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I just think that if a person can even earn the ccie, they should be put in a job. when you say job experience the question in my head is, "how can you get experience if no one ever hires you?" if a person can get a ccie straight out of college i commend them. that means they do know a pretty good level of knowledge about routing and switching. even if they haven't worked with the equipment yet. if they have passed the ccie, they HAVE worked with the equipment, and have the ability to become a great engineer. people don't want to hire newbies anymore. there are only so many experienced techs out there and it's time to make new tech's. does anyone out there understand what i am saying?