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Harrassment by Power User SanteeWelding

Well, another site issue! I saw dups of my SanteeWelding Harrassment posting displayed at the top of this Discussion, so I Edited the 2nd Posting and titled my edit Dup Erased. Then when I hit the Save button and then the Refresh button on my IE, my edited stuff had now replaced the original posting. So now it is all gone! Oh, great! There have been 120 replies and the original item is gone. Come on TechRepublic .... your new site has some serious issues and needs to be fixed! I think that us "users" really appreciate having this site, but this shouldn't have happened. It has ruined this Discussion forever (I think!)

A thesaurus would be good, too.

I checked back over your posts and he has been giving you a hard time but, then, perhaps you might deserve some of it.

Most of us can recognise when a question poster has reached the extent of his talents and expertise and we'll gladly pitch in if we can help. You've posted twenty or so questions in the last couple of months and we are *all* are becoming suspicious that you're not quite putting the effort that you might into answering them yourself.

For some reason, this has annoyed santeewelding, who has appointed himself as your scourge and goad.

Obviously, from this thread, the "scourge" is working whereas success of the "goad" would be a better outcome.

Neil

He gets us all at one time or another.

I'd better not mention god else I'll be on the receiving end of another santeeslap (TM).

Oh, God, check the commas!

..... but people do. My best suggestion is that you use yours.

P.S. Without looking into the history of your questions, I assume you're marking most, if not all, answers as helpful, giving those who attempt to help the coveted thumbs up. If not, you should.

So you might have something there. People and animals both work on the reward system, so yeah, if we are fixing stuff, we should have our thumbs up tasty treat thrown to us as well.

But, nah! That'd be insane.

Being flamed by Santee is just one of the progressive steps on TR.

If he hasn't noticed you, and flamed you at least once, you're still a noob.

I respect many of santee's positions as expressed in the Discussions forum.

However, people posting in the Questions forum aren't looking for a debate or a vocabulary lesson; they're looking for help. I agree with his recommendation that a basic Windows class would benefit you (or at least several sessions with tutorials available in the Windows Help menu), but his hostile approach isn't likely to encourage you to follow his advice.

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=333181&messageID=3321833

Some of his other replies have ranged from useless to insulting, about as helpful as an 'RTFB'.

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=332505&messageID=3314021&tag=content;leftCol

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=332130&messageID=3312894&tag=content;leftCol

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=332130&messageID=3314172&tag=content;leftCol

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=101&threadID=331430&messageID=3300887

You've asked him to ignore your questions, and I'm unsure why he finds this reasonable request to be unsavory. All I can do is recommend you ignore him and continue hitting the spam button.

And don't be put off by the few trolls that live here - the majority of TR is a community of nice people. Granted, most of it is by techs, for techs - not people's free GeekSquad - so a few less-than-friendlys might go the "a n00b! insult him!" route. Not saying that's acceptable, just warning you.

There are a few posters that I don't even bother to open their responses most of the time because the good content is outweighed by the nastiness - and he's one of them. I don't see the point. So don't think it's just you, some people just can't be nice.

...is to document them bugs in featureens!

Somebody should make a rogues' gallery for TR. Put in the zoological shakedown on the resident ronkedoors and other creatures. Right down to the preferred diet, handling instructions and dart-gun sedative dosage recommendations.

...glorifying the trolls is not the way to go. If someone has worthwhile content, they should float to the top on their own merits, not their notoriety or frequency of posting. But that's me, I don't put up with bs, no matter how candy-coated or "fun" it may seem. That is why I don't get along with everyone, but I darned well try to.

One problem is that it's impossible to tell who is a troll and who isn't... untill they attack. Also who is only a troll when there's a full moon out.

Maybe an ear-tag? Or a disclaimer, force-posted to the end of each message : "Please take this person's posts with a grain of salt, as this person has previously engaged in trollery."

The people asking questions might be on their first visit, and it might be the last too, if they get the rough end of the stick without warning.

But for someone else who welcomes such debate it is not trolling, but then THEY become a troll too for welcoming it, so then you have two trolls trolling each other?

Trolling is just that 'trolling' don't think of ugly men under a bridge, that's a completely different meaning of troll.

Trolling is dragging a line in the water to see what if fouls. In this case trolling is like dragging an argument magnet through a forum seeking argument. Santee is being very direct and forward in his commentary and sticking around to add to them, NOT TROLLING.

Track and trace... who called troll? Not I. I merely referenced the term already on-table.

You'll find that I code-switch a lot. I speak what is being spoken at me, so I can examine both speaker and the thing spoken.

Like, if I now speak of people being dicks, it would still be your choice of words, and I can reference that as I must, to keep talking in the track you started.

Me, personally, I'm not even rattled by death threats. And I call no-one troll as an insult.
And don't whine at me, just because I called you to order. You weren't arguing with me, remember?

Expose yourself.

That one word -- "worthwhile", floating out there alone -- reveals your naked Promotion of Public Virtue and Suppression of Vice.

The "should" underlines it.

Please, go put some clothes on, before santeewelding calls attention to your notoriety.

It is diaphanous to all but the most blind. No need to point, that's rude.

My initial search produced some book titles but nothing specific. Are they some fictional boojums I'm unaware of, or did you coin the term for our benefit?

Meaning, supposedly, "elephant living solitarily" or "braggart" or "flying fish".

Supposedly from portoguese Roncador.

That was good.

We should decide who the most honourable amongest us is and let that person be the grand pooh bah who calls the shots in our fascist forum?

When you go to a pub at night and have an argument with the guy at teh next table, do you ask the bartender or bouncer to have him leave or post his picture above th bar so everyone is aware they may get into a somewhat offensive argument with him?

the only foul I see is that teh questions are being posted in teh correct Q&A section, buut in santee's defense (didn't think I'd ever type that!)the questions are a waste fo everyone's time. These are issues that anyone with a button to click on a mouse can sort out with a simple Google search, they aren't exactly daunting technical questions that can't be eaily resolved and require the one on one input ot technical professionals.

It's like calling the fire department to dispose of your hot BBQ ashes.

Santee has mentioned he should attend some basic classes but I think the questions presented are the assumed basic knowledge needed before even starting Windows for Dummies. The REAL PLAYER website will answer such questions, just have to research instead of asking others. The mouse issue? Come on, Google it, simple solution.

Lazy baystads rarely get a leg up around here.

When people start deeming any discussion that isn't favourable as a TROLL issue it pretty much homogenizes the term and removes it's very meaning. TROLLING is starting a discussion by saying, THE US PRESIDENT IS A TOSSER. Or, THIS WEBSITE SUX BECAUSE....and THEN leaving to never say another word.

You know you are just going to get a lot of people riled and defensive, and stir the pot up for the hell of it.

Taking someone to task for their laziness, BS etc and stickign around to debate it is NOT BLOODY TROLLING!

Gawd, more and more people expect to be saved from the world around them, PLEASE PROTECT ME, I SHOULD'NT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, CONTROL IT FOR ME!

MAKE 'THEM' STOP DOING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!

like the stupidity of people needing "Warning, Contents HOT" on a coffee.

or not to stick their hands into the fan attacked to the engine of the car.


if they are that stupid, maybe they should be killed.

Seems to be rather clear from your perspective, I wonder hos so many are so blind?

S**t, I'm supposed to be taking it easy and doing nothing but looking at the lake this week, made it to West Harrison had to head back into Agassiz for some stuff, but ended up in Chilliwack, online at Tim bloody Hortons! THIS ISN'T WHAT I HAD PLANNED!!!

Damn, TR bullspit! Gotta go!

And you're only in the lower mainland. I thought that you'd be somewhere north of Valemount.

I grew up further north than you are, and it wasn't that cold.

I agree that Santee has beena bit impatient with him. HOwever the questions being asked are probbaly common in the top 100 Google searches and a gazillion answers can be found to such questions with the simplest search.

The Q&A forum is commonly known as a place to aolve more duanting questions, that can't be found via a simple Google search and require one on one discussion with an experienced tech. Aren't people at least supposed to TRY and solve their own simple problems before asking for the level of expertise normally found here?

The SPAm button is a waste of time, santee's just being santee, it's his way, ignore it or deal with it yourself.

Again though, I am surprised people even known when santee is attacking them, without a focus group to decipher the intent of his posts.

Hey, Santee is a dick, I am a dick, everyonne here can and will be a dick, but I don't go hitting the spam button every time Santee, Apotheon or Max and I get into it.

In regards to having entire discussions started complaining about an individual around here, Santee is catching up with you and me.

Maybe I need to start using the link again.

If you don't mind. My first name is Richard.

..... it's dick.

However you wish it to be played out, time to face reality.

There are two types of posters here, conformists and dickheads.

The difference is in the configuration:
Balls-for-brains : dick-head
Brains-for-balls : clever dick.

This isn't preschool. The site forums are monitored by a few former peers who will try to keep REAL SPAM off teh forums. If someone is personally attacking someone's race, nationality etc. They may remove it but we are all adults and accept that not all discussions are full of love and rainbows.

If you don't like the way someone responde to you, there are two options,
1) set them straight yourself
2) Don't read or reply to their posts

Kinda like walking away in the playground instead of running to telling the teacher you were being bullied by one of the older kids.

I am also very surprised that you can even tell that santee was attacking you. Most people around here don't know what the hell he's on about half the time anyway, with his 18th century attempt at poetic banter he deems discussion.

posting your complaints here does littlel but cast a light onn your own self pity, there are contact links availble that are far more relevant than posting a new discussion(besides the SPAM link, thess types of personal attacks don't constitute spam).

People who post discussions complaining about someone else, usually don't get far with it and raresly find thr type of sympathy and support they are seeking, it usually completely backfires.

So again I will suggest, use the contact page to find someone to air your hreivances to, don't read his posts, take natters into your own hands and set him straight yourslef,

Just like in a grown up's world, we get to make choices and settle our debates or ignore them ourselves. Tattling just isn't too grown up.

is an equal opportunity picker-onner.

The other hyphen you need.

Why are you picking on this guy?

AV

I zeroed in on him, and I remain thus focused, owing to his first, earlier posts in TR Questions.

Those posts were craven. His post here, now, in Discussions, is craven.

Where now he describes his job role as, other, I recall he earlier had it as, Executive Manager (Chairman, CEO, CFO), and he touted himself as such with self-advertising of the glowing sort.

He changed his profile after that. Might have been my prodding. After that he explained as how -- actually -- he was CEO, but had got himself into a motorcycle (?) collision and suffered a brain injury. And, that he was on the mend.

I don't know if his attitude is, as I find insufferable now as then, because of or in spite of the injury. I don't know if those involved in his care and succor have been tip-toeing around him, or if they thought it best for his rehabilitation that he participate here, out in the (virtual) world, safe from collision, since 04/30/2010. Or, if it was he who took the decision.

However it may be, and whatever the therapy, I am not that therapist. I will not hold and caress his limp, ingracious hand. Or, his limp, ingracious self-caricature, neither here nor in Questions -- specially not in Discussions, which he chooses for his second coming.

Personally, I don't think I've ever encountered this person on TR but I don't get to spend a lot of time here.

Maybe he did misrepresent himself as an Executive Manager, but still, you have a choice. To respond or not to respond. You just need to leave it alone if you don't like the guy.

I do understand some of your comments, like the brain damage one, after you explained it. I'm glad you clarified that.

Santee, every now and then you might find someone on TR that can really push your buttons. Its hard to resist the temptation to take them to the woodshed, but in the end its the best choice for you. Thats what I do.

AV

And you are welcome.

However, there are no buttons. What I do, I do dispassionately. Coldly, if you will. Bloodlessly, when it comes to Max.

Ingracious - I knew it...

He's already had two Discussions about him.


Commendable?
Possibly.
Would he ever be forgotten?
Nope.
Is that a good thing?
To him: Yes. To others: Variable.

The first discussion centered around santee's postings on the Discussions forum. I backed him on that one and still do.

This one is about the Questions forum. I may be the only one who thinks that the two forums require different approaches, but my position is that the free-wheeling style of Discussions isn't always appropriate in Questions.

I really don't know why he would respond to you in that way, but the best thing you can do is just keep hitting that spam button if he continues to respond to you. Hopefully, he won't.

Most people on TR would not respond that way to questions. We're all professionals here, or so I thought.

AV

I looked at several of those questions, and most of santee's messages would have been better left unsaid. They did come across as rude.

But that's what santee does. He dings people. He rattles cages. He pokes people in the ribs with a stick. And quite frankly, I'd have to strain my brain to remember even one post of his that contributed to the underlying question or discussion - especially one that was tech related.

I don't know if he actually believes he's giving people food for thought, per se, or if he really intends to be a PITA. Whichever it is, he usually (but not always) comes across as a pompous blow-hard.

However, as you well know, if a person participates in these forums and has such a thin skin that some anonymous stranger can get under his skin, then he's both in the wrong place and he needs to reevaluate his manhood.

I've had more run-ins with santee than probably anyone at TR. And like I said, he's a pompous, blow-hard, pain in the a** - but he's our pompous, blow-hard, pain in the a**. As such, it's easy to not even read his replies - something I've done off and on.

I think the guy who started this discussion needs to do two things - make it three things: thicken his skin; grow some gonads; and learn some basic computer troubleshooting skills, as most of his questions did indeed show an extreme lack thereof.

But to go crying to the TR powers that be? And to start a discussion complaining about another TR anonymous stranger? Give me a break!

P.S. You navigate these TR battlefields quite well. You never seem to rattle or get rattled.

P.P.S. I love your new Governor. Can we have him?

I don't have to self-advertise. Max does it for me.

...... the link?

He did explain himself in a separate post, but you're right. With some people, much like yourself, Santee will focus in and rattle your cage. What you get then are very pointed posts that aren't as cryptic as his usual ones.

The questions forum attracts all levels of users and the worst thing to happen on TR is for people to be afraid to post because of negative posts like that. It might be ok in the discussions area, but not in questions. I wouldn't expect answers like that either from a TR member that has been here for some time.

Maybe that guy should have shot back at Santee, but he was just a guy looking for an answer. He shouldn't have to do anything. Personally, I would have told Santee he can go take a long walk off a short pier, but thats me.

I know Santee can be very contentious, especially with you, but he's just himself. They broke the mold, if you know what I mean.

I don't know what the PTB will do. I hope they will leave it be if Santee agrees to leave that guy alone. I think he will.

I always like to seek the middle ground. No one wins everything, but everyone gets something.

No, you can't have our Governor. He's under lock and key for safe keeping.

AV

From the moment he posted about me in third person, he was carrion.

I am not attracted to carrion. I am attracted to presence of mind.

Like yours.