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Construction
AlysonH996 10th Mar 2011 Top Rated
I took a break from IT for about 5 years and went into the construction business. There was definitely something satisfying about watching a house being built for which you are responsible. The added bonuses are that you get to use your math skills AND when something does go wrong, you can usually physically SEE the problem. Yah, you have to deal with punchlists and cranky buyers but it's no worse than help desk queues and cranky users. grin
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Construction
Georgeh1960 16th Mar 2011
I'm a developer that's worked on his own and as a consultant and it has been a long and very satisfying career. Funny thing is, I started in construction and wound up in IT. lol.. I went to vocational school for construction during high school and then when I graduated started working for my Dad in his construction business. A few years later I found myself attending college and working as a supervisor at a warehousing company that exported semi trucks and truck parts that shipped in huge wooden crates that we would make. I got interested in computers about that time while they were still young and new to the technology scene. I eventually wound up writing a materials list for these crates where all I needed to do was enter in 3 dimensions and it would create the list of materials I needed to build the crate. It was pretty simple stuff but was fun to do. Now days, I kind of want to go back to construction simply because sitting around all those years kind of takes a toll on you physically. I need to get up and move around more. It just makes me feel better physically. I go to the gym a couple times a week that helps but I need that every day.. just don't have time with my work schedule. I guess that's what I get for being part of the brain trust at work..
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I too had planned on going from I T (since 1975) to construction. History has delayed that though. IT projects are about planning, implementation, risk managerment, getting the resources amoung others. Those same areas are a big part of construction. Houses are systems. However, no one lives inside a PC.
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I went to IT because of my health, but I was in production before. I worked on CNC and robotic work centers, and repaired them. I did the computer and wiring part,but had a mechanical background, so worked with the mechanics too. Believe me it is a highly rewarding career, because the management is so relieved when you can get production going again. I rarely had problems that couldn't be solved, but when I did, it was because it was time to buy new equipment. After wasting tens of thousands of dollars trying to prove me wrong, the management began to see my point. It was actually cheaper to by new tech than fix the old. The only other problem I wasn't able to fix, was partly because there was no manual for the machine I was teching, and the company that made it was hard to find. Google wasn't born yet. I always suspected that one was sabotage though, as we did have recalcitrant union workers that didn't want to work.

For me there is just nothing but the industrial shop life, if I ever get better, I'm going back!!!
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Small Business IT
seannyob Updated - 10th Mar 2011
I started my career in non-profit, went to a university IT position, and now I do small business Systems administration. All had their pluses and minuses, but I love my current position. It's much more of a family affair, which I like. Also, I'm ill-suited to a suit & tie. (Sorry. Terrible pun. wink )

IT on the small enterprise can be less lucrative, depending on your situation. But I love my small-business IT job. The work is highly varied, and therefore always interesting. It can be isolating, though, because it's just me.

Honestly if I was able to do anything I'd become a cowboy. Or a motorcycle tour guide. Ah, dreams.
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gyni 28th Mar 2011
good opinion.
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Genealogy
tmacentee 10th Mar 2011
Believe it or not, when I was laid off from the legal tech field in October 2008, I decided to turn my hobby of genealogy and family history into a profession. I now own my own company - High-Definition Genealogy (http://hidefgen.com) - and serve as a consultant for several tech businesses looking to sell their products and services in the genealogy community.

Right now, with the wave of Baby Boomers just starting to retire and wanting to continue using their tech skills in retirement, they are seeking out interesting hobbies like genealogy. There is still a big need to education these "Silver Surfers" on how to use different technologies to help find their ancestors.
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Medicine
Daniel Breslauer 10th Mar 2011
My primary career option was always medicine; I always wanted to go to medical school. Actually did a year of pre-medicine in university. Somehow things didn't turn out the way I planned them and I ended up in IT.

But as I discovered, IT is extremely similar to medicine. Troubleshooting computer-related issues, of all kinds, is extremely similar to diagnosing and attempting to find a cure for a disease or injury. In fact, many times when I need to explain to a user that the fix we're trying is just an attempt and not a guaranteed resolution, I tend to explain the analogy of medicine and IT to the user: fixing this issue is just like going to the doctor - he'll find out what's wrong and he'll decide on the proper course of treatment, which according to his knowledge and experience has a good chance of succes - but, for both the physician and the IT specialist, we cannot promise that this treatment will resolve your problem! We're doing our best, based on both theoretical knowledge and practical experience - but we cannot guarantee anything, only that we'll do our best.

Also note that health care is becoming more and more computerized as well. Aside from studying medicine, which is quite expensive and takes very long - aside from the issue of getting admitted - there are 'lower' jobs that are somewhat similar to IT as well: for example, function lab technicians (neuro, cardio, pulmo), or radiology / radiotherapy techs. Same for anesthesia assistant. All of these require a proper understanding of technology.

Reminds me of a pulmonary function lab technician I spoke to about 10 years ago. She came from a maritime background, having been the captain of seagoing cargo ships before making a career switch to becoming a pulmonary function tech in a hospital. There are quite a few people in these jobs that come from different backgrounds!
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cln 18th Mar 2011
I've always thought the field of medicine (doctor) is similar to IT, assessing the symptoms of a problem, the possible causes, solutions, etc. and it would be a great shift from my current multiple years (decades) in insurance happy to switch to the technology end of the medical profession.
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Essay Paper
Essyweb 21st Mar 2011
I agree with you. Thanks for information.
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For a number of years, now, I have been wishing that I had at least *considered* a career in medicine, back when I was pursuing a path. And now that I'm debt-free (paid off house & car, no credit-card debt, etc.), maybe one of the auxiliary jobs you mention would be a good fit. Thanks!

Meanwhile, I'm actively searching for a position doing technical writing, which I'm already well-qualified for, and know I enjoy doing. But that medicine thing... wink

-Dw
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I did this
Dr Dij 28th Mar 2011
I'm now in medical field.
Fascinating stuff. Pay not as good.
I'm likely soon to move into IT in medical area tho.
Should satisfy my daily requirement to be involved in very complicated systems.
I've found whole new ways and things to flowchart happy like EBM, workflows for clinical people and lab work.
Many have free
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2 Job Applications A Week For 40 Years
RonPrice Updated - 10th Mar 2011 - Below your threshold / Read Anyway
This post is written for people who have been burned out and others who have to run-the-gauntlet of the job-hunting process. It's a long post, but I hope it proves useful; if you find your mind wandering or your eyes glazing over---just stop reading and click me off.--Ron Price, Australia
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LETTER WRITING: 2 JOB APPLICATIONS A WEEK
FOR 50 YEARS---JOB HUNTING 1957-2007


The 3600 word statement which follows describes my transition from employment and the job-hunting process(1957-2007) to retirement and the pursuit of a leisure life devoted to writing(1999-2010). The years 1999 to 2007 marked the years of transition. The information and details in my resume, a resume I no longer need or use in any direct sense in the job-hunting world after fifty years of use, but which I occasionally post on the internet for a range of purposes should help anyone wanting to know something about my personal and professional background, my writing and my life. This resume is useful now, in many other contexts, as some residue, some leftover, but not to assess my suitability for some advertised or unadvertised employment position. This resume could be useful for some readers to assess the relevance of some statements I make on the internet, statements on a wide variety of topics at a wide variety of internet sites. If I feel there is a need for readers to have some idea of my background, my credentials and my experience; if I feel that it would be useful for them to have a personal context for my remarks at an internet site, I post that resume.

But I do not post that resume here. This post, this essay, for it is a sort of essay or article, is a statement, an overview of my job application life. This overview may be of value to those who have to run the gauntlet in the job-hunting world, for it is a gauntlet. Let there be no mistake about that.

I never apply for jobs anymore, although I have registered at several internet sites whose role is, among other things, to help people get jobs. Perhaps this act of registration at such sites on the world-wide-web is an act in which I engage with some sense of nostalgia, out of habit, out of an inability to stop applying for jobs after five decades of persistent and strenuous efforts. These decades of efforts were aimed at obtaining jobs, better jobs, jobs more suited to my talents, jobs that paid better, jobs that freed me from impossible situations that I had become involved with, some work-scene in which I was ensconced--along the road of life. I stopped applying for full-time jobs, as I say, in September 2007 and part-time ones in December 2003. I also disengaged myself from most volunteer or casual work four years ago in 2005 so that I could occupy myself as: an independent scholar, a writer, a poet, a journalist, a publisher, indeed, what some might call a man of leisure in the Greek tradition.

At the age of 65, then, and on two old-age pensions, one from Canada where I worked from 1961 to 1971 and an Australian pension, I am in one of the formal conditions, one of the many definitions, of old age. I am now in the middle years(65-75) of late adulthood(60-80), as one model that the human development theorists in the field of psychology use to define this period in the lifespan. I have become self-employed in the many roles I outlined above. None of these roles pay any money, although I did receive royalties for my books at one internet site. The royalties were for six years of the sale of one of my books at that site. I received a cheque for $1.49. Years ago, back in the 1970s if I recall correctly, I could have bought one of those chocolate frogs for, at the time and again if I recall correctly, 25 cents. But at 50 cents, their current price, this money, these royalties, only allow me to buy one frog every two years.

I have gradually come to this current, some would say, penurious role in the years after I left full-time employment in 1999, ten years ago. Not being occupied with earning a living and giving myself to 60 hours a week on average in a job as was the case in the three decades from 1969 to 1999; and not being occupied with giving many other hours to community activity, as I had been for so many years as was the case from at least 1969 to 1999, marked a turning point in my life. I became able to devote my time to a much more extensive involvement in writing and reading material of my own choice.

The ancient Greeks believed leisure was much more than free time. It was free time well used, free time with a moral mission. In the Politics, Aristotle makes this arresting assertion: The first principle of all action is leisure. Leisure is better than occupation and is its end; and therefore the question must be asked, what ought we to do when at leisure? Clearly we ought not to be amusing ourselves, for then amusement would be the end of life. Aristotelians see human time divided into three major spheres: (1) working for a living, (2) recovering from working for a living, and (3) leisure time. Leisure is the highest use of time. It is the antithesis of "wasting time" or "killing time" with diversions and amusements. Nor is it rest and relaxation; the downtime we need to recover from work should really be considered an extension of work. After several years of retirement from the different kinds of work which involved me from 1957 to 2007--from FT, PT, casual and volunteer work--a period in which, in some ways, I am still recovering, I have begun to enter, sensibly and insensibly, by subtle and not-so-subtle degrees, Aristotles third major division of time into which life can be divided. After nearly fifty years of the first two kinds of work I am finally free to pursue leisure in the recreational, in the old, sense of the word, a sense that is indispensable to achieving our human potential.

Writing is for most of its votaries a solitary, hopefully stimulating, but not always pleasurable leisure-time, part-time or full-time pursuit. In my case, as I say, in these middle years(65-75) of late adulthood(60-80), writing and its companion activity research and reading has become full-time about 60 hours a week. This activity is for me, and for the most part, an enriching and enjoyable pursuit. I have replaced my former paid employment and extensive activity with people in community with a form of work which is also a form of leisure, namely, as I say: writing and readingindependent scholarship. Not all is easy-sailing on the western-front, though: health issues still abound; money is, at worst, an annoying tick and the inner battle of life, the only real one which we all face, still goes on.

Inevitably the style of one's writing and what one reads is a reflection of the person, their experience and, often, their philosophy. On occasion, I set out a summary of my writing, my employment experience, my resume, in an attachment to this brief essay, this introductory statement, this commentary on the job application process which occupied my life for five decades: 1957-2007. If as that famous, although not always highly regarded, psychologist Carl Jung writes: we are what we do, then some of what I was and am can be found in that attachment, that resume and its several appendices. That document may seem over-the-top as they say these days since it now occupies some 30 pages and many more pages if the appendices are also included.

Half a century of various forms of employment as well as community, leisure and volunteer activity in the professional and not-so-professional world, all this time in many towns, institutions and venues produced a great pile of stuff. It also produced what used to be called and still is by several different names: ones curriculum vitae, ones CV, ones bio-data sheet, ones resume, ones life-narrative, life-story, storyline. This document is now, at least as I see it, more of the latter, more of a lifeline, a life-narrative, a memoir, an autobiography-of-sorts. As I say, I make the list of this stuff available to readers of this account, this essay, when appropriate, when requested and, occasionally, when not appropriate. I update those many pages to include recent writing projects I have completed, or am in the process of completing, during these first years of my retirement from full-time, part-time and most volunteer activity.

My resume has always been the piece of writing, the statement, the document, the entry ticket which has opened up the possibilities of another adventure, another bit of gadding about, another slice of a quasi-pioneering-travelling, a peripatetic existence, a moving from town to town, from one state or province to another, from one country to another, from one piece of God's, or gods', Earth to another piece of it. And so it was that I was able to come to work in another organization, gain entry to another portion of my life and enjoy or not enjoy a new world and a new landscape with a whole new set of people and experiences, some familiar and some not so.

The process, I often thought, was not unlike a modern form of a traditional rite-de-passage. To some extent I came to take on what often seemed like another personality, another me in the long road to discover if, indeed, there was a Real Me underneath all this coming and going. I'm sure this process will continue, will also be the case in all its many forms in these years of my late adulthood(60-80) and old age(80++), if I last that long and should, for some reason, movement to yet another place or, indeed, from place to place be necessary to continue for some reason I can not, as yet, anticipate. This continued movement, though, seems highly unlikely as I go through these years of late adulthood and head into the last stages of my life, from sunset and early evening to nights first hours and then, finally, the last hours of night, the final syllables of my recorded time. This process, this rite de passage, expressed in the form of yet another job in another place seems, for the moment, to have come to an end. Time, of course, will tell.

The last five years(60-65) are, as I indicated above, the first ones of late adulthood. In this first decade of my retirement(1999 to 2010), I have been able to write to a much greater extent than I had ever been able to do in those years of my early(1965-1984) and middle(1984-1999) adulthood when job, family and the demands of various community projects kept my nose to the grindstone, as they say colloquially in many parts of the world. With the final unloading of much of the volunteer work as well which I took on when I first retired, in the years from 1999 to 2005; with the gradual cessation of virtually the entire apparatus and process of job-application by 2007; with my last child having left home in 2005; with a more settled home environment than Ive ever had--by 2007 and with a new medication for the bipolar disorder that afflicted my life since my teens, also by 2007---the remaining years of my late adulthood beckon bright with promise.

As I indicated briefly above, though, all is not clear-sailing for rarely in life is everything clear sailing, at least in my own lifeand I suspect this is the case in most if not all of our lives, if we are honest about our experience down lifes road. My resume reflects the shift in role, in my lifespan activity-base and lists the many writing projects Ive been able to complete in this first decade of independent scholarship and full-time writing.

The process of frequent moves and frequent jobs which was my pattern for fifty years, 1949 to 1999, is not everyone's style, modus operandi or modus vivendi--to use two still commonly used Latin phrases. Many millions of people live and die in the same town, city or state and their life's adventure takes place within that physical region, the confines of a relatively small place, a domain, a bailiwick as politicians often call their electorate. Such people and other types as well often have very few jobs in their lifetime. Physical movement is not essential to psychological and spiritual growth, nor is a long list of jobs, although a great degree of inner change, extensive inner shifting, is inevitable from a persons teens through to their late adulthood even if they sat all their lives on the head of a pin and never moved from the parental nest. That reference to the head of a pin was one of the theologico-philosophical metaphors associated with angels and often used in medieval times. This metaphor has interesting applications to the job-hunting process but I will leave that for another time.

This process of extensive change in peoples lives is even more true in the recent decades of our modern age at this climacteric of history in which change is about the only thing one can take as a constant--or so we are often led to believe because it is so often said in the electronic media. For many millions of people during the half century 1957 to 2007, my years of being jobbed and applying for jobs, the world was their oyster, not so much in the manner of a tourist, although there was plenty of that, but rather in terms of working lives which came to be seen increasingly in a global context.

This was true for me during those years when I was looking for amusement, education and experience, some stimulating vocation and avocation, some employment security and comfort, my adventurous years in a new form of travelling-pioneering, globe-trotting, pathfinding of sorts, as part of historys long story, my applying-for-job days, some five decades from the 1950s to the first decade of the new millennium. My resume altered many times, of course, during those fifty years. It is now, for the most part and as I indicated above, not used in these years of my retirement and especially since 2007, except as an information and bio-data vehicle for interested readers, 99.9% of whom are on the internet at its plethora of sites.

This document, as I say above, a document that used to be called a curriculum vitae or a CV, until the 1970s, at least in the region where I lived and dwelled and had my being, is a useful backdrop for those examining my writing, especially my poetry. Some poets and writers, artists and creative people in many fields, though, regard their CV, resume, bio-data, lifeline, life-story, life-narrative, personal background as irrelevant, simply not necessary for people to know, in order for them to appreciate their artistic work. These people take the philosophical, indeed, somewhat religious position, that they are not what they do or, to put it a little differently and a little more succinctly, "they are not their jobs."

I frequently use this resume at various internet locations on the World Wide Web, again as I indicated above, when I want to provide some introductory background on myself. I could list many new uses after decades of a use which had a multifactorial motivational base: to help me get a job, to get a new job, to help me make more money, to enrich my experience and to add something refreshing to my life as it was becoming increasingly stale for so many reasons in the day-to-day grind, to help me get away from supervisors and from situations I could not handle or were a cause of great stress, to help me flee from settings where my health was preventing me from continuing successfully in my job, to help me engage in new forms of adventure, pioneering, amusement, indeed, to help me survive lifes tests in the myriad forms that afflict the embattled spirit, et cetera, et cetera, inter alia, inter alia, inter alter, inter alter.

The use of the resume always saved me from having to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. One could photocopy it and mail it out with the covering letter to anyone and everyone. The photocopier became a common feature of the commercial, business and government world in the 1960s just as I began to send out the first of the literally thousands of job applications that I would over the next forty years: 1967-2007. One didnt have to write the application out each time; one did not have to say it again Sam in resume after resume to the point of utter tedium. The photocopier itself evolved as did the gestetner, one of the photocopiers predecessors.

There were many ways one could copy one's basic data. For a time, my mother used to type applications for me back in the late 1950s and early 1960s. I became entrenched in the job market in the 1960s. This entrenchment was so very much like trench-warfare back in that Great War of 1914 to 1918--when millions died, were simply mowed down on the European continent in a process whose meaning we have yet to fully plumb. But, however little or much we have come to understand the meaning and significance of WW1, we--my generation--have come to experience a new warfare. As Henry Miller, one of the first to get away with using the "F" word in his trilogy: Sexus, Nexus and Plexus, expressed back in 1941 the new warfare of my generation: "a war far more terrible than the destruction" of the first two wars, the first two phases, with fires that "will rage until the very foundations of this present world crumble." It is not my intention to document any of these three phases of the destructive calamity that visited humankind in the century I have just left, for this documentation has been done in intimate detail elsewhere, both visually, orally and in print. I do not document, but I frequently refer, to these three phases. I have different purposes here than mere historical documentation. My job application process was clearly, at least as I look back over half a century of the process, part of that third war.

Applying for jobs as extensively as I did in the days before the email and the internet came on board in the early 1990s, became an activity, for me, that sometimes resembling a dry-wretch. Four to five thousand job applications from 1957 to 2007 is a lot of applications! At least since the mid-1990s, a few clicks of ones personal electronic-computer system and some aspect of lifes game could go on or could come to a quick end over a set of wires under the ground, the electronic world of cyberspace. During that half-century of job-hunting years I applied, as I say, for some four to five thousand jobs, an average of two a week for each of all those years! This is a guesstimation, of course, as accurate a guesstimation as I can calculate for this fifty year period. The great bulk, 99.9% of those thousands of letters involved in this vast, detailed and, from time to time, exhausting and frustrating process, I did not keep. I did keep a small handful of them, perhaps half a dozen of all those letters, in a file in my Letters: Section VII, Sub-Section X, a part of my autobiographical work which is now entitled Pioneering Over Four Epochs.

This autobiographical work Pioneering Over Four Epochs goes for 2600 pages in five volumes and, due to its length, will not likely be read while I occupy space on this mortal coil. Much of my autobiography, portions of it, are now found, though, on the internet at a multitude of sites where in nano-micro-seconds anyone can find portions of my writing in addition to my autobiography or my resume. I am known in a multitude of microcosms, microworlds, miniworlds, where neither name nor fame can reach me, and where all the problems that go with any degree of celebrity status in our fame-hungry world will pass me by into cyberspace, into an electronic ether.

Given the thousands of hours over so many years devoted to the job-hunting process; given the importance of this key to my venture across two continents, two marriages, with at least two personalities being the bipolar person that I am; given that this new style of pioneering, voyaging-via-employment, venture in our time has been at the core of my life with so much that has radiated around this core; given the amount of paper produced, the amount of energy expended and the amount of money earned and spent in this great exercise of survival; given the amount of writing done in the context of those various jobs, some of this employment-related correspondence seemed to warrant a corner in the written story of my life.

It seemed appropriate, at least it was my desire as I recently entered the years when I no longer applied for jobs, to write this short statement(not short enough, I can hear them say) fitting all those thousands of unkept resumes and job-applications into a larger context as well as all those letters, emails and internet posts written in connection with trying to make connections with others, into some larger framework of action and meaning. For those who would like to read more on this theme, I invite them to go to the internet site: Bahai Library Online>Secondary Source Material>Personal Letters>The Letters of RonPrice: 1960-2010. If such readers prefer, they can simply google: Ron Price Letters and more of this story will become available with only a few clicks.

Updated on: 1/1/10
3600 Words
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Here, here
_Papa_ 20th Mar 2011
I wish he had posted that as an attachment. There really should be a limit!
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I admire the way you digressed so fabulously but still managed to keep the essay focused on that copious, detailed (though admittedly still incomplete) compendium of your life: your personal resume (or CV, if you will).

I also respect your discipline in applying parentheses and commas, along with the all-important structuring and navigational aid of paragraphing. These are essential aids to understanding in a context where multiple associations, references or incidental comments are being presented.

In paragraph 11, I had some difficulty with this construction: "should, for some reason, movement to yet another place ". There were some other signs of proof-reading fatigue, perhaps, as the essay progressed towards its end. The fourth-last paragraph, I think, is not up to the generally high standard of punctuation and grammatical integrity that you achieved overall in this quite engaging work.
...but after reading your assessment went back and sampled that 4th-last paragraph. Hmmm, dry-wretch should have been dry-retch, and I saw at least two places that apostrophes were missing.

The introduction also contained the nonexistent compound word "run-the-gauntlet" (should be written without hyphens) and I spotted one or two other typos as I skimmed the article.

So this leaves us with what - a not too well-written piece by a self-professed writer. Okay then.
I am in awe over how you're able to write so much in regards to so very little. Sir, you are a true master of the art.
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I had a high school math teacher with comparable skills. We had to keep the windows open in 12 degree weather as she generally consumed the oxygen.

She also had a reputation for using more chalk than all the other teachers combined.

She eliminated any chance I might have had at understanding Calculus.
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U R Hilarious!
MsIT 18th Apr 2011
This comment made me laugh out loud! Funnny!!!
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ummm
jcarroll@... 16th Mar 2011
I have ADD
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...of course only Powell read it.
Bank that $1.49 pal.
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writing the small print on the back of sales contracts...
Your post is not aligned with people that want another job different thant IT and people who is looking for a hope of a best job or work, but I appreciate your invested time in this post, your deep thoughts and your poetry. Greetings, Armando
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I suppose there are exceptions, but for the most part the infrastructure is manure, the machines older than dirt, the users inept and demanding, which is a deadly combination, and there is no money.

I felt much more love in the Big Leagues (I had lots of top-drawer clients when I worked for IBM, although IBM was pathetic), than I have in the NPO world. YMMV, of course. O, how I wish it were true that it was generally a happier place, because it is where my heart lies, but I found it instead to be a world of pain.
I'm at a non-profit at the moment ... have been for about five years ... and none of what you say has been true for me (and i come here with experience in small firms, large firms, academia, and consulting). You have to find the right non-profit for you. We conduct research--the only systems in my machine room that are older than three years old are systems I plan to replace in the next few months. People have decent systems on their desks, and the guy who runs the place absolutely sees the value I bring to the table. I've never had a substantial request turned down.
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I agree
jacobus57 12th Mar 2011
As in the for-profit world, you need to find the right place. Unfortunately, too many NPOs are not run as a business, and that is the key.
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also agree, plus...
pgit 16th Mar 2011
I am not employed by one NPO, I consult for a few very small ones.

They have appreciated the IT work, but I have interjected to help with non-IT problems which I found more rewarding than the straight IT work.

In one situation I became an 'interior decorator' and helped them maximize their 2 cubicle-sized work space. I helped them maximize work flow but at the same time made the space more open and enjoyable to work in. (the two workers could now see out the one window in the place)

Another place I began listening to them as they were about their business and one day chimed in with my opinion. I was surprised by how much they were surprised by the fact that I provided input. The great irony here is this is an anti-smoking group and I was an avid cigar huffer at the time. Nowadays when I go there we start off with the business end, their business, before getting down to the reason they called me.

I've since begun to pay more attention to the tasks at hand in any office I provide IT services to, and have found most of them are appreciative. (if nothing else showing interest in their bottom line beyond my role pleases a lot of SMB types)

If anyone wants to go this route, I never start of with "you know what I think...?" rather I'll wait for an opportunity to ask a pertinent question, for example at the stop smoking organization I noticed most of their literature was dark, scary (though very accurate) information about the risks to the smoker. I was thinking that smokers are probably well aware of those dangers, and a campaign aimed at "educating" them will be largely ignored, I personally would think "yeah, well tell me something I don't know."

So after thinking about it, I asked "are you trying to tap an emotion? If so, which emotion?"

They seemed to think fear was the most powerful tool they had, but I mentioned that people will have a tendency to "shoot the messenger" when you try to grab them by the lapel and deliver awful 'news.'

They've seem to have lightened up substantially, I see a lot of humor in their messages (alluding to their awareness the target audience knows the health risks) guilt ("for the children" of course) and poking at the weakness of smoker's will power (so you can't quit, eh? ...we thought so) for their campaigns.

The real rewarding aspect here is the sport of getting myself appreciated enough by various clients to where they value my input outside of pure IT. I know that in general it is considered unprofessional to 'stick your nose where it doesn't belong,' but I deal with a lot of very small businesses and organizations, and I have found that especially in present climates they actually appreciate an outside perspective... but you have to cultivate the trust very carefully. Like I said that part is the rewarding/fulfilling aspect here. Not the "advice" I might give, but getting to where someone is interested in listening.

Now if that made any sense to anyone... : \
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bratwizard@... 16th Mar 2011
Have you quit smoking yet?
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Probably not
jred 21st Mar 2011
Quitters never win, and winners never quit happy
I'm not OP, but I'll never quit. I've been cutting back, and I might someday cut back to a smoke every decade or so, but my momma didn't raise me to be a quitter :P
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Quitting smoking
bni1369@... Updated - 9th May 2011
Absolutely 'cut-in-stone' correct. One does NOT 'quit' smoking..one 'STOPS' smoking. As you said so well, if you had a set of parents who actually acted like parents, they also told you many times to 'never be a quitter'. In that regard, how then can you 'quit' smoking? Another way of thinking about this is to consider that the word 'quit' always implies a failure has occurred (i.e., the car 'quit on me', I quit my job, a little child gathers up the toys and says 'I quit'). When you 'stop', it is a cessation of an action, neither positive nor negative but simply a 'neutral' that does not violate your parents wise teachings. I personally was a smoker for more than twenty years and had tried unsuccessfully to quit at least five times. I succeeded only when I mentally changed my attitude from I quit to STOP. I am smoke and tobacco free since August 3, 1988 and, yes, my parents also told me 'dont ever be a quitter'.
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consultant v. in-house IT
hms2004@... Updated - 28th Mar 2011
The experience of IT consultants in NPOs is different than in-house IT folks. My experience in the NPO field is that users and management treated consultants differently than they treated us. Consultants would come in and management would actually listen to them! The NPO managers assumed that we in-house IT folks were incompetent, otherwise why would we be working in the NPO sector? It was so bad that every time we had to implement something, we brought in consultants just to get a fair hearing, then we proposed basically the same thing the consultants recommended but using our in-house resources at lower cost. It was amusing but after a while I got tired of playing those games and decided to go work in the for profit sector - the result is that I work for an employer and customer who values my expertise and treats me and pays me like a professional not like a reject.
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NPO IT
alsmith@... 24th Mar 2011
I would like to know where you work. I worked, and just recently left an NPO and it was the polar opposite. When I started, the equipment was outdated, they let the secretary decide what IT equipment was needed and her opinion ranked over mine, almost every thing I requested was turned down until I just stopped requesting things, and the man who ran it was not even computer literate but everything he wanted done, I had to do it his way, which often resulted in long days and unnecessary work. There was so much favoritism there that it just became unbearable and employee morale was so low that it was just a contant barage of griping. I love being back in the real work environment
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not typical
hms2004@... 28th Mar 2011
Your experience in NPO world is unusual. Even with the added stress I would not trade my current enterprise job for a position in the NPO world.
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I've worked for a couple not-for-profit organizations, and in my experience, the key to this type of work is to be firm. If their equipment isn't up to the job, you have to be able to explain, in layman's terms, why, and you have to have a recommendation lined up for alternative plans. I try to have three plans - 1 involving better equipment, 1 plan that tells them what they can do with the equipment they have now, and 1 low-tech solution (if you don't want to buy a scanner, and you don't want to have to look up information on an ancient computer, you could always have an indexed binder with the information in it).

As for inept users, the only recommendation I've got is to write documentation. Pretend your 3 year brother, Billy, is going to try to follow your instructions. Remember to include lots of screenshots - you know Billy loves lots of pictures. And remember to listen to what their end-goal is. I've fond that a lot of problems with users in this sector come from someone trying to use the wrong tool to do a job. Just answering their questions doesn't help them get the job done, and the user is only going to get more frustrated and demanding.

With all that said, remember - you can be a god among people with no technical knowledge, if you help them produce their desired end-result, regardless of the path you take to get there.
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Education instead of NPO?
jstinnett Updated - 21st Mar 2011
Not that schools or other academic institutions aren't in a world of hurt right now, but if you wanted to stay in the "NPO" genre of employment without most of the same pain, then working for a school district, college or university might be a good alternative.
The only problem with that: Schools are being starved to death in the USA, maybe because everyone has to have a giant TV, a luxory SUV and a house they can barely afford...so "who do those pesky schools think they are asking for money?"....

I hate to say it but the good old USA is falling behind the rest of the world in terms of math, science, technology, and we respond by attacking teachers and academic instititutions....weird.
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Have you ever worked at a school? I am the IT director for a school district and we have some of the same problems that were mentioned with NPO's, ancient equipment, strange approval policies etc.
However, I was hired specifically to "upgrade" the infrastructure and I have been supported by the administration in doing that.
We don't have as much money as some private sector orgs would, so we have to wait longer to upgrade things, but its not THAT bad.

I was curious about your comment on schools falling behind, attacking teachers etc.
The primary problem with the schools in the USA is the parents of students. Its not the teachers or the amount of money we spend. Some teachers are under paid and some are over paid. The problem is that students receive NO discipline (read attention and direction) at home and then we expect them to suddenly behave like reasonable, mature people at school. They do not, and they never will. Students will always be as good, or bad, as their parents make them.
(of course there are exceptions, but we are talking about the norm)
You can throw reams of money at the problem and it is not going to change. Unless parents take a significant role in overseeing their children's education, they will not improve.
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Bravo!
hms2004@... 28th Mar 2011
You sum up my experience in the NPO sector pretty well. The users demand enterprise-level support, are totally inept, you have to support 10-year old technology, you get no opportunity to work with anything remotely cutting edge, and to add insult to injury the pay in NPOs suck. The other thing you'll be doing in the NPO sector in addition to your regular duties is to write essays to management justifying every new bit of h/w or s/w expense. You'll have to put up with managers asking you why do they need to spend money on another e-mail server? Isn't the one we brough 5 years ago suffiicient? - and this will come from the same manager who would berate IT about doing 'something' about the slow email system..
and have spent over a decade working with computers; And quite honestly, there's no future in it. I'm seriously considering going back to comm. college and doing automechanics, for real. I usually fix my own car anyway, so I know I wouldn't have to much problem learning this trade. Perhaps once I get a good amount of experience I'll open my own garage.

When you think of it though, auto mechanics is really a good, reccession proof job. When the economy is doing well, people will send their old clunkers to the scrap-yard and buy a new car that gives less problems. But when the economy is hurting, they'll hang on to those old clunkers until the economy picks up. Needless to say, those older cars are going to need more repairs. Something to consider....
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Hang on to that CET
_Papa_ 20th Mar 2011
As electric cars gain a foothold, your electronics/digital experience will be invaluable in that field! The only moving parts will be the door hinges...
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It's interesting you have this list. I was originally a contractor who went to school to learn IT becuase I was physically breaking down and framing houses was too painful to continue doing as a way to make a living, so I got my BS and MS in Telecomunications and BIT - with a minor in Project Management. That was 1986.

25 years later I am now looking to buy property so I can have a small farm when I retire from IT. It's quiet, seasonal and depending on the crops - potentially lucrative.
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Farm Available
ewarden1 14th Mar 2011
Want to farm! I have a turn key farm that I am in the process of selling. 218 acres and all equipment needed. eric@vtassist.com
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Yes please!!
Turn key - what products?
218 acres - where?
im surrounded by farmers and they work hard but have a really good life. they have frequent breaks and are always smiling. i listen to talk back radio and half the daytime callers are farmers. they get plenty of downtime. in short if hard labour is fine but stress and miserable people are your bane, farmings your thing.
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If you're looking to enter the farming life to get away from IT and technology, you're looking in the wrong direction. I have worked in the ag sector my whole life from farm hand to Director of IT at a major pork producer. Livestock and crop farming is now one of the most high-tech industries. From GPS-driven precision agriculture to maximize crop output to individual animal production statistics for livestock producers, IT drives ag these days. In order to be successful (read: survive) as a farmer, you'll definitely need to use your technical skills as well as a hard physical laborer. The ability to predict the future (markets), read the weather, fix machinery, treat sick livestock, understand genetics and live without sleep all come in handy, too.
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Wood Craft
doug.lewis 11th Mar 2011
I enjoy making things with my hands and any wood craft is fun, furniture, pens, buildings, toys like trebuchets happy
I agree Doug.

In IT it does seem that most of the time you are stuck infront of at least one screen typing away, getting a sore back, fidgiting and generally not seeing past a few partitions or walls! I'm the this exact situation and have recently taken up Woodturning and what a relief & stress buster it is. I can go out in the evening, cut some wood, play about with very sharp tools and actually create something which someone appreciates.

This is a complete contrast to IT where no-one appreciates you, or is that just me!?
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Another area in which to get burned out, and those school districts are slashing jobs left and right. Nonetheless, it never hurts to try. You just might have the magic touch or even land a management job. They don't seem to be slashing those as quickly.
ive been a teacher, low pay, grumpy people and energy sapping. the good thing is your better students.
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teaching
rbrogaard 17th Mar 2011
it is stressful. Imagine having to spend your day having to manage 30 employees who don't want to be there and need constant supervsion and reminders to get their work done. You are short of classroon supplies to make the classroom run and you are told there is no money so you pay for them yourself out of your own pocket. You spend the "so called" vacation days doing prep work to satisfy new inititives and changes in the subject matter. You often skip lunch because students need renmedial help and just gobble down a sandwich when you get a chance. You are told that you have to keep about 150 computers from 2002 running. And finally, you get demonized in the media as being the enemy in the budget crisis even though you have spent the last three years on salary freeze.
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teaching
walldorff 18th Mar 2011
...but it's *so* rewarding, when you finally see the lights going on in kids-with-bad-attitudes, when they're willing to listen to what knowledge can do for them.

Of course I agree on what you say.
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Crap
PeteHol 18th Mar 2011
With the governments attitude to IT education - upto age 16 for my experience - teaching IT is more frustrating than anything you've ever done in the past.
Been programming from 74 - 02 then moved to IT support in schools (not by choice only job at the time) and it's the worst job there is - curriculum doesnt teach IT properly, and staff are even worse than normal users ever were!!!
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I have been doing support for a high school district for about 10 years now, and teaching CCNA/ A+ etc. in the same district.
My students are getting dumber as the years go on. Kids don't seem to give a dam, or have any intellectual curiousity. It's been 3 years since I had any mischievous students with hacking skills that posed any threat at all. I actually miss those little b*s%tards now. It's a great way to learn new security protocols when you have a worthy opponent. These days, if I gave away all administrative creds to the kids, nothing would likely come of it.
Weird, as if they just don't want to do anything but watch girls fighting on youtube or play flash games.
On the other hand, teachers are gradually becoming more tech savvy. You would think that the socalled "wired" generation would have more interest in how things work, especially here in The SF Bay Area.
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Teaching
mpgme 29th Mar 2011
Teaching= Best part time job in the world
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Dilbert principle
DEREKGL 16th Mar 2011
Hi I agree a small company does necessarily mean that there will be less work stress,in fact if the company is disorganized it could be worse.I think a lot of it depends on the savy of the management whatever field of work you choose and definitely not the Dilbert principle of management.
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There is a market out side of K-12 I currently work instructing A+ for adults. There is some stress with students, but for the most part I have a super great job. I make enought to pay my bills and put some in savings every check. It is a great break for a while when one gets burned out.
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is that any change means, at some level, starting over again ... nobody is going to pay you your IT salary as a starting teacher (or an auto mechanic, or ...
You are correct, no-one pays the same wage for someone starting a new career as you probably earn now having worked your way up the chain. However, if changing careers is truly the right decision then you take that into consideration and take the initial hit. I'm one of those who's been burning out for a while now, have already started a college course and saving as much as I can, that way when I'm in a position to make the leap (far enough through the course) hopefully I can weather the cut until I gain some experience and start working my way back up to a decent salary. Just depends on how much you want out of IT - "where there's a will there's a way".
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I lived overseas for six years, running my own company selling and repairing computers, setting up and maintaining networks, etc. I moved back to the States in early 2001 - horrible timing. "Self employed" on my resume, out of the country for six years, right after the dot-com crash meant I ended up in construction only because I knew the wife of a sub-contractor. I worked as a waterproofing specialist for four years coating decks mostly. The closest I got to IT during that time was waterproofing a roof after cell tower equipment was installed on it, and data entry and computer maintenance for my boss.

I ended up injuring myself on the job in April '07, to the extent that workmen's compensation paid for me to go back to school. I did as well as I could, and in January I began my new job in a data center, earning a good wage.

I don't know what I would have done if I hadn't injured myself. It turned out to be one of the best things that ever happened to me!
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Farming
bhattsn@... 14th Mar 2011
Funny, I owned an IT company 10 years ago and my goal was to buy small land and have no electronics equipment and do that every year for a month. It has done wonders for me. I can refocus after my hybernation.
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Auditing
wohuinanguj 14th Mar 2011
I recently switched from IT to Auditing.There is less ambiguity and you are not running around like an headless chook trying to out fires everyday.Plus you get to tell other people what to do...heaven..lol
I formally left the tech development world 20 years back, but stayed in the corporate sector, the investment sector, for 8 years. But I always found that my tech skills were of value, could always be leveraged, and I ended up refreshing my skill set every 4 years, over a 4-5 month period each time. That actually turns out to be in sync with tech development phases where a new generation of tools and frameworks rolls out.

For the past 12 years, left the corporate world too, returned to India to a remote forested community, set up an outreach organization to deliver essential social services to poor households. Services include microfinance, microenterprises, primary health and education. Lo & behold, tech is needed for all of these, can make a super difference in service offerings and operating efficiencies. So had to go back to self-study again, were among the first to apply enterprise-wide Linux on netbooks, building apps on tablets and smartphones for health and other services - its unbelievable how the internet has changed the world. Sitting on a remote dusty field a zillion miles away from any city, I am probably as up to date on mobile technologies than people who work right across the street from Google. Go figure!

I left tech originally because it was too interesting, just ruins your social life. I can't wait to get away again.
Whilst the pressure is on in a Fortune 500 company, you're also typically responsible for a much narrower scope of the I.T. environment... when you downsize to a smaller network, you tend to take on much more responsibility and end up on around-the-clock hands on support calls... dangerous trap for young players!
i deal with small companies. they tend to have old gear and expect you to keep it working.
Yes, I definitely agree......I wouldn't doubt there aren't some places out there running Version 6 of Larry's Database, Version 6 of The Evil Empire's Database and An Equally Ancient Version of Incredibly Big Machines' Database......I work in a fairly large shop now, and I support databases ranging from Oracle 8.1.7.4 (don't ask) through Oracle 11.1.6.0.0....................
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Project Management
Amalta Updated - 16th Mar 2011
I am leaving Infrastructure support, going into IT Project management. I have strong organisational skills and an eye for detail, so this may just be a better fit for my personality as well.I will definately miss my domain admin rights. Had them for over 10 years! but at least no more standby, overtime and all night upgrades!!!
For me, with a 1 and half year at home, it'll be great knowing I'll have pretty normal hours soon.
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you think you will be having normal hours .... guess again happy I made the same career move some years ago, from consultancy to IT project management.Positive side is indeed the standby, night upgrades,... that disappear.This is being replaced by meeting preparations during evening / weekend, issue management,planning nightmares when planning for impossible deadlines with limited resources,.... There is no glory in IT project management, you only get in the spotlight when the **** hits the fan happy
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Project Management....
EnEm1 Updated - 16th Mar 2011
I agree with everything you've said, but try putting a different spin on it. Be a Proect Leader, for example and pass your vision of what the system should do to your team. Leave the baby-sitting to project administrators and you'll see gratifying results, especially if you have a technical background.
Moving to project management to get away from stress?

I must be doing it wrong.
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PMP burnout
mhoezee Updated - 16th Mar 2011
Ha, I'm a IT project manager. I recommend you find a PM and talk with them about what they like and don't like about it. You better have good risk and stress management techniques as well as a knack for maneuvering political tarpits. There's significant burnout risk with this career also.
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genetics...
enquiries@... 16th Mar 2011
some kind of science is perfect for i.t. guys. you use your analytical powers but dont deal with whiny users or badly made computer junk. genetics is both exciting and makes use of a lot of computer modelling. by the way, i did teaching - it's more draining and stressful than i.t.
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You mean Genetic Research
bratwizard@... Updated - 16th Mar 2011
Genetic Research is a perfect move for former IT folks as they're always on the lookout for lab rats...
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Farming
h2owe2 16th Mar 2011
I am planning my farm-themed escape from IT admin right now.
One of the great things about farming is that there is always plenty to do and many of these tasks are not particularly time critical. This means that most days you can start each day doing a different task according to your mood and still be fairly productive. This might include taking a morning off to go fishing on a week-day or working hard to erect fencing on a weekend.
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Hobby Farms
Bduffel 16th Mar 2011
I know a number of career farmers, a few "hobby farmers/homesteaders", and personally plant and maintain a significant garden each year...and...if you don't need to rely on your farming enterprise for financial support, I wish you the best. If it is your intention for farming to support you financially, you need to talk to some professional farmers before cashing in your current endeavors.
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Farming...
zmagturf 16th Mar 2011
I am born and raised on a farm and also work in the IT field. I actually work for an agricultural equipment company. I am a one man team for a 7 store dealership. I also help on my fathers farm from time to time. It's not as pick and choose as one might think. There are routines and feeding the animals and doing field work is time critial. When the weather breaks, your work until it is done.

Don't get me wrong, Farming is very rewarding and I do enjoy filling in on weekends. I feel I accomplish more. One thing I am noticing and maybe most of the public doesn't see is the amount of technology that is being injected into farming. So at times you can have the best of both the IT world and farming. I get to see first hand some of the new technology being installed into tractors and it is impressive. GPS in tractors, auto steering, percision tools for planting, harvesting, and more. We have tractors that do practically drive themselves and can "call home" as well as notify the servicing dealer of any problem. When we say technology is everywhere, it is more true than we realize.

I am proud of my farming background and being able to still be part of the AG industry is great. Technology is being used to help farmers produce more on less land for an ever growing population.
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I'm not a farmer,
_Papa_ 20th Mar 2011
but my family comes from a farming background.

My grandfather, a lifelong farmer, asked me once "If farming is so easy, why do fifty year-old farmers look like they're seventy-five?"
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Would you believe I'm about to start a degree course in automotive technology happy I'd love to have a small farm. I recently did a career questionnaire which suggested I should look to forestry as an alternative to computing!
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Hobbies
t.rohner@... 16th Mar 2011
Hi all
i have a couple of hobbies, that i could turn into a full time job. Even a combination of them.
It could end in a gourmet shop-restaurant combination.
My hobbies are beer brewing, bread and pizza baking, sausage/bacon/ham making, smoking meat/fish... and more artisanal food/beverage creations.

On top of that, my better half has a gourmet cooking school.

search for "pizza oven" on instructables.com
...because you'll earn bugger all money and kill your love of your hobby. the key is having a goal in some hobby other than fun which drives you to achieve. a job should be based on a talent combined with a goal. then when it ceases to be enjoyable youre still driven to do it.
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Hobby...sort of
lou@... 16th Mar 2011
This isn't exactly a hobby, I've always liked to tinker around an make things and also love life "on the land". I bought a 100acre bush block many years ago, not to grow crops but just some where to get away. Anyway a few yers ago I made a water level indicator (no electronics!) so I could see how much water was in my watertanks with out doing the 'tap' test. It worked out pretty good and made one for some of my friends who suggested I should make them and sell them. I tried one on ebay and to my surprise in sold, so I made some more and sold as well. Now I sell them on my own website ( www.tankwaterlevel.com ). I used to own a computer shop, now I'm semi-retired, still have my bush block (you can see it on my website and still keep myself busy and make a few bob from my 'hobby'.
I was laid off from my small firm 2 and a half years ago when they outsourced the entire IT Department to India (no, I'm not kidding - everything is done by remote now or sent to a local shop to be repaired if remote doesn't work). For the last 2 1/2 years, I've been job searching. Until your original article "10 Reasons to Quit IT", I really didn't realize how much I did NOT want to go back to IT work. I had been sabotaging my own job hunt to avoid it without even realizing I was doing it. Don't get me wrong, I loved my original job up until a new manager took over. I'm just entirely burned out on it to the point that I don't even want to work on family and friends' computers anymore and even custom-building my new rig this year turned into delay after delay while I didn't want to get to it.

I still haven't quite figured out what I do want to do. I am definitely not cut out for farming or factory labor (I've tried both and been miserable), but I haven't found that one job that jumps out at me and says "I'm it!!". If anyone is in this position, I heartily recommend a temporary staffing agency. Not only does it provide a bit of income, but it also provides you with the opportunity, through the variety of positions most of these companies hire for, to find exactly what you're looking for through trial and error without having to worried about being fired or quitting repetitively until you find that job you've been searching for.

In the meantime, I am enjoying the time I get to spend now with my family without having to worry about those 2a.m. emergency calls or those "I can't log into the VPN!!" calls from the boss several time zones away who doesn't care what time zone you live in or that you have a family. I'm spending some time volunteering my time to a couple of open-source projects and I've offered my services on a volunteer basis to local libraries (I live in small town America where the towns can't necessarily afford the rates commonly charged by IT Techs). No, I don't make money in either situation, but the work is extremely fulfilling and benefits entire communities - not just the bottom line of some corporation. If I could afford to, I'd do just this for the rest of my life - it's that rewarding (at least in small towns where it's appreciated, not expected and where few people are demanding of your services when they're offered). It also provides me with yet another way to network with potential employers.

I'll eventually find that job that I'm looking for. Ultimately, I'd like to end up working in the alternative energy sector as that's a passion of mine, but I'm a bit limited since I refuse to leave my current area. I won't uproot my children who have friends in school nor will I expect my wife to give up all of her friends to move to an area where we know no one and have to start over. I'll work a job I hate before I'll torture my family like that. In the meantime, I'll enjoy playing with my kids in the backyard, walking through my small town smelling the clean air and waving to the people I pass and helping local community organizations with my skill set (while also keeping those skills sharp). It's amazing how much those walks help to clear my head and make decisions that'll determine where I go next.

I do thank you for this article as it has brought to light several options that I had not thought of. I guess it's time to take a walk happy

-Jason
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good to hear
thisislohith 16th Mar 2011
nice man..!!
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Electronic Design
Gonzalo34 Updated - 16th Mar 2011
Not sure if this works for anyone, but Electronic Design and AutoCAD worked for me as a good way to prevent burnout. After some hours struggling with code, drawing colored tracks, placing parts on a PCB or working on a 3-D rendering, can be very relaxing.
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Automotive...
spawnywhippet Updated - 16th Mar 2011
I've always been more interested in cars than computing, but can't find a way to move into the automotive field without getting a mech eng degree (I am almost 40) or taking an entry level job as a trainee mechanic for next to no money.
Consider moving into a performance shop rather than a repair shop. Computer skills can be very useful when tuning a car after performance parts have been installed. The plus side is: you can specialize in certain types of vehicles and only do tuning and installation of new electronic parts. So, no new degrees and no dealing with old junkers that need new brakes. And, there is something satisfying about watching the horsepower go up due to nothing more than your skills with a computer. I do this as a hobby on the side right now and it is way more fun than my day job as a tech support manager.
Often say to my wife, if I had to do it all over again I would be an auto mechanic (been IT Project Manager for about 20 years now). Love the art of solving/managing problems/solutions and am good at it but fed up with the stress. I'm 50 myself and recently signed up for a welding class just for fun. Also bought a vintage VW beetle to restore. Though I find I curse more working on the beetle than I ever do on IT projects.
I'm over 40, have a BSc which I can't claim because my college only kept transcripts for 10 years and I relocated to a new country that requires the transcripts for professional registration (I'd never heard of a transcript until I moved here). I started a college certificate about 18 months ago (still over 40 when I started), have about another 2 years of that and if I still can't get work in the field I want to I'm going back to retake my BSC or see if I can get onto a Masters at the same college I'm sitting the cert with. I'm not saying it's easy, like most in IT I work over my stated hours, frequently evenings and weekends, and have about 15-20 hours of college work on top of that each week. It does require some sacrifices but if you really want the new career it is workable - just takes the commitment on your part.
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Coffee Shop!
colinwpa 16th Mar 2011
One popular post-IT career, at least in this part of the world, is to buy and run a coffee shop, often in the same precinct as where the proprietor once worked, almost as if to retain some sort of link to the life previously lived. Many don't succeed though, boredom and long hours take their toll, and without mental stimulation, soon become just another sort of grinding millstone.
Some take to "tour-guiding", again popular in this neck of the woods, but many IT people are not People people, so also don't find success (where success is defined as 'finding enjoyment in what you do')
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IT engineers who are strong in Maths, can be an amateur mathematician, solve some millenium problem, get Fields Medal (if below 40), Wolf prize (if you are >40), or better still Nobel Prize (if you are still alive by then the Swedish recognise you in time)... or the less sucessful... mathematicians work for stock broker, risky commodity trading, casino (yes, they need to know the probability of win or lose)...
I am one of the IT turned amateur mathematician, looking for the examplary examples of Pierre de Fermat (Judge, Number Theory founder in 16th CE France), Cayley (Lawyer,UK Group Theory 19th CE)...

Don't you think we IT gurus are smart logicians ?
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bratwizard@... 16th Mar 2011
What do you calculate are your odds of success...???
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Automotive
alistair.k Updated - 16th Mar 2011
Almost all automotive repair is parts-swapping now. About as exciting as changing toner cartridges all day. A car may be full of computers but maintenance and repair is just about part swapping. Plug the fault reader into the OBD-II port, read the code, replace the part the reader says is faulty. Clear the buffer, run the car up the street, check for error codes, prepare invoice for customer.

The two automotive areas which are interesting are working on classic or vintage vehicles, which does require you to know how to tweak and get inside the mind of the beast and alternatively the world of performance modification where you will get into reflashing computers, creative mechanical work, etc.
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I started taking night art, design, web design, and sculpture evening classes while I was still working. Btw, met great people in those classes. When I gradually had to let go of IT I started getting into my hobbies seriously and am having a ball. Your wife or partner will love it when you design and make a nice piece of furniture or art to display. Your friends or non-profit organizations will thank you for the free website you made them. I do think the above activities are especially suited for the esthetically inclined but also believe there is an artist in all of us and in the end beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am now working on a kinetic metal sculpture. I made a website of my work at www.art-fully.com. Ars longa, vita brevis. Cheers!
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Here in the UK
rjfandre 16th Mar 2011
All sound ideas. Here in the UK Teaching is well paid but frustrating for IT professionals as budgets are tight and infrastructures are either outsourced or anti-deluvian. Farmers here do quite well (EU subsidies). With outsourcing the most active scene - IT consultancy has a low entry bar. Education is where it's at. If you have worked in corporate IT you will be astonished at how far your knowledge will stretch in Education IT - and it's rewarding, has a break or holiday every 5 to 6 weeks and plenty of local opportunities.
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Cleaning
nick@... 16th Mar 2011
Many days I envy our cleaners.
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corneliusgoh@... Updated - 16th Mar 2011
Pls ignore..
" you will remove a world of suffering from your shoulders"
sorry but working for a smaller company doesn't mean you have less pressure. it only means you have to do more things you are responsible for. I've worked for many large and small companies; in the big ones you get a small job role that doesn't change much; in a smaller company your role is much wider and you spend less time on each area of responsibility. the work pressure doesn't change according to the size of company.
comes a much lower risk of boredom, and often the chance to do some one-man development and engineering. I found that more rewarding than the much larger organization I left and seriously regretted returning to, just for the money.
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I droppped out of the IT race after 25 years, starting in programming and finnishing as development manager for Fujitsu in Germany, Italy and Switzerland. I know run a childcare company with my wife in the UK and life is so much better, the money is a lot worse but quality of life is 1000% better
Somehow IT seems to be one of those professions where everyone else who does not have to do the work is the expert.
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