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tongue in cheek here, as my business offers online backup solutions. But, if you partner with a trusted member of family and you knew what you were doing, you could backup each other's data to each other's site. But also, there are fire proof enclosures and bullet proof cases for hard drives available.
That basically starts with the assumption that a disaster occurred. Luckily we've seen no flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunamies, exploding nuclear power plants or volcanoes this year... phewwww.....
Properly designed home / small business NAS will set you back around ??1000 in the UK. Now, syncing my encrypted files - photos, projects - to a cloud provider's space and docs to Dropbox will cost me about ??5/month. I also run another sync to external drive. It's secure and reliable - likelihood of losing both to a natural disaster will cause more problems than lost data.
A home NAS with 1000Base connection and a RAID of 1TB drives can be had for less than a third of that price.
And maybe you have a free 1Gb internet connection but for me a 12Mb (600kb upload) costs ~50$US, A connection that is regularly saturated with my normal use.
Personally I use 2 setups and rotate them to a fire box once a month.
And maybe you have a free 1Gb internet connection but for me a 12Mb (600kb upload) costs ~50$US, A connection that is regularly saturated with my normal use.
Personally I use 2 setups and rotate them to a fire box once a month.
Clearly I will go with common sense and not pool my data in one place.the sony play station users will vote for that one!
1. I have my own iThingy, Apple better keep their hands off it.
2. I'm neither the smartest nor the dumbest guy in the world, I don't need to wrap my head around this yet. Acronis does my daily backup. I can image and reload without the internet.
3. I buy my music and videos from Amazon, for use with Windows Media Center, either on my W7 machine or my Xbox, on the Xbox live network. I stream video on a number of platforms, some parts of that part of the network are transparent to me.
4. I don't care about a hack on iTunes, I don't use their services.
2. I'm neither the smartest nor the dumbest guy in the world, I don't need to wrap my head around this yet. Acronis does my daily backup. I can image and reload without the internet.
3. I buy my music and videos from Amazon, for use with Windows Media Center, either on my W7 machine or my Xbox, on the Xbox live network. I stream video on a number of platforms, some parts of that part of the network are transparent to me.
4. I don't care about a hack on iTunes, I don't use their services.
Sounds like you're sucking down the Microsoft kool-aid. Anyone who thinks their data is safe on NTFS, FAT or any other lolsoft file system is kidding themselves, especially on RAID. (In all likelyhood, you're on FakeRAID anyway, which has nothing but disadvantages in front of software or full-hardware RAID)
Trust me when I tell you: If you care about your data, its either on a clustered filesystem or Sun (now Oracle) ZFS. Before you come back here and blow your horn about how great your solution is, I suggest getting intimately familiar with Unix/Linux (not just a "I tried it and hated it because I couldn't figure it out" level), even if you choose to use Winblows afterwards it'll be the best thing you've ever done. There are three, great ways to do that:
-Buy a Mac, and run OSX on it. The MacBook Pro is nice if you're looking for a laptop.
-Buy or build a computer, and install Linux. Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuSE, or another distro will work well. Use that machine separate from your main rig, and exclusively for Linux if you can, because then you'll feel less like curling up and hiding from it.
-Do the above, and install Solaris or FreeBSD on it instead. Note that this will likely be of higher difficulty.
No matter who you like in the tech realm, or how much you think you know about computing, remaining ignorant of other software solutions means you don't know jack, and only hurts you in the long run. Why rail on Apple, when they actually provide a decent (arguably better) stack (OSX) than the alternative? Use everyone for what they're good at.
Trust me when I tell you: If you care about your data, its either on a clustered filesystem or Sun (now Oracle) ZFS. Before you come back here and blow your horn about how great your solution is, I suggest getting intimately familiar with Unix/Linux (not just a "I tried it and hated it because I couldn't figure it out" level), even if you choose to use Winblows afterwards it'll be the best thing you've ever done. There are three, great ways to do that:
-Buy a Mac, and run OSX on it. The MacBook Pro is nice if you're looking for a laptop.
-Buy or build a computer, and install Linux. Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuSE, or another distro will work well. Use that machine separate from your main rig, and exclusively for Linux if you can, because then you'll feel less like curling up and hiding from it.
-Do the above, and install Solaris or FreeBSD on it instead. Note that this will likely be of higher difficulty.
No matter who you like in the tech realm, or how much you think you know about computing, remaining ignorant of other software solutions means you don't know jack, and only hurts you in the long run. Why rail on Apple, when they actually provide a decent (arguably better) stack (OSX) than the alternative? Use everyone for what they're good at.
Datacenter providers, Apple included, have a business requirement to provide almost uninterrupted uptime. They have these things called Service level agreements that guarantee usually something along the lines of 99.99% uptime, or occasionally higher. They lose that, they pay. Does your PC (Windows??) give you 99.99% uptime (that's around 52 minutes in a year not working)? I'm willing to be it doesn't.
Does your PC crash if you have a power cut? Apple's datacenter doesn't. If your hard drive dies, can you still access your porn stash in under a second?
Accusations are easy to lob around, but not so easy to back up...
Does your PC crash if you have a power cut? Apple's datacenter doesn't. If your hard drive dies, can you still access your porn stash in under a second?
Accusations are easy to lob around, but not so easy to back up...
A site's structure, i.e.: the physical site, is not the totality of the infrastructure that is required to make the cloud work. There are other mechanisms which are required to be up all the time before the site's 99.99% uptime can be guaranteed. If a broadband provider's service goes down, the site's 99.99% uptime becomes completely irrelevant, and the user is left with no service, and it doesn't matter who is the culprit. If power goes out somewhere along the line and in-between the site and the end-user, then the uptime at the cloud provider, again, becomes irrelevant.
The cloud is much more than iCloud or Google or Microsoft. It's a whole bunch of intermediaries and steps which must be operational, and each must be truly 99.99% reliable before that 99.99% uptime for the cloud is credible.
The cloud is much more than iCloud or Google or Microsoft. It's a whole bunch of intermediaries and steps which must be operational, and each must be truly 99.99% reliable before that 99.99% uptime for the cloud is credible.
not the whole network.
I used to work with a platform (Tandem computer), which was an innovator in massively parallel and fault-tolerant, mirrored, and redundant computing, and we could tout 100% uptime, but, when the communications/telephone equipment went down or when there was a power outage, the Tandem would still be running, but nothing was getting done at the production end. See the lesson?
I used to work with a platform (Tandem computer), which was an innovator in massively parallel and fault-tolerant, mirrored, and redundant computing, and we could tout 100% uptime, but, when the communications/telephone equipment went down or when there was a power outage, the Tandem would still be running, but nothing was getting done at the production end. See the lesson?
Tandem, some very great technology,...... seems the "Cloud" from Apple, ATT, HP, Dell, IBM, Oracle, Net APPS, CISCO, Google, Microsoft, Verizon and the numerous others are all making a play for a piece of this UBIQUOTOUS connectivity and device, data and application independence. The world of IT companies will make a play for partners to be the 'CLOUD", no one can do it all, The key to any "vendors" success in this emerging marketplace, is to capture the users/business/enterprise with the suite of features, functions and flexabilities to plug and play the best of breed technologies under the covers as the technologies mature in a seemless way, while providing the price-point that maximizes client value, from the 1 user to the globally dispersed 100,000 user environments. It seems that there is a convergence of the Personal and Business/Professional technology users needs that need to be blended or segregate??
The cloud has been around for a long time, just a new naming convention...SAGUTZ@technologist.com
The cloud has been around for a long time, just a new naming convention...SAGUTZ@technologist.com
I will still stick to my pc, with everything loaded locally. Have external backups, full image, ups, raid... Wouldn't ever purchase nor consider purchasing a MAC or anything else "i" or apple.
You reminded Oi is a great Unix system the i in openindiana is not BSD.With these global companies seducing you to give away your private data the end game is privcy infringement and liberty.I am sticking to my new found friend in Europe of satellite broadband out of control of wikileaks scared civil servants who seek to control the net and need sacking.
Lucas, trusting corporate data to 99.9 percent uptime is one thing, and frankly that is a real stretch considering the fact that most systems do have off time. I am curious if you trust YOUR personal data to these places. if you are that trusting, I assume you don't lock your house or car.
For starters, don't use words you don't understand... I believe the word you're looking for is "moot" rather than "mute". Really, please... don't use a Mac. You'd ruin their user demographics. It's not surprising that you're most valued possession appears to be porn.
Further, putting Apple iTunes in the same category as Sony's PSP network is yet another form of ignorance on your part. Apple's iTunes was not hacked. A few users have been hacked simply because of their own lack of control of passwords or use of strong passwords, etc. Apple's iTunes itself was not hacked. Sony was hacked. All Sony PSP user's credit card data was compromised. Comparing the two is simply ignorant.
Further, putting Apple iTunes in the same category as Sony's PSP network is yet another form of ignorance on your part. Apple's iTunes was not hacked. A few users have been hacked simply because of their own lack of control of passwords or use of strong passwords, etc. Apple's iTunes itself was not hacked. Sony was hacked. All Sony PSP user's credit card data was compromised. Comparing the two is simply ignorant.
Don't you mean "your most valued possession" not "you're most valued possession"? It's not fair to be critical of another's use of words if you use them incorrectly yourself.
"Posts correcting grammar are fair game for correction."
- Possessive pronouns do not take an apostrophe: his, hers, your, its, ours, theirs.
- When indicating possession in a plural noun, the apostrophe follows the 's'. So, assuming you were referring to the credit card data belonging to all PSP users, the sentence should have read "All Sony PSP users' credit card data was compromised."
- Possessive pronouns do not take an apostrophe: his, hers, your, its, ours, theirs.
- When indicating possession in a plural noun, the apostrophe follows the 's'. So, assuming you were referring to the credit card data belonging to all PSP users, the sentence should have read "All Sony PSP users' credit card data was compromised."
I was back in my highschool English class.... come to think of it, my teacher was hot! Thanks!
I think you two meant 'PSN' (the gaming Network); not 'PSP' (the portable game device)......kinda like using 'mute' for 'moot', eh?
Kinda poignant, albeit porn or company financial reports, but where exactly is the cloud. Who has access to the machines that operate the cloud. I don't want my info floating around. A lot of hacking going on because a lot of doors that can be opened on a lot of machines that no one really has clear vision of ... this cloud is not secure.
Hello,
What we did with our order system iPos: the user inetrface in a webapp and the data realtime local storage and also the reporting local
So a combination of both makes a strong solution
http://www.mobielkassasysteem.nl/mob/app/demoe/
Ben van der Lei
Usefull Programming
What we did with our order system iPos: the user inetrface in a webapp and the data realtime local storage and also the reporting local
So a combination of both makes a strong solution
http://www.mobielkassasysteem.nl/mob/app/demoe/
Ben van der Lei
Usefull Programming
Yeah, the big dirty secret. Resistance to "cloud" architectures (and centralized, managed, shared, cost-efficient storage) is all about porn. I keep forgetting it's not just about "I won't be important anymore."
It's probably not a matter of what is the center but more of who has the master. With Apple, the master is on a PC and the cloud is the conduit to get it to other appliances. With Google, the master is in the cloud an the PC is caching the data. However, Google is not making the caching explicit, read: you cannot seiously look at your data off-line. So, if Google wants to provide a response to Apple, they should make the caching more explicit...
I see GOOGLE as the more realistic one...preparing for grand future though having a place in the present
Those who think that Cloud Computing is returning to the mainframe era are far away of the true concept of Cloud, this shared model service is about being flexible, measurable, scalable, elastic, on demand, it's a whole different concept.
If security is the problem let my remind you that security is a matter of procedures, being on a cloud doesn't mean to leave everything on vendors hands and that??s why we have different kind of cloud: Private, Public and Hybrid.
As all the technologies, it is matter of how we use it and how we are taking advantage of the benefits that vendors offers to us.
If security is the problem let my remind you that security is a matter of procedures, being on a cloud doesn't mean to leave everything on vendors hands and that??s why we have different kind of cloud: Private, Public and Hybrid.
As all the technologies, it is matter of how we use it and how we are taking advantage of the benefits that vendors offers to us.
We may have a bit more reliability, and we may have a lot more progress along the way of data representation (gui), but, it's the same old, same old. I was one of the mainframers, and I know what it was like, and what the cloud offers is not much different, except, it's got a lot more customers to deal with.
So the IBM person who claimed that there would be no need for more than 4 or 5 computers in the world was right then! I already figured out that the cloud was the new version of "centralized computing". I guess Cloud 2.0 will be about ... your own cloud. On "a device". Can someone write a memo to marketing? 
BTW, a mainframe, or what they call mainframe right now, could be a massively parallel computing device, with millions of cores, and humongous storage capabilities, able to serve hundreds of millions of requests/transactions at the same time, and if we could build 5 of those super-computers like that, then in fact, we probably wouldn't need as many computers that we have in the world right now.
But, I still like the control I have at my fingertips.
But, I still like the control I have at my fingertips.
From an earlier post:
"...this shared model service is about being flexible, measurable, scalable, elastic, on demand..."
Let me go back a number of years to a time when I was working on an IBM 303x hardware platform, in a VM/CMS environment.
Flexible: I could sign on from any 327x terminal in any of four local offices, and use pass-through capabilities to sign on from locations in two other cities. Computing resources available were the same from any access point. Restrictions on number of access points were limited by functional requirements and authorization policies. Technical capabilities were much broader.
Measurable: I had a small set of real-time stats available for resource usage (storage, CPU, I/O) in every session. I wrote a billing system for this environment to support departmental chargebacks, so I can also say that there was a lot of additional measurement information that was available within the mainframe.
Scalable: A simple on-line request to increase my Virtual Machine size (to essentially increase computing resources available to me during my session) was implemented automatically and immediately up to an authorized limit. This automatic upper limit could be increased with suitable justification in one to two days (same-day emergency requests could be implemented if you had the right level of management support).
A similar process was provided to increase disk storage allocation when needed.
Elastic: When your peak demand request was completed, your extra resources were returned to the system pool, so that others could use them.
On Demand: As noted, some requests were addressed automatically and immediately, with no human intervention required.
When I look at these examples, I can't help but see a lot of architectural similarities between "Cloud" and "Mainframe." This shouldn't automatically be considered a bad thing: the mainframe did a good job at providing certain services.
Now I can also see that the current Cloud architecture has overcome some historical Mainframe limitations: communications in particular have improved dramatically (Internet 1, SNA 0). This is where the opportunity for real progress lies: recognize the good parts of what was used in years gone by, but also recognize where new technology components can overcome past limitations and stretch the boundaries to new levels.
"...this shared model service is about being flexible, measurable, scalable, elastic, on demand..."
Let me go back a number of years to a time when I was working on an IBM 303x hardware platform, in a VM/CMS environment.
Flexible: I could sign on from any 327x terminal in any of four local offices, and use pass-through capabilities to sign on from locations in two other cities. Computing resources available were the same from any access point. Restrictions on number of access points were limited by functional requirements and authorization policies. Technical capabilities were much broader.
Measurable: I had a small set of real-time stats available for resource usage (storage, CPU, I/O) in every session. I wrote a billing system for this environment to support departmental chargebacks, so I can also say that there was a lot of additional measurement information that was available within the mainframe.
Scalable: A simple on-line request to increase my Virtual Machine size (to essentially increase computing resources available to me during my session) was implemented automatically and immediately up to an authorized limit. This automatic upper limit could be increased with suitable justification in one to two days (same-day emergency requests could be implemented if you had the right level of management support).
A similar process was provided to increase disk storage allocation when needed.
Elastic: When your peak demand request was completed, your extra resources were returned to the system pool, so that others could use them.
On Demand: As noted, some requests were addressed automatically and immediately, with no human intervention required.
When I look at these examples, I can't help but see a lot of architectural similarities between "Cloud" and "Mainframe." This shouldn't automatically be considered a bad thing: the mainframe did a good job at providing certain services.
Now I can also see that the current Cloud architecture has overcome some historical Mainframe limitations: communications in particular have improved dramatically (Internet 1, SNA 0). This is where the opportunity for real progress lies: recognize the good parts of what was used in years gone by, but also recognize where new technology components can overcome past limitations and stretch the boundaries to new levels.
Hi, The two ways of approach in Cloud, it is not way of thinking alone. it's all about marketing, apple business is devices, google business is web
There are still lots of companies which value their data and security higher than "connectivity" and where you just won't be able to use either Google or Apple or any cloud for the internal work.
As a developer, would you put the source code you just developed onto a cloud (if you can)?
The huge datacenter Apple has built has also enough processing power to decrypt any encryption you might want to apply in seconds ...
As a developer, would you put the source code you just developed onto a cloud (if you can)?
The huge datacenter Apple has built has also enough processing power to decrypt any encryption you might want to apply in seconds ...
and the iPad2 has more than enough power to en/decrypt as well. My thoughts exactly. If they bother to protect iMessages (want pizza?) why not files.
Then there's Microsoft who does it both ways. They've got Office Web apps that work through the browser with collaboration support and file format support that works much better than Google Apps. The've also got the online file storage and syncing with Live Mesh (who's beta version actually had a web-based desktop interface.) Then there's the full Office Suite for people who want both online SharePoint/SkyDrive/Cloud connectivity/collaboration as well as offline access and powerful processing tools not available in any web app. It seems like Microsoft has all bases covered, huh?
Live Mesh has been around for quite some time now, and it seems Apple are really just playing catch-up with their iCloud. Microsoft build their products to function both in and out of the cloud, and let their customer make the choice. To me, that's the way it should be done.
Well said. Microsoft has had cloud based systems for a long time. Live Mesh does everthing Icloud is promising for the future. MS spanked Apple on this one.
Apple is thinking of simplicity and mobility. I agree that MS has done a very good job overall. Apple simply wants to make this technology used by everyone. As they did with smartphones which used to be ignored by consumers (Nokia's words not mine)
You mean, "Apple simply wants to make this technology used by everyone who uses Apple products."
Microsoft's Windows Phone already has many of the iOS 5 features. It already does have the option to automatically upload photos to SkyDrive (with quick share to Facebook). It also already has OneNote SkyDrive syncing and SharePoint private-cloud file syncing. The update will bring full SkyDrive document support and video upload/sharing support. As for music, with a Zune pass, they've got the option to stream or download any music in the Zune Marketplace no matter where you are. (Not just the ones you own.)
Microsoft's Windows Phone already has many of the iOS 5 features. It already does have the option to automatically upload photos to SkyDrive (with quick share to Facebook). It also already has OneNote SkyDrive syncing and SharePoint private-cloud file syncing. The update will bring full SkyDrive document support and video upload/sharing support. As for music, with a Zune pass, they've got the option to stream or download any music in the Zune Marketplace no matter where you are. (Not just the ones you own.)
Zune = Fail. Kindle = Fail. Windows Phone will continue the fail, as all hints point to. Windows 8 is downgrading the Windows UI to WP7 levels so that going forward you'll look at Windows Phone and say: "Hey, that looks just like my PC!". Can't get your platform to succeed in mobile? Lower the bar low enough and it wont matter anymore!??? (Trademark Microsoft)
I don't want my personal stuff floating in a cloud unless it's encrypted with keys that only my devices have.
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