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        <title><![CDATA[Not a pre-req]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There is no such thing as a general &quot;System Center&quot; product, so it is not a prerequisite. &quot;System Center&quot; is just a name Microsoft adds on to products to indicate that they are used for management.J.Ja]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin James]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:24:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[VMs and backups]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3043704]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Well, I'm actually doing it BOTH ways.  Nightly, each VM individually runs Windows Backup, as if it were a physical machine, so I can restore individual items to them if needed. I recently (has not run yet, so I can't verify that it works) set up Windows Backup to backup the Hyper-V VM itself, so I have a &quot;1 file restoration&quot; of the entire VM. These are being done once per month, as a &quot;panic button&quot; backup (like, &quot;gee, this thing is so mangled, let's roll it back 2 weeks, that's better than nothing&quot;).To do the latter, though, used to take quite a good deal of work, since Windows Backup was not &quot;aware&quot; of Hyper-V out of the box. Microsoft has since released a hotfix (after applying the hotfix, you need to tweak the registry) to make WB Hyper-V aware. The details on that can be found at:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958662Hope this helps!J.Ja]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin James]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:23:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Is System Center a prereq?]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3041951]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Can DPM run in a System Center free  environment?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[dain@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:43:35 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[VMs simply run Windows backup]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3041708]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[How did you get an entire VM to back up using just windows backup?(or are you talking about data on the VM?)]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[The 'G-Man.']]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:36:23 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Dell MD1000]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3041707]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Is A DAS device not a SAN.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[The 'G-Man.']]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:29:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I really must setup a few VMs and give Backula a go]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3038180]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[cron and ssh is our current method for the few Unix like servers currently. I'd like to be able to put a true backup server in a few places to manage workstations though. Backula has the clients across platforms and could be scaled up to enterprise if any of the small offices suddenly became very successful.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Neon Samurai]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:23:12 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[AMEN TO THAT!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[&quot;And if it knows the replica is out of sync, why doesn't it run the sync job itself?&quot;There are a lot of &quot;recovery&quot; items that are totally missing from DPM... I really wish these options existed.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[aaronbenson@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:31:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Can't compare to Backula]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've never used Backula, so I can't compare. Sorry! I can compare it to using cron jobs and dump, though. J.Ja]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin James]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:00:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What we use]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We have a monster-sized box (14 1TB drives in it). It doubles as our file server and our VM host (I would have liked to keep the two separate, but budget and all of that, it made sense to combine them). Those drives are in a number of different RAIDs; 3 of the RAIDs are for nearline backups: an area for nightly backups (large neough to keep 4 days' worth on hand), an area for backups of System Imagage (we irregularly make system images of desktops), and an area for backups of the VM files directly (weekly for our active VM for testing, monthly for our archived VMs for testing, and irregularly for the VMs of our servers).From there, on a nightly basis, all of the VMs simply run Windows backup, and do a FULL dump to the first backup area mentioned. Each night, the system rotates that area, again, retaining 4 days. In addition, the file server backups up to there as well nightly, as well as our physical domain controller. Because the backup in Windows 2008 is still not properly Exchange 2008 aware, my Exchange box has to shut down the Information Storage service before backing up, and start it after the backup is done.My experience has been that SQL DB's are where you do the most restores to, especially when working on a new deployment pre-production. So, I put some extra special attention there. The SQL Server makes a direct, deliberate backup (as opposed to what you get when the hole server backs up) to an area on it's own disk nightly, retained for 14 days. In addition, after the nightly backup is performed (which in turn, backs up those 14 SQL server backups), I make a copy of the most recent backup file to the backup area. This way, I have a LOT of extra redundancy, and more depth to our nearline backups for SQL Server.One a week, we plug in an external drive and copy the most recent backup, plus the system image and the VM backups offsite. We maintain 4 sets of those disks and rotate them weekly. Once a month, we retire the oldest disk and put it away for safe, long-term keeping.All of my backups are triggered by Windows scheduled tasks. On the more simple backups, the schedule task calls Windows Backup. On the more ocmplex ones (such as the SQL Server), the scheduled task calls a batch file. Creating new, standard backups is easy; I have exported one of them to an XML file (you can do this in 2008), and when I build a new VM, I just import the job definition, change the time, and it's ready to roll. I maintain a spreadsheet with the information of the times of the backups.Because everything is in separate RAIDs, and my RAID types were selected for the tasks on hand (I use RAID 10 for my main storage area, RAID 0 for my backup destinations, etc.), it goes EXTREMELY fast. A base 2008 install can do a full backup of itself in about 5 - 10 minutes, and my typical application server takes 15 minutes to do a full backup of itself.J.Ja]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin James]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:59:30 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Which tape?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Maybe you could research why it doesn't have the simple tape references of other products. Would be nice if it displayed &quot;hey it's week 3 - put the week 3 tape in the drive&quot; or &quot;backup to tape 'x' failed - put tape 'x' back in the drive and try again&quot;. And if it knows the replica is out of sync, why doesn't it run the sync job itself? Only been using it since December so maybe these are some of the kinks I've got to work out.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[MakeItSo]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:20:25 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[HI]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It would not be a easier process for sure.But when we think about cost its going to be very high.Instead we can use the tape itself which is far more cheaper than using DPM.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[rajeshkumar.sd]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:31:57 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Drawback with DPM]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I had tried using this DPM. But the major drawback with this DPM is it needs a dedicated system to work, which is a major draw back when we think about Small business companies.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[rajeshkumar.sd]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:13:06 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How does it compare to Backula?]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3037486]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[I've been considering Backula for home use and for testing as a potential solution for a few small offices. Have you any comparison between the two?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Neon Samurai]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:34:46 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Small shop as well what are you using for backup?]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3037455]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Have VMware ESXi running SBS 2003 using Exchange, and a Windows 2003 server as VMs running well but working on a good backup solution.  Looking at setting up a Windows 2003 physical server with a TB of storage and connecting our tape drive to it.  Then using snapshotting using storagecraft ShadowProtect server edition to snapshot to the storage then backing up the snapshots to tape for offsite backups.  Thoughts?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[BuckRogers]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:45:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Good to know]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[After seeing this product run through by Microsoft I was quite impressed and the concept is great... that prompted this post in fact.. I appreciate the comments and will be doing more research on DPM in the future based on what you all have posted here... thank you]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Schauland]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:10:06 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Before anyone buys...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Well, I'd call Exchange and AD pretty bulletproof or as close to it as can be expected from software.But seriously before anyone buys into DPM read up on the DPM boards over on MS's own site to see the kind of problems people are having.  In the year we've had DPM implemented I'd say we've seen more than our fair share of these issues:http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?pg=1&amp;cat=&amp;lang=&amp;cr=&amp;guid=&amp;sloc=en-us&amp;dg=microsoft.public.dataprotectionmanager&amp;fltr=]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[aaronbenson@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:56:28 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Bulletproof and Microsoft; Oxymoron?]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3037395]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[I read the comment, &quot;the unified and bulletproof platform that I have come to expect from Microsoft.&quot; and I was fairly taken aback. I would &quot;Like&quot; to expect better, but I don't think I have ever received better from Microsoft. I would say Bulletproof and Microsoft is quite the oxymoron.  I'm definitely glad I am reading these posts though. It's helpful to get both the good and not so good instead of stumbling forward with the expectation that something from Microsoft will be bulletproof only to find out later that it isn't. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Elliott]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:43:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Easy to use, managment issues]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-304582-3037394]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[I've used DPM for 6 months or so. Setting up was easy and restoring a SQL db to another server for a test environment is just a few clicks and waiting for the restore.One question if anyone knows, what's the proper way to maintain a SQL log file when using dpm. Used to backup and truncate regularly, but if I do this it will cause DPM to be out of synch.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tedj@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:38:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I agree]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I came very close to pulling the trigger on a DPM project, but I had too many issues with it. Complexity was a lot of it. It is a fairly complex application, which means I can look forwards to RPC errors like you mentioned, weird hiccups, etc. And, as you pointed out, the documentation is poor. The nail in the coffin for me was that it wouldn't run in a VM. Sorry, but I am not buying a whole physical machine to do my backups, nor am I putting it on my Hyper-V host or my one physical domain controller. I suppose that it is a realistic requirement in a big shop, but I'm not a big shop, I'm a small shop with all of the requirements of a big one. I support Exchange, OCS, SharePoint, TFS, System Center VMM, and more... in a company with under 20 employees.J.Ja]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin James]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:54:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Storage supported...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[AFAIK MS DPM only supports local disks or SAN.It doesn't support NAS etc.We are running MS DPM here with an openfiler SAN (Intel SSR212MC2) to store our backups.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Diggory]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:21:03 -0700</pubDate>
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