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        <title><![CDATA[Whatever...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I gues for most of you it's hard to imagine that this is the stoneage of computing. We'll soon be over the whole OS concept and networking issues and so on. Even over the whole computer concept. Think about what planes used to be in 1915 and then compare them to a F-22 or a Space Shuttle. And keep in mind that the development pace of computers is several times faster than that of aircraft. So... you're just being silly and talking nonsense. Reminds me of printing plant managers back in the 1970's who said that lead letters will always be the core of the printing plant. And what do you know? We're close to having no printing plants at all!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Kostaghus]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:16:14 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[you found my achilles heel]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I ALWAYS spell that word wrong! And yes, I voted you down 1!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[todd_dsm]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:21:55 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Better off without ANY mega corporations]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The fact that big pockets can BUY legislation is the real problem.  If Government officials and elected officials weren't for sale there wouldn't be a problem with mega companies.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[IanGuyer]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:38:15 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How quickly you forgot]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Microsoft did not bring computing to the masses, it came along for the ride.Yeah? And what happened when IBM tried to ditch Microsoft with their OS/2?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tiengow]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:42:09 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Life without Microsoft]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Absurd!  Microsoft is the standard!  They stepped up to the plate when everone else was stubbling around.  Open software? Also absurd!  The major user of standard software has no use for modifiying either OS or supportive software.  This is a business not a hobby! Though Microsoft has stubbled, who is out there that will take up the reigns and move the industry forward?  Where is the next major inovation coming from?  You Microsoft bashers would have to manufacture a replacement to second guess.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Hal Taback]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 07:32:32 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[no matter what...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[@j-mccurdy Try to stay on point, focus on the subject - forget about, grammar, syntax, or your interpretation of how to properly mis-spell latin words. Every time you do this your essentially talking without a point; this is something 13 year old girls do.  Get the OCD under control.Squirrel !@Spitfire_SysopReally? You wanna put the virus discussion on the table? Given the gajillions of viruses, malware, etc. on the Windows platform. And the 1 single option for attackers on the Linux platform? Are you SURE you wanna do this? Linux-1 / Win-32,243,938,014,264,507,933 - Really?You couldn't possibly take that to the platform; this is a newbie problem. I could ask my neighbors dog to come up with better security security policy stronger than the conditions you are alluding to. The dog would keep the rootkits out.If you wanna trash the whole platform because someone uses the word 'password' for a password then I guess you could; that's more a measure of your reasoning than the strength or weakness of the platform.Now stop wasting everyone's time. I gotta go get the blood off my knuckles now.T out-]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[todd_dsm]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 07:23:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[And something tells me that]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Steve won't be coming back this time..........]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark.fancourt@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 06:42:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agree with that, but]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[As I had mentioned, what is the use of a great piece of hardware without a piece of software that makes it easy for people to use. I don't really have the time to spend on it, but I suspect that with the introduction of a true graphical user interface, things sort of 'took off' in terms of the average user being able to adopt a new computer and applications much easier than the uneducated could with DOS or any other command line type interface which required more than a point and click level of knowledge or experience. That was the meaning in my message - that the concept of Windows changed a whole lot of things regardless of questions about reliability and stability. As far as 'stealing' is concerned I can't comment on that other than to say that everything is for sale and if they happened to either invest in product or people that allowed them to steal the march then I say, well done. That's what business is all about at the end of the day - competitive advantage and differentiation. Also what allows many of us to have a job and the luxury to comment on this nonsense!]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 06:38:44 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE; Not the only game in town]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I would say, you been a loyal customer since 3.1, you should have checked for the problem. Its, this problem cannot be blamed against the whole company right? When you ought to solve some of our car components or household stuffs, do you sell the whole house of yours, or car and try get another one? hmmmm.. i respect your problem but just put forth my opinion.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:17:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Wow]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You realize Windows is impervious to Linux and Apple viral code too? What the hell is your point? The rootkit was invented and used against Linux machines first. You can tell because the virus uses &quot;root access&quot; to hide in the OS otherwise it might be called an &quot;AdminKit&quot; but that just sounds stupid.Viral code exists everywhere. Computers are all vulnerable. I don't believe in a secure computer system.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:10:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[you talk about false premises???]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[@daboochmeister&quot;Of course not, no more than it's a bad thing that Japanese car companies out-innovated and out-&quot;qualitied&quot; American ones&quot;It's sad when someone who obviously knows nothing about a subject makes a comment like this. The reason the Japanese were able to 'out-innovated and out-&quot;qualitied&quot; [sic], is because of our Federal, State and Local Governments giving the Japanese an import tax break on shipments here and tax incentives to build plants here. The Japanese also built plants in non-union areas or got breaks from the unions. With these good things and the fact they had no American retirees to support, they could sell the cars cheaper and still make more money which they used for R&amp;D to make their cars more attactive.In general, i would like to compliment Debra Littlejohn Shinder for stirring the pot and getting the fan boys (and girls) all in a tizzy. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Cabo Wabo Addict]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:36:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agree'ish Puppets]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is why we have open debates: so we can all learn from one another. Bash programming is the lowest-level scripting language on the Linux platform, this is a given. Perl and vbscript would be direct competitors. Perl being the most flexible of all standardized languages changes nothing. You could still use the same line in Perl as in bash, because you are simply using commands like rm from one language or the other (bash, perl, python, etc).The only reason there is a PERL is that some people thought it would be easier to access the functionality of a few critical programs (sed and awk) from a single interface. For the sake of full disclosure, PERL does a better job where awk is concerned (generating reports) but still cannot replace sed on the command line. PERL also goes places where bash has no intention of going; it can dig through databases, and can also make calls to C libraries. On the other hand, vbscript is taking a huge leap into the NEW guts of the system for administration purposes using the Windows Scripting Host and Windows Management Interface so you, the scriptwriter, can access the CIMv2 space on any system.The CIMv2 space, within every Windows OS, is a remarkably powerful and necessary step for the Windows platform. It's due mainly to the advent of change from NT4 style Windows to Win2000 (and above) that are Microsoft's attempt to 'modernize' their OS.Why modernize the OS? Because, as it was originally envisioned, it was not scalable (due to its inherent un-manageability) in its current NT4 form. Microsoft knew it and they made the change - kudos. The size of this unmanageable state IS the same size of the swamp of a foundation the Windows OS is built on. Thus the band-aid that Microsoft applied was HUGE. An OS redesign would have been the right step here. The difference is that Linux did not have to go through a similar change. Its original design was based on an OS (UNIX) that was 20 years old before Bill ever wrote his first lines of code for Microsoft. It had a great deal of refinement built-in to the OS from the starting blocks.What changes did Linux have to make, as a result, to answer the the ever-changing needs of the market? Only minor (but meaningful) updates to the native scripting language BASH; as the platform in general is a nearly perfect design. A grand over-haul was not necessary as it was on the Windows platform.It's a matter of design. Proper design practices dictate a few common rules:1) Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.2) Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take awayOn Linux, all configuration is stored in simple ASCII text files. The Windows Registry is the equivalent and it's the farthest thing from Simple there is. Text files rarely, if ever, get corrupted; registry hives, on the other hand, are corrupted by many outside factors. Software, viruses, MS-platform bugs, and early HDD 'sputters' that precede failure.Where the registry is not concerned, you have more glorious problems that need attending, let's say LDAP or AD management. You are forced to use vbscript if you want to add 100's of users at one time; the process is more convoluted and painful than necessary when you see the final script; as opposed to what is necessary on Linux, which is to write a few lines to a script, kick it off, and go make a sandwich. It's just not necessary for Bash to go through the variant changes that your scripting has to go through; nor, to get as far away from simplicity as possible to achieve a similar, albeit more stable, result.@aikiwolfie Com'on man, C is the language used to make programs like rm, grep, awk, and sed. They have nothing to do with this conversation.The end result is, that you have to try both, otherwise your opinion is less valid and bias by it's very nature. Once you make the conscious decision to give it a meaningful chance a few things will happen.1) You will do a lot of reading.2) You will become very frustrated3) You will eventually setup systems that will not fail.4) You will spend your days on a golf course, boat, or your girl friend5) You will NOT be worried about your technology7) You will NOT ever get called into the bosses office because something went down, and6) You will NOT pay anything for itI put in 11 years with Windows and 3 years with Linux. Trust me, it's sunnier on this side of the street. How do you think an OS, that is minimally funded by it's users, has grown from a seed to a major thorn in Microsoft's side, in 20 years - with no marketing? Because it works Why are all the major companies contributing development time to it?http://techcrunch.com/2009/08/21/linux-is-big-business/Most importantly - why is Microsoft contributing code to the Linux kernel?http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/072009-microsoft-linux-source-code.html?ap1=rcbI won't answer these questions for you. Dig deep and give them meaningful consideration. Answer these questions for yourselves. Then, just try it...I would suggest either Fedora or Linux Mint. Case closed - I'm going golfing (and it's only 11:30AM)!]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 09:26:16 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[RE not much of a technician are you?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[How much of a technician are you? You can't even spell, the plural for virus is not viri it's &quot;viruses&quot;. Viri is just a fake word some goofballs made up to try and sound smart. Well it sounds just the opposite, &quot;viri&quot; ha ha ha.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:56:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[re: Missing the point]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[If you *require* Wine in Linux, then (as a company, at the very least, and probably as an individual, as well) you should be running Windows.If you're going to run Linux (and I do), you should be prepared to use alternative, *native* apps.Wine is a good project, but I don't think it should be a long term solution.  It should be transitory, or used for apps that might be &quot;nice to have&quot;, but not *required*,]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jos.paglia@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 05:44:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How would it happen?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[No one can really say. Personally, I would tend to agree with you.Imagine if it came to a worst case scenario, that Microsoft disappears overnight. I hate to imagine the fallout of that.If you look at the past, in the majority of cases, empires have slowly been replaced.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Solarian]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:56:57 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[No you can't]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Wikipedia is your sole source?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[msallese11@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:30:34 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How quickly we forget]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is not Steve Jobs first departure from Apple.  He did it in the late 1980's or early 1990's and the company took a big hit.  The Board of Directors went to him, bought his company at that time (Next Computers) and hired him back.  Companies with a single dominant leader have problems when there is a void.  Chrysler without Lee Iacocca, Microsoft without Bill Gates and Apple without Steve Jobs.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[msallese11@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:27:28 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Better off without ANY mega corporations]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[@gharlow:Be careful or you may awaken the Apple army who will excoriate you for even imagining a time without Apple.Microsoft investedc a sizeable sum in Apple years ago in the period between Jobs.  I wonder what that is worth today?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:22:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I agree-ish.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I agree that comparing command line commands to VBscript is stupid. It's apples and oranges. However what is true is that the Linux command shell is more like a high level programming language than the Windows DOS Prompt. In fact the syntax for most Linux command shells (there are many) is generally based on C. In that respect the Linux and Windows command shells just aren't comparable. But then again, for years now Microsoft's policy has been to obfuscate the power of the command shell and push techs to GUI's. Only recently reversing that decision because headless servers don't need a GUI and Microsoft really wants to compete in the server market.I just won't survive as an OS vendor if it can't.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[aikiwolfie]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 11:21:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've set up networks that would cause you to cry, nerdling. But, I'll give you an example just to properly shut you down. An unnamed school district needs a network face-lift, my friend gets a call, he calls me and 3 others.The job: to take them from a half ad-hoc peer-to-peer network and half crappy AD structure to a proper directory structure with bullet-proof network security. Constraint: use as much existing hardware and software as possible. Crap, we will have to use AD again, oh well.1) Verify WAN links are up for all 5 buildings with some cursory security; scripted: in 30 minutes - with programmatic precision.2) Scan the entire network, over VPN connections, for all hosts dumping 1,500 nodes into a csv file with ip's, host names, mac addresses, and OS with version; scripted: done in under 4 minutes - with programmatic precision.3) Standardized new admin user names and passwords for all local mac and windows computer accounts; scripted: done in under 30 minutes. Sent a team to manually change non-standardized accounts; stragglers identified via programmatic precision.4) Dump all email accounts from (some off-brand) email server; scripted: done in under 10 minutes - with programmatic precision.5) Dump all Active Directory accounts from poor AD implementation with vbscript, wmi, and wsh; scripted: done in under 30 minutes - with programmatic precision.6) Use Perl to fix poor AD user structure in ldifde file; scripted: done in under 1 hour - with programmatic precision.7) Build Linux Security boundary (firewalls) for all 5 buildings. Auto-installed and configured at our offices; scripted: each done in around 30 minutes - with programmatic precision. And delivered.8) Rebuild a proper AD structure on new box. Re-inject user accounts from ldifde file; scripted: done in approx 2 hours - with programmatic precision. 9) Re-add all Mac and Windows PC's to AD; scripted: done in under 1 hour - with programmatic precision. Sent a team to manually add remaining stragglers identified via programmatic precision.10) Had a team manually add and share all network printers via group policy. Used vbscript, wmi, and wsh to add them back to the correct machines with the correct drivers for the applicable OS's; scripted: done in under 4 hours - with programmatic precision.11) Spent another 2 hours running various scripts both internally and externally (from a Starbucks) to verify basic network security. Scripts checked for over 1,200 known network flaws. Since we replaced their proprietary firewalls with our custom Linux firewall, for all 5 buildings, these flaws were built OUT of their network.12) Auto-built Zimbra server (in our office) and delivered; scripted: done in approx 1.5 hours - with programmatic precision. Pointed Zimbra at AD to auth and find user accounts. 13) Sent team to manually spot-check and &quot;meet and greet&quot; with skeleton staff to verify connectivity, login scripts (mapped drives) email access, and printer function. Which people to &quot;spot-check&quot;? - they were identified with scripting. A few servers &amp; 1,500 (mac/win) nodes done; billed the client for a 12 hour day and went home.The difference between what you think you're doing and what I actually do is the difference between computer work - and computer science.I get to create, and re-use scripts. Those scripts are beautiful for 3 reasons:1) I don't have to do my work more than once. Being that you promote the manual method - you do. I can write them for 1 job and use them for the rest of my life, improving them along the way.2) They are light years faster than the manual method.3) When I'm done, everything is consistent: ip schemes, host names, AD structures, every billable thing you can think of.When you can move this fast, Junior - THEN you can talk. Until that happens, your at the children's  table.And, since you spoke out of turn, I may opt to wrap up all of my scripts and send them to a local IT shop in your area. Then you can think about how powerful the command line is from the unemployment line.It's fortunate for the both of us that I'm a greedy capitalist.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:53:04 -0700</pubDate>
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