay is forbidden and OT as Comp is severely frowned upon.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2656969]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[unhappyuser]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:49:28 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[OT not allowed]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2656968]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[OT is not allowed.  I get grief if I work ANY OT.  I have a high work ethic and put in 100%+ in everything I do.  If I worked for you, and you allowed OT, I'd stay until the job was complete.  I don't have that option here.  It's stupid but some number cruncher thinks they know best.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2656968]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[unhappyuser]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:47:30 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[So you avoid OT Entirely?]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2656109]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Great career move - NOT.  I presume that you can be onsite and working on a CRITICAL PROJECT and at 5pm BYE BYE, I AM GONE no matter if the server is left hanging or in some non-working state?????  Pardon me but as AMERICAN WORKERS we, at least I, take fierce pride in what I do for my accounts and your work ethic is horrible.  I'd can your ass in a heartbeat if you left a site and left something hanging simply because of overtime.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2656109]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[reisen55@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:25:11 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Thanks will do.]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655924]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Thanks William and calgon7_2000 for the supportive replies. I will definitely follow up with my manager this week.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655924]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Techic]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:47:32 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Public Sector has different rules]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655271]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[You mention that you work for state government, EMD. There are different rules regarding how the public sector can compensate employees in the US. The public sector can use comp time, for instance.I think these issues are confusing, so many employees are like you, and they do what they can to avoid working OT.The ironic thing is, employed the right way, OT could be a great motivator for employees, and employers could see increased morale and productivity in situations where the extra-hours work is really needed.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655271]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[williamjones]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:52:29 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Some info on Comp Time in the U.S....]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655270]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Below you'll find some links I've dug up, including the requisite link to Wikipedia. ;)My interpretation of these sources, at least regarding US Law:Private sector employers cannot require comp time be taken in lieu of receiving overtime pay...that's illegal under the Fair Labor Standards Act.Comp time can be used in the public sector (governments, state-funded education institutions, etc.), in certain situations.Some more sources of info... The &quot;time off in lieu&quot; section  of Wikipedia's article on OT An article on NOLO.COM regarding the issue of Comp Time , which also offers idea of legal worker-friendly ways to keep overtime costs down Title 29, Chapter 8, Section 207 of the US Code, addressing Maximum Hours under the FLSA. Jump to sub-section (o) for the issue of comp time. Only public institutions are explicitly allowed.edited to correct formatting]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655270]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[williamjones]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:42:34 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Sadly, not everyone gets a contract]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655227]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[And with the economy the way it is, I know some people are just glad to get any hours they can. The sad truth is, a lot of employees might have a legitimate worry about being let go over something like contested overtime pay.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655227]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[gothsleepy1@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:13:21 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Totally Agree]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655192]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[My post I think was taken the wrong way.By no means do I expect to take advantage of my employees.  However, by the same token, many should feel lucky for their job right now and if they don't, they should find another.I have found that comp time is easier and both sides typically like better than pure $.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655192]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[rkuhn@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:04:38 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Reminder ;)]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655137]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[You might want to remind your manager, Technic, the the FLSA is a FEDERAL law...and therefore is &quot;legitimate&quot; across the nation. When and if there is a conflict with state interpretation of the FLSA, the CT DOL told me that whichever interpretation protects more of the person's rights supercedes the other.  In my experience, if you think there's unfairness going on, then there probably is - and it might behoove you to at least make a call to your local DOL. Here in CT they have an entire division dedicated to IT related issues, and your employers enver have to know that you called. You're entitled to protect your rights my friend ]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2655137]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[calgon7_2000@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:44:46 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Comp Time]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2654997]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[middmann in Texas if you work more than 40 hours then you get overtime period.  Oh by the way this federal law and states cannot subtract anything from federal law and can add to it.  If you read them closely a lot of the paragraphs refer to federal law anyway.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2654997]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[bmankoff@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:45:51 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Comp time versus overtime.]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2654750]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[.I've read in some of these replies that comp time isn't legal in some states. But is that ALL states? Is there a federal law? Do state laws differ? Does anyone know for sure and/or have a link to pertinent Web pages?Interesting article, William - thanks.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2654750]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe_R]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:43:49 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
             

    <item>
        <title><![CDATA[Double post - disregard]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2654749]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[.]]></description>
        <guid><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-280351-2654749]]></guid>
        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe_R]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:42:58 -0800</pubDate>
    </item>
    </channel>
</rss>

