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Steve Jobs resigns as Apple CEO, Tim Cook takes the reins

... of remarkable leadership. This is a much bigger deal IMO than when Gates stepped down.

I also suspect it is not a particularly good sign from a health perspective. Sometimes when you are so critcally ill, a purpose you feel passionate about keeps you upright - gives you something you are good at when your body and medical treatment may fail you. He always said that when the day came, he would step down. I fear for him, Chip.

The guy had vision and enough passion, drive and persistance to make it so. I admire that. And perhaps he is connecting the dots (as he so eloquently said in his much criticised speech to Stanford Uni freshmen) in a more spiritual way to know that it has been enough. As the farmer said to the piglet in the movie Babe - That'll do, Pig.

To live, love, learn and leave a legacy. Apple will continue, leadership builds culture and attitude, the heart and soul of an organisation.

To accept his decision and leave him in peace to do what is required to deal with his health issues.

Unfortunately that's unlikely to happen with the way that the Chooks Behave that comprise the Media, as they all believe that they have a God Given Right to trample on whoever to get their so called Story.

It's something that anyone who has bothered looking even once in the past few months could fail to see coming, of course that leaves the Mass Media out as they are mostly idiots who follow the Old Adage Never Let the Truth Get in the Road of a Good Story and Monkey does as Monkey sees.

Personally I'll not be surprised to see in the Morning Newspapers Apple Broke filing for Section 12 Bankruptcy as a result of Jobs resigning. Silly of course but then again who ever accused the Media of having any brains.

Col

What the media say? I've been ignoring them for years now. If others take it seriously, that's their problem.

But life gets downright nasty when you have a bunch of what are effectively Homeless People camping on your driveway with their Companies Equipment all trying to get a better story than the others there.

What passes for Law goes out the Window when a bunch of Rabid News People start competing with their cohorts to do what they want. Sure there are supposed to be Laws to control them but the reality is that No Police Officer is going to enforce those laws when they will be Publicly Humiliated and Castigated for preventing the Press from doing their job.

Besides if nothing else happens it's going to _Pi$$ Off Job's neighbors with that crowd taking up residence on the "Pubic" street.

Col

The announcement lead to a predictable fall of Apple stock, but it will rebound as people understand Jobs is still Chairman of the Board. I imagine his vision will still guide Apple for a time. The real question is, "Who is Tim Cook"? Does this guy have the vision and skill to carry Apple forward after Jobs steps down completely?

The other big question is, "How long will Apple hold sway over the art community?" Their rising popularity in China notwithstanding I'm not sure what this announcement will mean to Macintosh. I wouldn't be surprised if down the road Apple followed HP's move and paired out the Mac side of the company in favor of further developing iPod and iPad and the accompanying software and service.

Only the guy chosen by Jobs to succeed him so at a guess he has the qualities required to do the job.

I'm naturally supposing that Jobs wants Apple to continue to go the way that it is but that's just an Assumption. It's perfectly possible that Jobs wants Apples to self destruct and fall to bits after he leaves just so he can say I told you so.

However after he returned to resurrect the company from the Chosen People to run it after they dumped him I don't think that is overly likely.

Col

Cook will almost destroy the company, then Steve will come back and save it again.

The "third coming" perhaps? What a hero.

Why do you think Cook will destroy the company? any real, solid reason?
Also Steve Jobs aint gonna be around forever, "third coming"... albeit when he is sixty or sumn. Don't worry Steve is respected and his advice will count for sumn.

So the real question is if Tim Cook has a different vision of Apple that he may implement or if he will continue in a fashion similar to Steve's? I do not think anyone can say for sure at this stage. Obviously Tim has been with Apple long enough to establish himself as a true Apple fan. I certainly think the commitment will be there. The real question is how will the media and consumers react to a non Steve new product event. Will it still inspire the same interest or will Apple be like any other company?

Tim Cook is the man who has been running Apple on a day to day basis for the last several years. Jobs has been out for extended periods of time the whole time. His health issues haven't been a secret.

This is just one step further on the same road. Now, Mr. Cook goes from chief Operations Officer to Chief Executive Officer, and he still reports to Steve Jobs, as Jobs is now the Chairman of the Board. Nothing has changed except the titles. But, it is an indication that Steve Jobs health is a concern.

I wish him well.

It's my cynical take on events.

I have no reason to believe with any certainty that he will or will not.

Jobs has almost 13 years of working with Cook at Apple. Cook came in as an engineer, not as a college-bred CEO. Cook has also spent that 13 years confirming and expanding upon Job's concepts. In a word, when Jobs said, "Fix it," Cook fixed it. I see more growth and continued vision for Apple for at least another 10-15 years as Cook follows Job's dreams and carries Apple into the new age of personal computing.

His health issue is kinda disturbing. But a new CEO means that a new person makes decisions. I wonder if Jobs will still deliver keynotes. I dont think the Chairman of the Board has any control or real say over the CEO

I could still remember the first Logo program I wrote to get that turtle run around the screen on my first Apple II. Its been so many years the technology has evolved and a legend like that will be surely be missed. I will not compare him with Gates, but both individuals have been the person I grow up with and played an inspirational part to why I entered into the field of technology consulting in the first place. Seeing technology at work has been cool.

It may not happen overnight but you cannot discredit the amount of passion Steve brought to Apple to help bring it out of failure. Are their still excellent engineers,designers and such at Apple. Of course. But when a new product was introduced, who was it that presented it?
Who was it that every one waited for to tell us about it? Who was it that sold us as consumers about the new product? Apple clearly has a big void in its companies vision now that Steve is not at the helm.

As a Microsoft person I would be lying if I say I wasn???t upset that he was leaving. Yet, every great leader has their best enemy. Luke/Vader comes to mind (being a true computer geek lol) Now people will argue over who is Luke and who is Vader, but I have always like Microsoft being the Empire and Gates being Vader. That???s just the geek in me. lol But I digress. With Steve Jobs out of the picture, per se, Microsoft people won???t have a lightning rod to focus our attention on. Secretly we do hope Cooks run the company into the ground, but through competition we get better technology. Where would graphics be without the ATI/Nvidia fight. Where would processors be without the Intel/AMD fight. So while in a way I???m gladden that one ???leader??? is leaving the battlefield, I???m also sadden that a great warrior has left.

Well I think Apple will still be the leader in Electronics even after Jobs leave. Jobs is not Steve but Steve will not leave forever. I do not think Apple is a one man company. That said, there is a possibility that the Company may nose-dive if Jobs is not up to scratch.

Some of the comments expressing concern for his health are very touching. What a great person he must be for people to feel this way about him. We wish him well.

Credit must be given where its due. Mr. Jobs has done a very good job. Mr. Cook surely have his ideas but it will take sometime for him to settle into the hot seat. I wish him luck. As long as you keep pleasing us users you'll have our support. Just don't do a HP on us...

Well hopefully.
Not that I want him to die or anything, but evil Apple corp needs to fall back down.

Its somewhat ironic that the 1984 ad is about how brave little Apple is going to take on evil IBM, and now Apple is being accused of being evil.

You may or may not like what they are selling, but millions do. You may see more value in other products, but millions are voting with their wallets.

They are a huge success, and furthermore, they have come back from the brink of failure. You may say its because of marketing, you may be right, but that part of selling products these days. Jobs can take credit for pushing the company into new areas and getting product to market first.

Having said that, I am sure that Apple will survive his departure, he will still be on the board, just less hands on.

People prefer communism.
Apple may be the Dr Evil of evil empires, but they are still evil. They attack both friends and allies, they even attack their own customers. They are even willing to kill to save a buck, just check their factory suicide rates... Apple is anti freedom, and anti choice. They brainwash children with their advertisements (and apparently child-like adults...).
Does Apple even have any charities (I don't have time to search) because I never hear of them, they certainly never seem to try and look like a good company.

Back away from the bar for a minute....

Back when Apple was the underdog, Apple was often attacked by IBM and Microsoft, and not always in fair manner. Microsoft made money from Apple loyalists, but made sure that their products came out on Apple many months after they came out on Windows, even though the port was ready at the same time.

Apple wants to make a buck, but no one is putting a gun to your head to buy an Apple product. They are capitalists, not communists.

As for charities, Apple has been supporting education by charitable donation as long as they have been operating. Many schools that run Macs have them donated.

As for the manufacturing, those plants aren't owned by Apple, and those same suppliers build for other manufacturers like Lenovo and Dell.

Brainwashing? Please. Thats just absurd.

You wanna talk about attacking your own customers? Let talk about Microsoft Bob....

I hate everyone equally. I don't discriminate.

I just point out that MS has done a lot more "evil" behaviour than Apple has done. Just google Microsoft and Lawsuit.

You dont stop being evil just because someone else is evil. Was the guy that killed those people in Oslo more or less or not at all evil, than stallin or hitler?

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are going to sneak into your room one night and tickle you till you wet yourself and your bed then take pictuers and post them on Facebook. I read this on Google so it must be true. :P

IBM senior executives were filmed dancing on stage at a conference throwing darts at pictures of EDS execs. Your statements to me sound like a somewhat immature mind that needs to get some life under his or her belt (suspect his). This is not a movie, Steve Jobs is not Dr Evil, Google is not plotting to take over the world and give everyone purple hair, Facebook will not be instaling cameras in your bathroom to film you taking a leak.

Take a step back and consider that corporations consist of people that come into work to do the best they can do based on a vision. The best charity is anonymous. And the best person is the one that does not judge based on a narrow frame of reference, but offers constructive feedback, not absolute statements that close off real dialogue.

In your own words, one does not cease to be somewhat silly and childish just because someone is taking your bait.

stories here and other IT forums about how predatory Apple has become; it isn't like it has been a secret. Right now, I consider them worse than Microsoft in that department.

There are conflicting goals in any company.

On one hand, you just want everyone to use your product. On the other, you have to price it high enough to turn a profit, taking it out of the reach of some.

An artist would like everyone to see/hear his/her art, but can't survive on praise.

I'm sure engineers love seeing other companies making use of their brainchild -- whatever method or technology or UI element that may be. But the lawyers will fight to ensure someone else doesn't profit off the creativity, research & development expenses, etc., that its own employees and shareholders have invested in. They just have to. If they don't, they will literally lose their right to that intellectual property. That's screwed up, but they're our laws -- not Apple's.

I'm not trying to be an apologist. Apple has done some shady stuff. And they could certainly treat their third-party developers better. But, let's be honest here. While I would love them to open their products up to the world, I know that if they took the iPhone into Android territory, or stopped making computers and ran Mac OS on any crap box that Company X is willing to sell for $399 (with a mail-in rebate), the quality bar would drop. Not just a little, a lot.

Would anyone buy a Mac Pro if they could run the OS on a Dell Inspiron? Not enough to recoup the volume, no. It's a shame, because most companies are trying to meet such a low price point that the quality is just not there. That's our fault. We asked for it with our purchase decisions.

But I digress.

Look, closed ecosystems have their advantages. I hate it, but they do. You can't deny that.

And, if they went all altruistic and just ignored the patent system, someone would be claiming their own "rights". You attack first, or you get attacked. That's the system.

Apple is especially egregious right now because they're a huge target (read: successful.) Everyone would LOVE to be able to prove that they came up with such-and-such, and therefore, Apple must pay them royalties from now until oblivion. Unless, of course, Apple claims those innovations first. It's happened to Google enough that you can't say it isn't so.

As they say, don't hate the player. Hate the game.

which is to build more units so the price can go down and allow more of the masses to enjoy the fruits of capitalism. They would make more money dropping the prices just a little bit more, but then they would not look exclusive enough. Jobs was smart enough to sell snobbery, and that is the bottom line at Apple. I like Apple's line of products, I just can't stomach their business model.

You can't criticize their ability to make money, though. No problem there! Sell everything high dollar, and within the snob gated community. No wonder there is so much hate against the rich in our politics. Not that I excuse that either!

... which was to build quality products that made people want to come back for more. Just as Sears' Craftsman encouraged users to buy more Sears products for their quality, Apple is encouraging more purchases through their usability as well as quality. Remember, at its low point in 1996, Apple only sold some 700 thousand computers in the entire year; Apple now sells ten times that many in only three months.

I would like to express my thanks for Mr. Job's excellent visions and leadership which have risen Apple up and made its platform the best in the world. It is quite extraordinary result achieved by a single company. Under his leadership Apple become a synonym for high-level innovations which changed the ICT world...

just where he chooses to make decisions from
So he has someone taking the every day tasks, Still his company and will still be run as Steve Jobs wants it until he dies, His visions, etc.
Apple has had it's good times and bad. Nothing new just brought to market faster and sometimes better than others. Brilliant from a business standpoint, trap everyone into having to go back to you for anything related to their products. I however do not like being forced into using proprietary and only one way to download tunes for a playback device, apps for a tablet, etc. Good devices but no worth the premium.
I think too much a controlling person, then again I guess am too when it comes to my business, rest assured, as long as he is breathing Apple is still going to be run by Steve no matter who he has working under him.

Everyone thinks he is leaving Apple ?
He was a god, Excellent leader ?
Nothing has changed, just where he chooses to make decisions from
So he has someone taking the every day tasks, Still his company and will still be run as Steve Jobs wants it until he dies, His visions, etc.
Apple has had it's good times and bad. Nothing new just brought to market faster and sometimes better than others. Brilliant from a business standpoint, trap everyone into having to go back to you for anything related to their products. I however do not like being forced into using proprietary and only one way to download tunes for a playback device, apps for a tablet, etc. Good devices but no worth the premium.
I think too much a controlling person, then again I guess am too when it comes to my business, rest assured, as long as he is breathing Apple is still going to be run by Steve no matter who he has working under him.

Change is good, i think the new CEO surely has new ideas so let the old leave and see what the future has for APPLE.

For all the good they've done in creating a PC industry, Jobs and Gates did as much damage by sticking with antiquated platforms for far too long. the x86 chipset and its latest incarnation AKA multi-core x64 is a blind alley. Adding speed and memory to flawed architectures has produced many generations of unsecurable PC OSs running on hardware that is intrinsically insecure. Having software control its own security is an absurd notion that should have been discarded by the early 1990's.

The lessons of Jobs and Gates - that you can sell the same people multiple generations of cr*p by promoting it as new and improved hasn't been lost on the exploiters of Android and Linux incredibly stupid phones. Their legacy will be around for a few more years, until a handful of Chinese government hackers being the world to its senses by compromising the world's banking systems, wireless communication systems, the utility grids and the launch control systems of a middle eastern country.

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