Is this something that you could use? Or do you think it takes away too much control?
J.Ja
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I have been using the Agile Platform for over a year now and I can tell you that yes, it takes some control away - but I am happy about it.
That's because it leaves me in control where it matters - modeling the database & business processes and designing the interfaces.
It urges you to some extent to adhere to patterns in your development style and nicely supports naming/coding conventions, good things that have helped me during various different projects.
That's because it leaves me in control where it matters - modeling the database & business processes and designing the interfaces.
It urges you to some extent to adhere to patterns in your development style and nicely supports naming/coding conventions, good things that have helped me during various different projects.
Justin, I've been dabbling for a while with AlphaFive, and I really like that IDE. I just came across this post regarding Outsystems, which I am not familiar with. Can you summarize the differences between the two platforms for me?
I see that there is a big difference in pricing models, but that may or may not equate to the same level of difference in functionality. From the little bit I've read about Outsystems so far, it reminds me somewhat of the late great Forte application development platform. Forte was much more than just an IDE - it provided a full application deployment and management environment; although, it was designed primarily for distributed client-server apps, and was adjusting to the Web world when it was acquired and ultimately wasted by Sun Microsystems.
So anyway, if you could write up a short comparison of these two products, I think it would be a great help.
Thanks,
Lou
I see that there is a big difference in pricing models, but that may or may not equate to the same level of difference in functionality. From the little bit I've read about Outsystems so far, it reminds me somewhat of the late great Forte application development platform. Forte was much more than just an IDE - it provided a full application deployment and management environment; although, it was designed primarily for distributed client-server apps, and was adjusting to the Web world when it was acquired and ultimately wasted by Sun Microsystems.
So anyway, if you could write up a short comparison of these two products, I think it would be a great help.
Thanks,
Lou
Hi Jaqui,
You're right! Currently you can only find the detailed system requirements in the registered area of the OutSystems Agile Network at http://www.outsystems.com/network. We'll try to make it more visible ASAP.
In the mean time you can have an overview of the requirements for the Platform trial at http://www.outsystems.com/trial. These only include the requirements for .NET stack and not those for the Java stack.
Best Regards,
Pedro Oliveira
You're right! Currently you can only find the detailed system requirements in the registered area of the OutSystems Agile Network at http://www.outsystems.com/network. We'll try to make it more visible ASAP.
In the mean time you can have an overview of the requirements for the Platform trial at http://www.outsystems.com/trial. These only include the requirements for .NET stack and not those for the Java stack.
Best Regards,
Pedro Oliveira
Hi Jaqui,
You can find the OutSystems requirements in the trial download page, but here they are:
Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Windows XP
Professional or Windows Vista Home Premium Business, Enterprise or Ultimate;
Microsoft SQL Server 2005 (Microsoft SQL Server Express 2005, will be installed if needed);
Pentium IV-compatible 2GHz processor with 2 GB of RAM;
200 MB of hard-disk space (1GB recommended, depending on third-party software requirements;
Regards,
m
You can find the OutSystems requirements in the trial download page, but here they are:
Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Windows XP
Professional or Windows Vista Home Premium Business, Enterprise or Ultimate;
Microsoft SQL Server 2005 (Microsoft SQL Server Express 2005, will be installed if needed);
Pentium IV-compatible 2GHz processor with 2 GB of RAM;
200 MB of hard-disk space (1GB recommended, depending on third-party software requirements;
Regards,
m
Hi Terry,
The pricing of the Agile Platform is based on the number of named or concurrent end users using the applications delivered with it. As a reference, the price per named user is around $10 per month in the Basic edition or $20 per month in the Professional edition. Per concurrent user is recommended if you have a large or uncountable user base. For the details for your specific scenario feel free to contact us at info@outsystems.com.
The pricing of the Agile Platform is based on the number of named or concurrent end users using the applications delivered with it. As a reference, the price per named user is around $10 per month in the Basic edition or $20 per month in the Professional edition. Per concurrent user is recommended if you have a large or uncountable user base. For the details for your specific scenario feel free to contact us at info@outsystems.com.
This seems a little extortionistic when you consider the competition. Yeah, you can develop more rapidly, but is it really worth the cost when I can develop pretty quickly in Ruby-On-Rails and have basically no cost associated with the development technology? Or develop and deploy for free with Weblogic and pay a $2600/CPU/year licensing fee, but not have to tell you how many customers are accessing my site?
I can see this sort of pricing model with something like Microsoft Exchange, where they've written and provided the actual application code that the users are using, but this is a product that provides a coding and deployment framework and is running our custom applications.
Please tell me you have a different pricing model than this, too.
I can see this sort of pricing model with something like Microsoft Exchange, where they've written and provided the actual application code that the users are using, but this is a product that provides a coding and deployment framework and is running our custom applications.
Please tell me you have a different pricing model than this, too.
Hi Tangaloor,
We do also offer a per concurrent user pricing model. This model is tailored for a large or uncountable user base. We believe that this model provides a much finer grained licensing metric than a CPU model. Our customers slowly increase their license as they grow their Agile Platform application portfolio providing a much smoother pricing model than we could achieve with a per-CPU approach.
Looking at the alternatives you mention, I?d like to highlight some of the capabilities of the Agile Platform that go well beyond pure application development:
- Release Management and Deployment Automation (Demo at http://www.outsystems.com/EvaluationCenter/Demo.aspx?SelectedMovieFolderId=4506)
- Performance Management and Optimization (Demo at http://www.outsystems.com/EvaluationCenter/Demo.aspx?SelectedMovieFolderId=4558)
- Team Management and Access Control (Demo at http://www.outsystems.com/EvaluationCenter/Demo.aspx?SelectedMovieFolderId=4527)
And take a look at our complete feature list at http://www.outsystems.com/goto/agile-platform-editions. Checkout the detailed datasheet. There you?ll find a series of unique deployment, manageability, collaboration, and change management capabilities that you might consider when comparing the Agile Platform to other alternative technologies. In addition you will gain some insight into the requirements to integrate individual tools to support an Agile delivery model.
Hope this additional information helps!
Carlos Alves
OutSystems
We do also offer a per concurrent user pricing model. This model is tailored for a large or uncountable user base. We believe that this model provides a much finer grained licensing metric than a CPU model. Our customers slowly increase their license as they grow their Agile Platform application portfolio providing a much smoother pricing model than we could achieve with a per-CPU approach.
Looking at the alternatives you mention, I?d like to highlight some of the capabilities of the Agile Platform that go well beyond pure application development:
- Release Management and Deployment Automation (Demo at http://www.outsystems.com/EvaluationCenter/Demo.aspx?SelectedMovieFolderId=4506)
- Performance Management and Optimization (Demo at http://www.outsystems.com/EvaluationCenter/Demo.aspx?SelectedMovieFolderId=4558)
- Team Management and Access Control (Demo at http://www.outsystems.com/EvaluationCenter/Demo.aspx?SelectedMovieFolderId=4527)
And take a look at our complete feature list at http://www.outsystems.com/goto/agile-platform-editions. Checkout the detailed datasheet. There you?ll find a series of unique deployment, manageability, collaboration, and change management capabilities that you might consider when comparing the Agile Platform to other alternative technologies. In addition you will gain some insight into the requirements to integrate individual tools to support an Agile delivery model.
Hope this additional information helps!
Carlos Alves
OutSystems
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