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        <title><![CDATA[Garden leave is when your employer]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[chooses not to have you work your notice period, even thouygh they still have to pay you it. 30 days is standard in the UK, but 60 and 90 are not unheard of for higher value positions. Other countries in the EU, make us us look like a bunch of right wing crypto-facists.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:10:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[On the P &amp; L we are only a cost]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It's a nice hard number, easy to quantify and attack.What's your or my contribution to profit, that isn't simply reducing cost though. Soft fuzzy guess isn't it.This is why you see myopic twits replace competent pros, with cheap numpties. Not evaluating the real cost, just the easy one.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:00:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It really is amazing...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[How do all these perpwalkers cover the costs of sifting through the sacked person's unfinished stuff? It can easily be a couple of days worth of detective work...But maybe they all just reassign everything and let others do it from scratch, costly that, too.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:48:17 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I actually had a very different, very unusual experience with this...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I worked for a company that provided a medical procedure and I was one of two claims analysts.  When the staffing reductions started, they apparently decided that they could get by with just one analyst (we were both overloaded with work!).  I got called into my bosses office early in the morning.  When I opened the door and saw the HR person sitting with my boss, I knew immediately that it was going to be me.  Long story short, my boss trusted me enough to allow me to leave at Noon instead of the &quot;perp walk', which I greatly appreciated.  Not only did it allow me the time to transfer over what I was working on to the other analyst, but it also allowed me to gather my stuff, backup my personal stuff from the computer and also to say goodby to my co-workers and friends.  Probably the best company that I ever worked for.  Bad senior management got them into that position, but the core people were great.  I've been through other staffing reductions and the experience was much different, much like others have described.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AlChirico]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:34:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I have never said shove it,]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[...I was much more creative. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Alpha_Dog]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 10:27:57 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Dumbgebra]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[They all seem to forget about synergy.x+y=10x+2y : if the x is the cost of an employee, and the y is the cost of the machinery... the trick is that the employee can put the machinery to use, which generates z - aka &quot;product&quot;.Their dumbgebra always falters; if you subtract all x'es, will it work?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 07:51:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Fear]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[leads to hatred.That way lies the stupid side.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 07:48:16 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Expense VS. Investment]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In some organizations the IT staff is an expense in others they are an investment.  So the process of justifying the staff for an IT manager can be a protracted.  I have managed both kinds of teams, internal IT and consultants.  In the 1st scenario the Corp managers in a company looking to slim up their expenses will look at the IT manager and ask, What have you done for me lately?  The IT manager then has to explain the value of each member o the team and what they do daily to ensure the company runs well with the lubricant IT solutions apply to the corporate engine.  In the 2nd scenario the manager has to show less time on the bench and many happy client faces.  The salary paid to an IT person in the 1st example comes from a company, in most cases, that does not sell IT but another widget.  In the 2nd the company sells the grey matter and panache of the IT person.  This IT person has more control over their destiny in most cases.  A good consultant can draw more business and increase profits and can impact the client relationship more than the sales team can.  That consultant can ask for a raise easier because he can quantify his argument with billable hours as a factor.Who is asking for the raise?  Who is on the chopping block?  We are in a fickle world here in the US IT field and I wager for or against none!The value of people gets lost in the P+L statement, bottom line.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CCIE Agent]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 06:50:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[NO]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The companies I have worked for in a management capacity have tried many ways when down-sizing.  I have seen them make the decision that calling the employee/RIFee at home while in the company of their family was a good idea.  After sitting in the room with my ???nay??? vote recorded and watching the results I was vindicated for not agreeing.  I have been the one giving the message to twelve direct reports in one conference room as they waited for their turn to be let-go.  The fact that all the conference rooms were booked as slaughter houses similar to the one I was in did not seem to keep the sensitivity high only fuel the rumor and hate mill.  One creative organization even decided to try meetings on client sites where consultants were billing.  What a mess that was the clients this happened with hired many of the folks but the planning did not include them so the use of their premises was no appreciated.Yes it does not strike a proper balance or ever really feel good unless you get a notice period that allows you to work things out.  Very few companies do that but more should.  No sensible IT person is going to go into work and burn down the building.  Instead they will have like company with which to commiserate as they prepare for the next phase.  That I think is the better way of letting anyone with a good history go.  In the European Union the experience is different than in the USA.  It is common to have to carry the salary of the ex-employee for 90 days (if I remember) while they look for a new job.  Resignation periods are called ???Gardening??? and the 90 days are spent idly between jobs.Quitting your job is hard if you have been there for any length of time.  Respect for a good manager and a good team requires you to say good bye on friendly terms if possible.  Quitting a jog after working for a bad boss is different???.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 06:18:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The fact that notice from an employer and employee are unequal]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[says one or the other has a bigger balance of legistalive power. Any sane country would remove that inequality by whatever means necessary.I heard an engineer at a union meeting at one place whinge about having a three month notice period, in that he couldn't just leave on the spot. He wanted us lesser lifeforms to go to bat for him.  Lesser perhaps, total imbeciles no...Notice period is an indication of value. If you use a union to increase your value unfairly, than you are as bad as the hypocrites who want to sack you in the next minute but expect two weeks notice if you resign.Uinions now, just a another set of bosses wth unfair and often unrealistic expectations.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:55:46 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[One of the interesting things is even those who just view it from]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[the impersonal existence of capablility, ie the fact that you do have the power to damage is too great a risk to take, is the examples they cite for people who did. Near everyone of them being a complete failure to distrust, and they all got caught, ie they were f'ing idiots. Breaking something is easy, getting away with it si very different matter, especially when you are going to be the prime and quite probably only suspect anyway.I fail to see why you would trust an idiot up until you sacked them...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:40:13 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[We put a high value on our people]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This one costs ten bucks an hour....Bottom line in business is profit, if you cost X, they want value X+, if that isn't true, they and then you, or just you are gone.It's that's simple, everything else is a attempt to cushion this harsh reality so you don't ask for 11 bucks an hour, or to turn X+ into X++ without an increase in X]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:22:15 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Burning bridges... that's it.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The perp walk (and the associated practices of what lies beneath it) is actually their burning the bridge from the other end.Why has it become canonized?Would make sense to have a choice, at least.Benign detachment &gt; Debrief (Isolate and debrief at worst)Malign detachment &gt; Escort to the door, check for damage.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:02:12 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Stands to reason though...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The greatest assets need to be put in their place, eh?Keeps them from thinking they're actually worth something.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:54:02 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Strike fear?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[No, I don't think so.It does set off a lot of &quot;Note to self: incorporate more logic bombs&quot; reminders in the people who don't have trouble identifying with the one that got away.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AnsuGisalas]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:04:19 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Two sides of that coin...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I left the employ of a large corporation under good terms, announcing my intention to resign with 4 weeks notice, double of what I agreed to on my employment forms.   I was immediately given the &quot;perp walk&quot; which irked me, but given the nature of what we did I understood.Following company procedure, they killed my logins and TSOs (yes, mainframes).  All was well until they removed my personal directory.  At first they thought I had planted a logic bomb, but when they realized what happened, they had no one to blame but themselves.First, I was an admin, not a programmer.  When I asked for space to place code on production or test machines, I was always turned down.  It didn't matter that much of the code was incorporated into main loops and became mission critical... I was not a programmer and the production and test machines were programmer turf.  When they killed my directories the mainframe's main production loop became inoperative.It was one of those situations where the company is loosing money by the second.  They started off playing hardball, which pissed me off.  I probably would have handed them my backups (which I wasn't supposed to have, but we all did), but when threatened with FBI involvement and legal action, I told them to take their best shot and hung up.  I was about to put the zip drive media in the toaster oven when my old boss called begging.  I literally had the disks on the cookie sheet and the oven plugged into my patio outlet, ready to go.Long story short, (too late) I came in as a consultant and saved the day at 8 times my normal salary.  I had more access than I ever did as an admin, but it still took 2 weeks to fix the issues they caused and another week to clear the backlog.  They were the first client of what became my current business.  They asked me to stay on for another 2 months, then kept me on call with a generous retainer for 6 months.The moral of the story is twofold. This advice goes for the newly departed form a business, the business, and current employees.  First, think before you act, even if it is company policy.  Second, don't burn a bridge... it's the fastest way to find out that the world is round.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Alpha_Dog]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:53:18 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[So who marked me down this time?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I have a spare sense of humour chip available at a reasonable price.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:11:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Reality vs. concept]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The premise of organizing labor, particularly in the beginning, was clearly necessary.  Unfortunately, the reality is that unions and union bosses have become a refuge for mafia-like thugs and criminals who force unionization upon those who don't want to join, often by force.  Today, workers have to choose between being abused by their employers or being abused by union thugs.  Some choice.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[AlChirico]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:41:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Seen it done, never been on the recieving end though.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Some have left management with no other sensible choice, one twit had a machine full of porn, that's just evolution in action. I've also seen it done to people, for what amounts to a complete and unjustifiable lack of trust. The message your remaining employees get, may not be the one you want.Especially if your next address to the workforce is going to be our people are our greatest asset, even the most naive's BS filters are going to overload...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:09:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I don't mind the escort off the premises as such, though I often think it's]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[misapplied. Though in their favour unless it's being sacked for gross misconduct, it would what we call garden leave in the UK, you still get paid for the period of your notice, at it was their choice not to make you serve it.The thing that interest me is, if that's the practice how do they cope with the immediate loss. Are all the passwords you need as admin in a safe somewhere, is your work backed up in a source safe, do they have proceses so they know where you are in a task.If not, you are about to work for a bunch idiots....Never a good idea that.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 08:55:48 -0700</pubDate>
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