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        <title><![CDATA[BTW - I use Vista]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[FYI , I use and actually like Vista so your assumptions about my not liking Winders 7 meaning I don't take the time to fully check out something or that I simply run with teh pack is a bunch of BS.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[BlueCollarCritic]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:46:02 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[More then an hour is not always necessary]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[&quot;People spent much longer than that trying to get a bug riden, unsupportive and insecure XP to work when it came out, but now it's the uneatable cat's meow?Why would you give a brand new OS less than an hour of your time? Do you always commit to your line of work with such limited stamina?&quot; ~ Oz_MediaOne does NOT always need to spend a lot of time to properly detrmine if something is bad.  If you went to the car lot to check out the new Dumb Car, err I mean Smart car and in the first 15 minutes you were:1) Uanble to get the car to start2) The sales rep was unable to get the car to start3) Once the sale manager got another Smart car to start (after trying 3 different cars) you found it too several minutes to get up to 60 MPHWOuld you A) Say &quot;I really need to spend a few more hours looking ath these to be certain they suck&quot;orB) Decide to not waste any more time on what is clearly not been fully/properly built and move on to something else that does meet your needs?It is the fool who wastes time to verify that which he already knows.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:44:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Less than an hour]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[People spent much longer than that trying to get a bug riden, unsupportive and insecure XP to work when it came out, but now it's the uneatable cat's meow?Why would you give a brand new OS less than an hour of your time?  Do you always commit to your line of work with such limited stamina?People said the same about Vista, &quot;I gave it a half hour and knew it was junk.&quot;  Sure, so that's a qualified opinion then?  This is exactly what I was talkign about below, people like to run in packs to find security in peers, it is mroe prominent in geeks as they generally have more limited social skills when growing up which results in a fear of inacceptance, thus the peer following.  'Hey, I think Vista sucks too, I'm cool now, not like them n00b dummies.....right?&quot;I've used Win7 for about 5 months now, I dual boot to Vista. Win7 has it's merits but I've never had any issues with Vista either.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Oz_Media]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:57:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I'm with you]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I delight in change. Well, mostly. Then I just remind myself that I changed from a moment ago.It is the reference point of change that matters, every time.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[santeewelding]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:55:31 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Partially]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[They did change the UI but with a mere few minutes of learning, it's all there are even easier to get to than before, well just as easy anyway.  Ribbons look 'different', which bothers some people, but turn off ribbons and all is back to normal.  Even with ribbons enabled it is actually laid out better than in the past, click the windows icon for your file access and the rest is laid in in an almost tab like structure.I'm a heavy user of Dreamweaver, Illustrator and Fireworks.  They used ot be Macromedia products and then Adobe bought them out.  I cringed at the thought, I figured Fireworks would be dropped for Photoshop, but it wasn't, thank God! Adoe did change th einterface a BIT and it po'd me for a little while and now it's no problem.IN the end, while it was different, just as MSOffice is, and took me a while to get around, now I find it much better than previous versions.  Change isn't always a bad thing, it just takes an ability to take time to explore it to find it's advantages.  In both cases I found the HELP menus and online tuturials wills help you learn it, if needed, and in the end it results in faster means of doing what you used to do with the old UI.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:50:54 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[bored]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[amazing what time does for one]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Oz_Media]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:42:59 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[another DRM sloth?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Another?  are you one of those that actually believe that Vista is DRM protected?To bring you up to speed, Linux is DRM restricted.  Vista will work with both DRM protected and non protected files, Linu on the other hand will NOT work with DRM protected files.  The new BD disks that have DRM protection when sold in the US are no problem either, the DRM in Vista is easily disabled.DRM protection ignores international copyright laws, sure they can get away with it in the USA but I'm sure MS wouldn't cut their nose off (or most of the rest of the actually 'free' world) to spite their face. Now I wonder, did you mislead all of those super big companies that make the world rotate on axis too or if they are just going to have to get up to speed with others.  ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Oz_Media]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:33:55 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Much better, Oz]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Talking without food in your mouth.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[santeewelding]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:27:54 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[a most qualified rebuttal]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[So you disagree by flaming me and ignoring the original poster's comments entirely.  I then reiterate what I meant and again you simply have no worthy or qualified reply.Do you have a point or are you just excited to see your very own keystrokes displayed on the World Wide Web?If you disagree, do so, don't just cross your arms and pout. If you have nothing to say, then say nothing.I am talking from experience as a C level administrator, a business owner, a former network admin and consultant (eeew, consultant now THERE's a dirty word!) If you have experiences that show otherwise, this would be the correct place to enlighten everyone, unless you simply have nothing to say other than to bitch and whine about what I've said. Bottom line, and you'll have to face it one day no matter how important you THINK your decisions may be, an IT staff member is not a revenue generator, they are an expense to any company not focused solely on e-commerce.However too many IT staff think they are the backbone of a company, yet have little to no actual knowledge of what the company needs, how to evaluate cost per seat and build a network that considers everyone and not just their own hands on time.  I've seen people here say there's no reason to make a change (as 'it' works for them), meanwhile they are not considering how they can ease the work flow of others who actually DO generate the revenue to pay IT staff.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:21:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The UI]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Personally, I like the UI.  I have, however, beena Vista and Server 2008 user for quite some time and have grown used to the changes that have been made since XP so that could be the difference.  After using Vista, I find the Windows 7 UI to be easier to work with, although I couldn't put my finger on any one thing except the new taskbar.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Lowe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:29:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Hm]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Yeah. Right.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ScarF]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:15:16 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The question of WHEN]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There is no IF. Due to the applications we use, we have no other choice but staying with MS. So, we have to continue using their OSs.But! We plan to migrate to Windows 7 when all of the following conditions are met:- There will be one SP for Win7, at least- MS will no longer support WinXP- All the applications and drivers for the current devices will support 64-bit Win7- The hardware will be mature enough to provide a good support for Win7Although ? after testing the RC, I haven?t much to say against the Win7 (except for the UI), we still consider WinXP to serve extremely well our purposes.Anyway, we continue to research the Linux option. Without success, though.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:11:19 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agreed...too anti-user]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What the programmers and software developers at Microsoft need to take a look at the history of computing and UI design and integrate some sense of legacy design into Windows 7 and Office 2007.  Typically, the first thing I hear from new &quot;home users&quot; of Office 2007 and Vista is &quot;Can I still do the same things I used to do in XP?&quot; or &quot;Can I still do the same things I used to do in Office 2003?&quot;  The answer should be &quot;yes,&quot; but alarmingly, more often than not, the answer is &quot;no.&quot;]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jasondlnd]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:28:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Go Pirates!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The world's poor student population has always had it right I say, never pay for software unless you are sure its worth the money, if they overcharge give em the finger and get it from some less official channel.  The software itself is its biggest advertisement campaign after all, cheap tricks never go well with a IT literate crowd.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:10:26 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[XP Mode Will Be Win 7's Next MAC/PC Commercial]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I bet XP Mode going cause Microsoft a lot of grief, not because it doesn't work per se, but because it's being oversold in light its hardware requirements.  If XPM took advantage of hardware virtualization, but didn't REQUIRE it, this problem would go away.  However, there are way too many machines that &quot;ought&quot; to be able ruin XPM that won't, as the above post points out.  I was astounded the other day to learn that a more powerful Core 2 Duo CPU (3 GHz) does not support virtualization by that the lower powered one (2.4 GHz) one I replaced did.I'm fully prepared to hold up Intel, too, because hardware support for virtualization today is like a math co-processor used to be - necessary. (Remember when a math coprocessor was actually a separate chip with its own socket?).  Contemporary chips today should have this as a standard feature.  That said, Microsoft set itself up because it did not take a good look at what was actually being sold.  ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Lazarus439]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:57:52 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[My life?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[My life is fantastic, much richer and more fulfilling than most, I find.I love watching you guys get all upset when someone comments on your &quot;field of expertise&quot;. What always slays me with It guys is that, instead of offering some counter points to try and prove otherwise or show the validity which you like to think you deserve, you just shoot down my comments as if it elevates you a bit.  Maybe the people who pay for IT staff to be on hand just get tired of geeks who think they know what's best for business when they are actually just trying to beel cool and fit in with their peer groups.  I have seen less than a handful of IT staff in my life that actually know how to judge/recommend what's best for a business.  In most cases I find their decisions are based loosely on fact and riddled with forum gossip that they take verbatim and with little testing or experience of their own.I've played your game for years, you aren't going to change the reality of IT that I've seen. If you've been around IT as long as you suggest, surely you have seen the same old same old every time MS releases a new OS and you have seen the overt bias offered with little to no personal experience witha new OS but simply based on the comments of peers.I have a friend who's a senior programmer at one of the larger software developers, he sees it all the time too. He also has a degree in business administration and was a sales manager for 20 years. He said he just shakes his head at all the IT/CEO wannabes who are all of a sudden proposing to know what's best for business when they don't even know how to calculate profit margin and cost per desk. The chances of most of them understanding true ROI, not just initial cost recovery are none to negative one.  How can one suggest what's best for an entire organization when their only understanding is what peers tell them to avoid because it's extra work to maintain? Right, you can't/won't answer any of this, I wouldn't expect you to, flame me instead it's a lot easier that way.  Have at 'er ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Oz_Media]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:25:35 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[LOL]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Firstly you are most welcome, it's always nice to hear from a Torontonian that's not busy shovelling the drive.Do you REALLY think I care to take time and spell check on an internet forum? Priceless, it's important to you?  I'm sorry if you couldn't understand what I was saying, you've obviously been given the false impression that I give a crap what readers think.They are called typos, not spelling errors,  typos illustrate a lack of typing prowess, not an inability to spell. Typos are usually shown as orphaned letters, reversed letters etc.    If you actually judge people's credibility based on their keyoarding skills, you are in need of help and some common sense.Since when does seeing reality TARNISH all the IT managers, CIO's, CTO etc.?  The fact that most of them are employed to begin with is a joke, I've worked with C level IT staff for over a decade now and I can tell you that VERY FEW of them base such decisions on what the commpany actually needs.  VERY few actually have ANY real business sense at all, and just think that becase they have a title they have business sense.I've seen so many of these 'seasoned professionals' jump on the bandwagon and slam products simply because their peers do. I've also seen many who think they are acting in the company's best interests when they are essentially just thinking of their own workload too.  Also, as I didn't say all IT managers, you might be able to realize that I was indeed speaking of many and not all It staff.If you think IT mindsets are similar to actual business administration and operational mindsets, you are sadly mistaken.  Many of these IT managers/idiots belong back in the stockroom with a desk behind a stack of empty boxes and far away from any operational activity.  Your inability to grasp simple comments and follow the context used, despite the simplest of typographical errors, illustrates just that. Thank you kindly for your worthless comments that don't address the topic at hand. Way to correct me and prove otherwise!]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:14:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Windows 7 is Just another DRM trap]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[As the IT consultant for over a dozen small businesses here in the Sacramento California area I can tell you that unless you have new hardware, read at least a dual core Windows 7 is just another DRM, sloth.  These businesses have financial, and hardware oriented software with peripherals that cost as much as 250K being run by a computer that is interfaced through ethernet, serial and/or SCSI devices, and none of these pieces of software work completely in Windows 7 XP Mode.  BUT ALL THESE PIECES OF SOFTWARE RUN UNDER WINE!!!  These companies will not upgrade to Windows 7, these companies have all agreed that when XP pro is no longer supported they will migrate to Ubuntu or Mint versions of Linux.  They are all in the process of converting Microsoft Office to Open Office, and have no intention of ever being tied to Microsoft ever again.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:59:49 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Windows 7 like Office 2007 is too Anti-user]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I tried to install/use Winders 7 on a recently reforatted box (that did meet hardware reqs for Vista) and after less then an hour of unsucessfully install attempts of Microsofts own latest products like OPffice 2007 (and yes I was logged in as the local admin) I said to heck with this and reverted back to XP.  i kep getting elevation messages when trying to Install Office 2007 and in my mind if you are logged on as the local admin you shouldn't get error messages like this when installing something that is supposed to be installable on Winders 7.But even if I didn't have install isssues I certainly woudl have reformatted and dumped Winders 7 for Windows XP after seeing how the Winders 7 interface had taken the Office 2007 Ribbon approach of 'F the user' and forcing users to use Winders the way Microsoft believes we should.  AT least in Vista if you did not like the way the taskbar &amp; start menus worked you could opt to go back to a &quot;Classic&quot; view but not in Winders 7.I've read numerous posts about thsi and heard the BS argument from Microsoft backers about how it would be hard to support multiple interfaces and that is just a bunch of BS.  If done right, the way the menus and such are presented to the user should be easily changed.  When you are at a command prompt does it really matter what the fon size &amp; type are or is the actual command that is most improtant?  Same goes for the stupid Ribbon in Office 2007 &amp; 2010 and for the anti-user interface in Winders 7.  It shouldn't matter how the menus animation plays out but what selections the user makes.  I see this forced approach thrust onto users as a way to get us used to doing things the way they want instead of how we as the paying customers want.I've always been pro Microsoft but this Office 2007 Ribbon fiasco and now the Winders 7 Taskbar BS has gotten me thinking more and more like the non-Wintel platform crowd may have the right idea.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[BlueCollarCritic]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:57:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[So, your therapist said what?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I wonder if you spend as much time counseling as you do complaining about this and that.  Some much energy spent on useless efforts that consume you to no end.  And I must say, thank you for all of your great accomplishments in the industry.]]></description>
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