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What compels you to defend your operating system and condemn someone else's? Does their choice really matter that much to you? Why? Do you defend your favorite operating system against dissenters with passion? Where does this passion come from?
I rarely say my OS is best "insert reason here".
Normally it is more along the lines of I use this OS because I require x y and z to to do n.
Your OS only provides me with x and z which does not get me n.
This normally results in "that's not my OS's fault that's the developers"
My response is I don't care. If the OS does what I need and does it best or close to it, great.
Normally it is more along the lines of I use this OS because I require x y and z to to do n.
Your OS only provides me with x and z which does not get me n.
This normally results in "that's not my OS's fault that's the developers"
My response is I don't care. If the OS does what I need and does it best or close to it, great.
there isn't a one-size-fits-all solution out there. Unfortunately some techs are like the beginner user that learns one application and then tried to use it for everything.
Ever see someone use excel for EVERYTHING? Data bases, word processing, even fliers. Difference is, a tech shouldn't be that ignorant, nor repeatedly prove their ignorance over and over on an OS/Application/Platform war.
That said, I can't help myself but to comment on "how cute" someones MAC is....
Ever see someone use excel for EVERYTHING? Data bases, word processing, even fliers. Difference is, a tech shouldn't be that ignorant, nor repeatedly prove their ignorance over and over on an OS/Application/Platform war.
That said, I can't help myself but to comment on "how cute" someones MAC is....
I had to chuckle when I read this. I used to use Publisher for almost everything. Business forms, letterheads, line drawings, photo manipulation, etc., etc. Now, with the enhanced graphics capabilities (and enhanced about everything else) in Word 2010, I use Word for just about everything I used to use Publisher for.
unfortunately I have to say I've seen it a lot more than once.
Drives me buggers that does.
Drives me buggers that does.
Try a person who used Lotus 123 to connect to bulletin boards. If he couldn't do in in 123, it wasn't worth doing. The old days when 1200 baud was fast and real programmers just toggled the program in using front panel switches.
but I never heard of using it to connect to a BBS. I do seem to remember being told that their was a hidden program somewhere within a special spreadsheet that brought up a flight sim game, (or was that excel?) but I never was able to do it. One thing for sure, it was many years ago, as I haven't used Lotus since moving from 3.1 to NT4.
Isn't Lotus one of those "new-fangled" inventions? We had "toggle" switches on the 1400s and earlier. However, we used card readers to read in the programs.One of them was a Fortran compiler which did our calculations.
that I have completely forgotten everything about it, and the same with COBOL. That was back when I first started learning about using and programming computers, well before the PC came to life in IBM's front yard.
It's your comment that brought those memories back, so well done. BTW, I never had to use a card reader to load a program, so at least I was spared that particular pain. And I thought that I was revealing my age!
It's your comment that brought those memories back, so well done. BTW, I never had to use a card reader to load a program, so at least I was spared that particular pain. And I thought that I was revealing my age!
Now they are running "train the trainer" sessions here to send COBOL trainers over to India -- so the trainees can do coding in COBOL (because we don't have anyone here that knows how to use it?) I last used COBOL in 2001 but it was an easy language to use, compared to FORTRAN (cryptic,) C (complex,) C++ (all over the place,) BASIC (unstructured,) etc. I'll bet there are still many American programmers left around who wouldn't mind doing a little COBOL, if they would just pay what they used to pay! At a company called Jackson National Life in Lansing, MI., they actually have a "training program" which includes COBOL programming. For laughs, I applied -- sent my resume with 20+ years experience -- and got no reply back! They are probably bringing in those Indian programmers and teaching them "the ropes" here, for probably $27K a year, if they are lucky.
Actually, I used to code in SPS and Autocoder (1400 Assembler). I taught it to Methuselah when he was just a young pup!
...there is the old saying, "when your only tool is a hammer, everything becomes a nail." I think that may be why so many cling so tightly to their hammers, and believe their hammer is the only one that can properly sink a nail.
Rowdydave, you "nailed" this one. You "hammered" it home. BTW, I agree with your assessment. The tool one uses depends upon the job to be done. Some tools are better than others depending on what has to be done. That goes for operating systems too (although the best general purpose OS will never be known to most people).
I don't feel the need to "defend" anything. I use what I'm good with and what does the jobs I need it to do, period. No OS is perfect and I see it like politics; We all have our politics, but do we really need to convince someone else that our politics are "better"?
I've used a few different OSes, lots of different programs and a slew of peripherals. If I'm asked for advice, I'll give it. You don't have to enact that advice, just think for yourself if you think you have a better idea or solution.
Seriously... is this just a slow week at TR?
I've used a few different OSes, lots of different programs and a slew of peripherals. If I'm asked for advice, I'll give it. You don't have to enact that advice, just think for yourself if you think you have a better idea or solution.
Seriously... is this just a slow week at TR?
I think most people rationalize their decision to convince themselves they made the right choice. Consider this bit of rationalization. Flip the bit to make it read any way you like.
I did/did-not spend a ton of money for my OS; therefore since I am an astute financial wizard, my OS is obviously the best.
This one is also popular, maybe even the most popular.
Since I am a technical genius, I selected the OS all the technical geniuses use, therefore it is the best OS.
The point is people defend their OS to rationalize and defend their choice. I saw a lot of it back in my Amiga days. That was a blood thirsty bunch. I'm pretty sure there was a global shoot-on-sight order on all PC users.
I did/did-not spend a ton of money for my OS; therefore since I am an astute financial wizard, my OS is obviously the best.
This one is also popular, maybe even the most popular.
Since I am a technical genius, I selected the OS all the technical geniuses use, therefore it is the best OS.
The point is people defend their OS to rationalize and defend their choice. I saw a lot of it back in my Amiga days. That was a blood thirsty bunch. I'm pretty sure there was a global shoot-on-sight order on all PC users.
My OS / software is better than yours is a discussions for newbies.
Once we've all been in the industry for x amount of years it boils down to, "I've supported so many OS's and programs, it's all good"
I like stability, but does stability create new jobs? When networks get too stable companies tend to lay off their Sr. I.T. staff
Something to think about...
Once we've all been in the industry for x amount of years it boils down to, "I've supported so many OS's and programs, it's all good"
I like stability, but does stability create new jobs? When networks get too stable companies tend to lay off their Sr. I.T. staff
Something to think about...
Logic and fact-checking, or religious fervor?
Does the criticism apply to my usage and/or experience with the OS?
If yes, "Do you have any suggestion to replace my OS with another that will be able to do what I do with my current OS (without emulating)?" And I'll take the answer under advisement.
If not, "that's not my experience to date, but if it does happen to the extent that I am unsatisfied with my OS, I'll come see you for advice. And you can tell me 'I told you so'."
If yes, "Do you have any suggestion to replace my OS with another that will be able to do what I do with my current OS (without emulating)?" And I'll take the answer under advisement.
If not, "that's not my experience to date, but if it does happen to the extent that I am unsatisfied with my OS, I'll come see you for advice. And you can tell me 'I told you so'."
I don't care much one way or the other who uses what OS. I don't much think one is better than another. I learned Windows, I use Windows.
There are far more important things to argue over than OSes. IMO.
There are far more important things to argue over than OSes. IMO.
All I remember about VMS was that it ran on a DEC VAX and there were all these $signs in front of commands. I went to a town near Boston for training -- Wooster? Worcester? I can't remember. It was a neat operating system, and fast.
I don't. Happy with what I'm using. Does what I need, and to date, I haven't not found any thing or task that I've had a yearning to try but couldn't.
What I'm REALLY curious is why so many people out there feel this compulsion to try and run others down any time something other than what they use is mentioned. This high and mighty attitude speaks volumes only about the poster, and not what they actually have to say. Last week's topic, for instance. About Windows, so what do we get? A bunch of Mac users, middle finger up, proud as punch of themselves for being able to proclaim their superiority (not). Same when it comes to the phones. So what? Who cares? And the same thing in reverse. What's the big deal about Jobs? What did he ever do to bother die-hard windows users?
What I'm REALLY curious is why so many people out there feel this compulsion to try and run others down any time something other than what they use is mentioned. This high and mighty attitude speaks volumes only about the poster, and not what they actually have to say. Last week's topic, for instance. About Windows, so what do we get? A bunch of Mac users, middle finger up, proud as punch of themselves for being able to proclaim their superiority (not). Same when it comes to the phones. So what? Who cares? And the same thing in reverse. What's the big deal about Jobs? What did he ever do to bother die-hard windows users?
I've noticed that it's almost always the users of "minority" OSs that get really defensive about their choice.
When I say "minority" I mean nothing other than that their OS sells less than Windows 7 - no other connotations.
Linux users seem particularly, almost franticaly, passionate about their choice, and Linux has probably the lowest penetration on the desktop of any of the "big three".
OS X users are almost as defensive, but not as noisy as Linux advocates. I note they have higher desktop penetration than Linux, but a lot less than Windows.
Hardly anyone used to shout about how wonderful XP was until Windows 7 took off. But now listen - XP fans who hate this new fangled W7 nonsense are starting to get religious about it!
It's interesting: advocates of the majority OS (which in recent years means XP or W7) will sometimes argue in its favour (usually to do with "compatible with the most widely used apps", "good long-term support", "widest choice of programmers, IT support people", etc. They may be reasonable and logical arguments, but have you noticed the lack of passion and emotion in them?
So, I think it isn't about the actual OS per se, but about a person identifying with a minority group. Such identification often leads to odd behaviour that seems disproportionate to the situation (not only Linux advocates, but opponents of a new bypass; the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (in the UK); racial, politicial or religious minorities; cyclists; motorcyclists...... the list is endless.
It seems to be a human trait.
SteveT
When I say "minority" I mean nothing other than that their OS sells less than Windows 7 - no other connotations.
Linux users seem particularly, almost franticaly, passionate about their choice, and Linux has probably the lowest penetration on the desktop of any of the "big three".
OS X users are almost as defensive, but not as noisy as Linux advocates. I note they have higher desktop penetration than Linux, but a lot less than Windows.
Hardly anyone used to shout about how wonderful XP was until Windows 7 took off. But now listen - XP fans who hate this new fangled W7 nonsense are starting to get religious about it!
It's interesting: advocates of the majority OS (which in recent years means XP or W7) will sometimes argue in its favour (usually to do with "compatible with the most widely used apps", "good long-term support", "widest choice of programmers, IT support people", etc. They may be reasonable and logical arguments, but have you noticed the lack of passion and emotion in them?
So, I think it isn't about the actual OS per se, but about a person identifying with a minority group. Such identification often leads to odd behaviour that seems disproportionate to the situation (not only Linux advocates, but opponents of a new bypass; the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (in the UK); racial, politicial or religious minorities; cyclists; motorcyclists...... the list is endless.
It seems to be a human trait.
SteveT
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