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        <title><![CDATA[Education and training]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[A human resources manager once told me that a degree only certified that you are trainable.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mike five]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:00:57 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[timing is a big help too.  see  below from june 9 blog]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The first I Pod guys you got it wrong.the first i Pod was in fact as big as a slot machine and was, Named the i Pod firstly because the device was to be used for internet and information so it was just give the letter I and as for the Pod the team came up with the name pod as it was in the inventors eyes a pod like a flower pod full of new life and good ideas. The name of the company was indeed I Pod and was situated in brisbane Australia. and the year was 1995 unfortunately the australian invention was too early in the market. we even had the first online trading post and when we offered to put the printed version online for just a few cents per advert the managing editor told us the internet would not take off as it was just a fad... Even our revenue stream ideas Were so far advanced that even to this day they have not caught up . There is so much that can still be done. it is sad to see tha the great thinkers are not on the ball, With todays wireless tech and infotech competent society There are so many opportunities just waiting to be developed. So I encourage entrepreneurs to go for it. Mind You I can tell you getting a business angel would be a good idea for starters. they weren't there for me or my team. Show Less -Posted by graytmindJun 09, 2011 @ 4:47 AM (PDT)]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[graytmind]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:10:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Education Escapee]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I quit school (at 17) because thought wasn't allowed to go beyond agreed upon subject matter. I thought that was just insane. I still don't understand how people stop their thoughts at some arbitrary/imaginary boundary. Nor why they would want to.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[syssie]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:04:27 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Same for me, but education still &amp;quot;matters&amp;quot;]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[When I was in education, I was considered a &quot;bright spark&quot; - could hold my own in pretty much any subject, get top (or decent) scores without effort.I'm now in a two-bit job that bears no relation to what I have learned, mainly because the education system wasn't geared up to actually teach you the important things and let you know what you wanted out of life.However, I'll have to be going back into education, because what I like doing and I'm good at - IT and computing - I have no formal qualification in, and employers prefer you to have a piece of paper that says you know what you know, rather than your CV saying you can do what you've done - look at any job posting, and although experience can be on there, there'll be a list of qualifications you should have. Crazy.For me, its a toss-up between a masters degree in computing, or concurrent Cisco CCNA and MCITP training - I'd think the CCNA/MCITP combo would be worth &quot;more&quot; in the IT industry and be cheaper to get, but my dad believes the masters is better for my career prospects.Regardless, it'll be some pieces of paper that say I can do what I already know.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[DSG7]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:48:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[One of my favorite quotes...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[???You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, 'Why not?'???  -George Bernard ShawEducation is not necessary for dreams, in fact they often get in the way.  Likewise with innovation.  Perhaps it's time we teach people how to think and problem solve and then cut them loose.  The best at it will be in demand, while the ones who are not so gifted will be users... kinda like it is in IT now.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Alpha_Dog]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:32:30 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Read some Catullus, link included]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/e72.htmRead a few at least, (and may I recommend 72, 73, 74)He's a deep one, with many sharks in him. And power, lots of power.A magus.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 03:27:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Bye Plato]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[If not Plato, what? Caesar? Hesiod? Limit of 5 for the Western classical canon?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilmot McCutchen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 17:31:04 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I think the point is...]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-344939-3457194]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[...that Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg had spent years in school and were well down the road to success by the time they dropped out.The self-deluded, lazy potheads weren't likely to be going anywhere anyway.  Best they leave and make room for someone who is.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnMcGrew@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 05:28:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I'm educated and certified, but ...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[it took some education to get to here. When these formally known Tech Critics refer to Gate's and Zuckerberg's education, they are merely going on the fact that they dropped-out of college. None to say the least have they gathered any information as to the rest of their schooling and or courses in other subjects. This is like the same cliche' made towards Einstein and his constant bad marks in Elementary School, Middle School, and High School. But, didn't these aspiring geniuses lead themselves to a certain point in learning, whether it be their own self-educating or one-on-one group sessions and/or so on . . . .]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmos-420man]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:12:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[MBA's]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Many MBA's have been miss sold.If you have an MBA under 35 you are unlikely to use it,you and the employers have wasted their time.The chances of an exception in this rule is like finding hens teeth! Forget this unless you have natural business skills...just get good at what you do.You will get wealthy and enjoy life.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[The Management consultant]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:22:26 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Why Plato]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[and not Catullus?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:41:34 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Most admirably said]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Thus far.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[santeewelding]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:16:48 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Classical education is not a waste of time]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Reading Plutarch, Plato, Herodotus, Polybius, Livy, and Homer may seem irrelevant to invention, but I believe it helps.  The inductive effect of these ancient examples of courage and drive is relevant to the process of conceiving a novel and useful idea and reducing it to practice.  Classical education can give some idea of the virtues that support innovation.  But heroism is unfashionable these days.  Exalting mediocrity and conformist group-think have taken its place, as in the Dark Ages.  Instead of leading out a student on a voyage of discovery (educere) current educational theory emphasizes pounding in (educare) enough to pass an exam and get a job to take one's place as a wage slave.  Live brave and think bold, like the ancients.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilmot McCutchen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:18:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Lighting a fire, not filling a bottle.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Infotwins, I agree with your view.  Knowledge grounded in the reality of an actual and significant problem that needs solution is what is retained and becomes useful as a future tool.  As Plutarch said: &quot;Education is lighting a fire, not filling a bottle.&quot; (from his essay &quot;On Listening&quot;).]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilmot McCutchen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:35:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Other &amp;quot;uneducated&amp;quot; pioneers]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Michael Faraday (generator), Nicola Tesla (AC motor), Charles Goodyear (vulcanized rubber), James Watt (steam engine), Thomas Edison (electric light), the Wright brothers (airplane) are some that come immediately to mind.  See also &quot;The Heroic Age of American Invention&quot; by L. Sprague de Camp (1961).  With so many resources now available online for self-directed learning in support of creative problem-solving, &quot;uneducated&quot; investigators can bypass the paper chase and avoid the debt burden.  Mr. Thiel himself is another good example.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilmot McCutchen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:05:17 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's time for different schools.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Perhaps we need less traditional brick and mortar schools and more schools that teach and really inspire innovation.  We still need education to teach the basics, but instead of making Western civilization a required class, we should make entrepreneur classes required.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[gunnarzdad]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 05:02:21 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Whatever...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[people drop out of the system for laughs. Sure, fine. I believe you.Now pull the other one.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 04:45:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Most??]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Do you have numbers to back up your most claim. Sounds about as plausible as the most claim you are disputing.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jahfrey]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:25:36 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The best class is a mixed class.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[As one of the fast learners in high school, I was put to work by my teachers helping the slower students keep up.  Two of those teachers believed in &quot;team learning&quot; and paired students up at the beginning of the year; all course work was done by the team.  This included projects, presentations, labs, and reports.  And, to give both teachers credit, each student also got an individual grade on their contribution to the course work, and on their homework, which was done individually.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[NickNielsen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:11:21 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[But the scholarships aren't about education policy]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[They're about innovation policy.And the article discusses the fact that da Vinci, while not formally educated, most likely educated himself through his readings and observations.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[NickNielsen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:04:10 -0700</pubDate>
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