maybe that's my grief with SSH
now that I think of it.. I wonder if network manager is my grief with SSH. I can forward to a dynamic port and proxy my cli network traffic.. wget returns my proxy IP when checking whatismyip but will Firefox or any GUI app recognize the SSH proxy forward? Heck no.. I've been completely cut off quick and dirty SSH network proxy connections since Debian 6. It suddenly seams very likely that the issue is Netowork Manager not handling things as it should if it's related to how the GUI apps punch through KDE to get network traffic.
If my apps suddenly work after ripping out networkmanager, that's the story I'm sticking with.
