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        <title><![CDATA[Graphical installers? FreeBSD, PC-BSD have them!]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3651835]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[So, I'm unsure exactly how much checking you did before writing your article, but I installed PC-BSD on my Lenovo T61 without issue, using the graphical installer. I installed FreeBSD on my workstation at the office using the graphical installer without issue either. @deksar: Don't be a moronic zealot. Unlike you, I encourage people to install operating systems they know nothing about. One of the greatest ways to learn is to do it yourself. I'll help if I can, but I find that a lot of people want to explore a new OS on their own and get comfortable at their pace, not mine.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[chris.purcell]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:20:49 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[not quite]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3422737]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Though it has some BSD extensions in it (as all Unix(tm) do), OpenSolaris is a System V Release 4 Unix(tm), not a BSD]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[admail@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:53:20 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Simple: Don't install it, if you don't know it.]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3284346]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Nobody is obligated to install OpenBSD. First of all, you must know what you're doing.OpenBSD is a very secure and stable Operating System. Probably the most secure one. And its installer is so simple and logic. If you can't even install it, then why the heck you'd need OpenBSD? Get a Linux, buddy. It is free too! Oh yes, it does has a fancy, shiny installer with a great sexy desktop!Oh, there's always a PCBSD!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[deksar]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:17:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[which BSD?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[That seems completely opposite to most people's experience with a BSD given DesktopBSD or FreeBSD. Does your Ports tree have pretty much everything that one would find with the average Linux distro?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Neon Samurai]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:20:08 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why the BSDs get no love]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3239230]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Server use: Excellent. -------- My Desktop user rants: I think that there are several reasons other than just an ugly install. 1) Package sizes are huge if you want to install applications from the internet, so it takes a long time to download. 2) Harware compatibility is limited. It is harder to find hardware drivers from manufacturers. 3)Rock solid, but not a lightweight speeder. 4)Smaller amounts of applications available when compared to Linux, Windows or Mac. 5)Most BSD newer software is not compatible with older versions of the OS. 6)Software installers are not too user friendly.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[triclone]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:07:18 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why the BSDs get no love]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3229392]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[You dont read BSD-news!FreeBSD custom release, with GUI XFCE out of the box.GhostBSD ? FreeBSD 8.0 on LiveCD in Ubuntu style with GUI GNOMEDesktopBSD - FreeBSD 7.2 on Live CD/DVD with GUI KDE and Graphical InstallerPC-BSD - FreeBSD 7.2 / 8.0 with GUI KDE 4.3 and graphical installer and in the future (2/2010) as Live DVD.And when you promote this systems, they are have many acceptance!Marcelohttp://epc.freetzi.comhttp://unixm.freetzi.com]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[unixmarcelo@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:09:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Right.  Except MS 'training'.]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3222287]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[MS is so easy to screw to the point of needing a re-install,... 'we' have gotten used to it.Now, most people think that _any_ OS needs frequent re-installation.  Ergo: 'We _need_ an easy installer'.I am almost surprised that Jack fell into this mindset.Actually, I find that Winders can be set up to be more reliable,... just don't expect any help from MS or 'conventional wisdomeers' on the point.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jeslurkin]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:23:40 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why the BSDs get no love?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Thank You.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jethro304]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:22:30 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Simple is better.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Pfff... What crawled up Jack's butt?The fact that most BSDs remain so secure, is because of the lack of &quot;bloat&quot;. I've spent years in and out of IRC channels, forums, reading man pages/HOWTOs, and believe me, it was all worth it.You either know what you're doing when you install or you don't. If you don't, then you LEARN. I know what it's like to be discouraged, but the last thing we need is a shiny one-click-install-everything that compromises security.As it is now, everybody thinks they're a *NIX expert because they can install most Linux distributions. We should encourage more command-line usage instead of these sissy GUI front-ends that make you feel accomplished. Most BSDs come with documentation that thoroughly explain the installation process. If you're not willing to take the time to read the documentation then maybe you do need some hand holding GUI.That's like my opinion, Man.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jethro304]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:18:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why the BSDs get no love]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[X11 based installers can fail since they require video drivers. For example, Anaconda in Fedora 12 needs a nomodeset boot option enabled to launch on certain systems with ATI video cards.The BSDs don't replace their &quot;text based&quot; installers, the ncurses based installers are a type of command line GUI, because they are dead simple, and they work. There is no reason to change something that is dead simple and just works.I don't spend that much time in the installer, so it doesn't matter to me if it's Anaconda or Sysinstall. There are other things the BSD guys can work on, like breaking up locks or optimizing code.Also, the BSDs don't get any love because they don't have corporate backing like Linux. Corporate backing legitimizes Linux for corporations, and the BSDs don't have that. I'd love to deploy BSD servers at work, but we're not going to replace our RHEL servers with any BSD, or anything Free (Debian, Slackware, etc.) for that matter, because we need someone to support them when something goes horribly wrong.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[portablenuke]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:39:24 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[True, Mac OS X is BSD core]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[That said Mac OSX machines also cost you an arm and a leg.  They're for those elites who have plenty of dough.  Are they not?  Unless you want a MacMini.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[yschoo1@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:32:40 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why the BSDs get no love]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3218418]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Haveing installed a couple of System III on machines. I have to say that the installation of a number of different Linux versions were a lot easier then System III. The only problem i have with FreeBSD is minor but I can live with those problems. Finaly any of the UNIX family do have better security that was built in right from the start. So why not update the Installation process and those things that a single user is going to be using.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[hobby.harold@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:26:53 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I hadn't thought of that...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You're right.  It really does sound like trolling.  Do these guys get paid on page hits/comments???/OTIn any case, I'd have to guess that anyone installing *BSD is experienced enough to not care if the installer is GUI, and is likely to prefer the text-menu system, anyway.  I know I do.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kama410@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:57:14 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why the BSDs get no love]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3217494]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Everybody seems to overemphasize the installers.  Hey, you only have to install ONCE.  After that what really matters is how well the OS helps to get your job done, whatever job it may be, on a regular basis.Installers are not *nearly* as important as usability *after* the installation.Chris Reich; Rochester, New York]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[chrisreich]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:47:58 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[calmed down folloup]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3217327]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[heart in fire, head in swamp.. well, anyway, append my buzzy comment to your honourable profile.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[noamscai]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:37:48 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[caution: fat trolling]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is an example of a realy fat trolling and of a miserable incompetence, in any case, powered by narcissism, and it should be judged as a terrorist's attack, but the point is that most people who googled here won't read comments, and this guy achieved his aim.Graphical environment is in your cell phone, man!Revenge will follow! Patria o muerte!(c)Lame English Inc.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[noamscai]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:43:34 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[agrhh! me missed the button]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[exme]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[noamscai]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:33:50 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[When your right, your right]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3217225]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[I responded to one of the emails in this article and felt like a fool right after I pressed submit. Then I checked back and read your post and I agreed completely. Now here I am posting again. I am such a fool. Soooo....when do I get the Ginsu knife set.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[gchudyk@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:49:27 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Why the BSDs get no love]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3216531]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[BSD stands for servers, security and professionals; not a casual user. Please, stop yelling about making BSD more &quot;ubuntu&quot;, because it certainly won't happen. You can't make a car out of a tank, my friend. You can - however - take as much as you can [in terms of the code, ideas, etc] from BSD and implement it elsewhere. Don't be an evangelistic evader and please, leave *BSDs alone in peace. I - for example - don't especially want BSD to become more popular. Popularity is what destroyed many good projects. Copy it or leave it alone ...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jamesccc]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:44:11 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Well, at least ...]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-322633-3216450]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[he got the BSDers to come out of the woodwork! ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jeslurkin]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:45:16 -0800</pubDate>
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