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        <title><![CDATA[ASUS is definitely one of the best MoBo builders.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The quality of the motherboard assembly is critical to the reliability of the overall PC. Maybe that's why Apple uses ASUS to assemble the Apple-designed motherboards.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Vulpinemac]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:43:44 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Sometimes that generic PC is just not enough]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Like when you need real reliability and real simplicity in your workflow. But then, that's more a factor of the OS and software than the hardware itself--unless you get one of those sub-Generic brands.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[yes, they did replace them]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Dell sent replacement mobos any time I contacted them with the capacitor problem. They did this a few years after the warranty was out on a couple of them. I would almost imagine they still would replace one, if you had a real need for that vintage of PS and hardware...On the other hand, HP would not replace laptops that burned up in well under a year, within warranty, even though they knew they were putting faulty graphics processors in the units. They saw that it would be a huge loss to honor the warranty so they just denied replacement and clammed up.The bad publicity was apparently cheaper than fixing all that hardware.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:59:11 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[does your source sell the the public?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[That sounds like a great source! Is this a publicly available operation? Or is it just an insider who has access to the sale when the company dumps them?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:51:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[you're lucky]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The ability to build your own competitively died years ago in my location. There's maybe two shops within 50 miles that'll build one for you if you want, but that's usually for high end stuff, specific tasks that require some hardware but can exclude other unneeded hardware that would usually come with an off the shelf model.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:48:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[goes to show...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Manufacturers are not as consistent on average as we'd hope they would be.My experience is the exact opposite. For heavier equipment I've had good luck with HP, much better overall than Dell. I agree Dell support is better, but I seem to have used it more than I've had to call HP support. Support is important, but it's more important to not have to use it in the first place. As for HP laptops... don't get me started. Generally, they're OK on the feature side, plenty of USB ports, excellent displays etc. But I've had serious overheating problems with a few. Terrible battery life is common. I've seen more &quot;just plain died&quot; scenarios on HPs, noticeably more with than any other brand.I mention above that I started recommending ASUS, and so far not one of them, desktop, server or laptop/notebook has come back with any hardware or operational issues.I had to use support once, ironically with my own personal server, which turned out to be a problem with the shipper. But ASUS was prepared to 'make me whole' if the shipper was going to try to wiggle out of responsibility.ASUS support actually contacted me, first to tell me the above (they'd replace and try to go after the shipper, rather than make me chase the matter down) and second to confirm a message I'd left that the shipper was going to replace the hardware. They wanted to make sure that I was telling them to NOT send me the replacement on their nickel.I can't recall HP or Dell ever getting back to me, initiating a call.I know a lot of folks who've done OK with Acer laptops. They are 'cheap,' usually under powered and they skimp on things eg having only one USB hub with only 2 ports, little else in external connectivity and less than optimal display quality.But these people are happy to have any portable computing, the price of Acer is it's biggest advantage. But despite being rather fragile the people I know using Acers haven't had any physical problems with them. And they haven't burned themselves up or otherwise just mysteriously gone silent like the HPs frequently do.I'm typing this on my own HP laptop. Just yesterday I ran a huge full system backup of this thing. It's autumn here and getting cooler, yet the machine overheated and locked up.I usually put this thing on a stool, parked in front of a 19 inch box fan set on high whenever I do heavy work like the backup or running some remote audit. It's the only way to prevent a thermal shut down. My wife's Compaq and my older Dell can do the same work and never overheat. You can see that HP hasn't supplied enough airflow through this thing, it has one postage stamp sized vent for CPU cooling, and it's easily obstructed, being on the bottom of the laptop.Bad design. Then remember all the people that got robbed blind when HP refused to replace motherboard that fried due to a known thermal problem with the GPU... I know a few people that you don't want to reopen that discussion with to this day.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:45:33 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[That may have been the case in the past,]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[But is no longer true. You can use either for anything. PCs do graphics, audio, and video quite well. Though this task was once performed with greater efficiency on a Mac in the past, with the rise of better graphics cards, faster processors, and the like, the PC is on par with its rival.  The same holds true with word processing, and other mundane tasks.  Today, there is much more software for the Mac than there ever has been. Applications are essentially no different in look and feel on one platform than another.  This leaves the decision of office computers not so much what platform will do the job, but what platform will you prefer.  This is where factors like reliability come in.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Roc Riz]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:25:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I prefer ASUS]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[HP has been nothing but trouble for me, my own machines and those of my clients. I switched to ASUS and recommend them now, it's been rock solid hardware so far.A lot of my clients don't consult me on purchases, most of them buy the 'deal of the day' from Dell. As a result, they have a totally non-standardized mix of hardware, some machines obviously don't perform as well as others, and most often we have to deal with windows &quot;home&quot; licensing one way or another. (thank goodness 'any time upgrade' works as well as it does)]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:22:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The Generic PC]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[For quite a long time the Generic PC is exactly that: a PC. Not an Apple. Apple computers are a fine thing, but for specialized use only. Do a lot of graphic work ? Pick Apple. If you need a computer you pick a PC. Brand may have meant something a long time ago, but not any longer. Generic PCs, generic drugs, they're all one and the same. The only criteria is: does it do the job, do their services fit the need.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:14:19 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[A Friend Help Me Answer This One ... sort of.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[A computer lover/geek co-worker brought up the subject about HP thinking about not making computers any more - another co-worker said she would not be worried.  There were other companys from where she get a new computer.  She said she would get it from Compaq.  The computer guy and I looked at each other, then at her and had to laugh.Then we explained.  (And no, she isn't blond.) But she did know of other Brand names ... Dell, Acer, and Apple.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:09:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Where to buy?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Its all about the service when purchasing and afterwards if need be!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[by.gad@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:55:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How do you do that...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[... when you're at the store looking at PCs? How do you determine the quality and design of one box is any better than any other sitting in the same row with a different brand name--or even the same?Do you look at specs? Half the people buying computers have no idea what those figures mean. Add to this a salesperson who may be paid to up-sell and you have nothing but confusion in the buyer's mind.Do you look at toughness of the case? Physical beauty? Maybe just the way it glows? How are these going to tell you the quality of what's inside? I will admit than in the case of a laptop, one that feels more rigid in the hand is more likely to be higher quality, but if that laptop is never moved from the desk, maybe the flimsy shell hides superior internals. Then again, maybe not.So just how do you tell quality and design by just looking? Maybe that brand name is more important than you think.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Vulpinemac]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:18:11 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[This has not been my experience on both consumer or enterprise pc's]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I have always had good luck with Dells.Many of them at work and home are still in use and running fine after six years. I have very little experience with HP's outside of the server room. Inside of the sever room, they are top performers.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JJFitz]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:26:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[While I don't disagree with your sentiment...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[... I believe quite honestly that despite being the #1 PC seller the very low profits from such makes it very marginal as a division; their profits from enterprise servers and support are far higher. The problem is that HP can't do what Apple is doing because they're stuck in the commodity PC market which means they'll lose sales if they up the quality and price of their computers. Dropping the sub-$800 machines means they would simply give that part of the market to Dell, driving Dell to #1. Better to abandon that market entirely and concentrate on the enterprise market and leave the junk sales to the junk makers. That said, Toshiba seems to be making a strong move towards the top with decent-quality PCs which has put them to #4 behind Apple and now #3 once HP's hardware is sold out.Fire the CEO? Certainly--he's made too many mistakes across the board; he doesn't have the vision needed for a proper computer company. You can't be reactive, you must be pro-active to stay out front and HP hasn't done that for years.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Vulpinemac]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:11:54 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What to look for?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Whenever you buy a PC look for quality and design, the name of the product is less important its just that people have less time to decide what they really need so they choose to go with a trusted brand.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[KINGDRILL]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:21:24 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[that is a good point]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Apple also has a tighter control on sales and distribution. Direct sales from their own stores probably helps the bottom line.I wouldn't say that Microsoft has very strict QC on their Xboxes. The design is a bit cheesy and I fried the motherboard on mine in less than a year. They sent a replacement rather quickly though. Then again, what should I expect for $199?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:16:44 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Fire the CEO!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[HP's board needs to quickly fire Leo Apotheker! He's running the company into the ground. I guess I can see the reason for cutting the Touchpad, but the entire WebOS operating system AND the consumer PC business???? HP is the #1 seller of personal computers in the WORLD! Why in the world would you cut off a profitable segment of your business? Plus, consumer PCs are a big chunk of HP's business. Apotheker must be an imposter. I'd investigate to see if he's not being paid off by Dell, Apple, etc  to put HP out of business because these moves are simply outrageous]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[piratesmvp04]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:19:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Cloud , Thin Client, Terminal Services, Time Sharing . . .]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[you name it,it's all the same slow junkthere's a &quot;joke&quot; around here (that's not so much a joke as a problem)I can save a file to a USB stick or SD-Card,drive the 10 miles to the office,boot my system,put the file there,and drive back home,faster than I can send it to any &quot;cloud&quot; providergood grieffloppy controllers are faster than the internet]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Who Am I Really]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:37:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Apple does design most of its hardware.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Apple doesn't just design pretty boxes, they design the circuitry that goes into those pretty boxes. They also specify the tolerances of the components that go into that circuitry. That said, they don't design everything. They tend to use the best they can find for things like hard drives (rather than cheap, off-the-shelf versions) and contract things like video cards. I know a lot of people say Apple does it just to tie you into their service, but more importantly it's to build the most reliable machine they can. Even Windows runs better on a Mac than on most cheaper non-Apple machines.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Vulpinemac]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:35:25 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Save a bundle on diagnosing]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Brand computers have issues all the time with stability and questionable parts.  Buying all retail-grade components usually comes with 3-5 year warranties on most parts, and lifetime-limited on things like memory and some video cards.If you bought the parts in bulk and used imaging (which is easily done with Windows 7), it wouldn't take very long to do a single computer.  You also wouldn't have to deal with the BS that brands like HP use, such as &quot;tattooing,&quot; which renders the computer useless if you replace some parts in it with new ones not bought directly from HP (hard drive, mother board, etc.).  No need to have an HP tech service it, no need to wait for special 'branded' parts to replace the problem component.And the number one reason: No crap to remove on a DIY machine!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ps2goat]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:15:02 -0700</pubDate>
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