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        <title><![CDATA[No not having that]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-337855-3381708]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Cloud is a platform. You take your standard dated monolithic enterprise CRUD app with a SQl server backend and put it in the cloud.Very little is going to be delivered so there will be nothing to consume...Just do email and browsing, well Ok, but then you still need all your IT effort to drive the rest and the extra cost of throwing in Email, proxy server etc is relatively trivial.Delivery is critical, you could make the same argument winders vs linux, SAP, Oracle and all it's gubbins.We know one size fit's all doesn't work for anybody, but if we make it work for everybody we wouldn't make any money unless we charge them for each difference.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:52:24 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Don't confuse technology]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Tony, don't confuse technology with delivery.  Cloud computing is not a technology but a consumption and delivery model.  Virtualization is one technology that is often used to enable cloud computing.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[The Colin Smith]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 18:33:24 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Depends on what you are doing]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[If you are talking private cloud as in private to your company where the savings are say in efficient virtualisation, reduced deployment and configuration, then maybe.If you are talking your own data centre so say your custoners to access their data and functions, then you just made yourself effectively liable for all the issues those of us who can tell our arse from our elbow, have been saying the cloud vendors need to consider.Even internal, short of a ma and pa shop, say SBS and a couple of budget desktops, this is a huge project.The cloud is a different platform, it's like walking up to the big boys and saying we should switch to Linux because it's free. Well may be it is if you squint, switching to it isn't though....Above all given the Gartner speak is you will save lots of money, ( and the implication get promoted before the wheels come off), when cheap is the driver in IT, you get what you pay for at best. On big projects, you end up looking like a government run IT project, a hugely expensive failure.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:11:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Don't put yourself in that position]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I heartily agree.  That's why my push is towards private clouds.  Public cloud hype is the perfect counter-point to a well thought out private cloud.While there are definitely some workloads that make sense for the public cloud, most large organizations can achieve many of the benefits of the public cloud while maintaining ownership and control in a private cloud.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[The Colin Smith]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:45:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Ten questions to ask your cloud provider]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Thanks for this list. In addition I'd suggest the following:-1. What are the locations of my live data? (Driven by compliance issues) 2. If not in the US (where activation of the Patriot Act can severely impact your business without neither you nor your cloud provider having a say...), what laws regulate government access to my company information?3. How do I know that there's been a breach? 4. To what granularity levels can the management tools go to inform me of what has been illegally accessed?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[geoffokao@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 04:24:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Actually I did see that, and it seemed an interesting]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-337855-3380830]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[way of justifying a decision that had already been made.As usual in IT costs tend to be very hard numbers, benefits (not simply reduced costs) tend to be very fuzzy. Bit of massaging and careful presentation, you can justify either way.What doesn't happen is people looking at the real long term costs and benefits, as opposed to the ones conveient for justifying their position now.The question to ask a cloud vendor is very simple.WHEN I lose access to critical data and services for some reason outside of my control how do I do business?The only people I've talked to who gave me an honest answer were some MS boys describing Azure as a platform. The basic answer was don't put yourself in that position.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 03:25:42 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[If you had read my previous post]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I don't think you would group me with the numptiesIn case you missed it:http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/networking/?p=3405]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[The Colin Smith]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:44:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Not pre-judged I've kept up with all the]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Gartner led numpties selling clouds particualry on this site and everyone of them tells me these issues aren't imporant compared to the amount of money I could save on people and kit...Seeing as none were mentioned, the guy got pigeon holed with rest of the get rich quick or myopic muppets on this model of bandwagon.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:42:13 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Yeah...but no]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Tony...I admit that security, redundancy and recovery are all big issues, but don't pre-judge what you 'think' the operator has setup already, with regards to 'generic' questions and to be given 'template' answers. These 10 questions are good questions to ask, but their obviously not 'the only' 10 questions you will ask...Good article Colin, you defo need to ask these questions!!Cheers Colin. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Martyn Keigher]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 11:11:15 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The usual deal]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[is you don't pay for the service you didn't get.The business you lost because you didn't get it, well tough, shouldn't have been a complete wally and delivered critical business functionality to a third party with totally different goals should you!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:49:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[So basically you want us to ask them questions they've got answers for]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-337855-3380541]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[and leave all the hard ones out....Security, control, legislation, recovery, IP, enhancibility, local redundancy...Lock in...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:14:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE: Ten questions to ask your cloud provider]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I'd move number 10 to the top.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[E1M]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:40:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Security and Continuity...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I think security is a huge factor. How can a provider absolutely ensure me that my data is secure? I would also want to make sure that I had redundant paths to my data to keep uptime at a maximum. Compatability of systems as well should be considered. Not everything plays nice together. You don't want a native app breaking because it doesn't play nice with an optimization method they are using...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[DJMorais]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:33:04 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Security of the data.....]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[And down times what happens to my business when I cannot readh my data.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[carlsf@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:50:34 -0700</pubDate>
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