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They want quality, for free, and yesterday, if not the day before.

What they tell us they want, and what they tell us to do are somewhat at variance....

We develop within the constraints set by the business. That constraint is good enough. Until they have to compete on quality, it will stay that way.

None of that has anything to do with a definition of programmer and developer. If prgrammers are still about, it would be the systems analyst / designer tearing their hair out saying WTF, and the programmer would just be doing his comb over.

Not being funny but I've heard this schtick before. The guy who was spouting it, told me refactoring was just developers f'ing about and we should have got it right the first time anyway.