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        <title><![CDATA[Not A Problem]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Your concern is not a problem..Net is Microsoft's version of Java. The entire Visual XXX world is an attempt to make a drag and drop programming environment. But, .Net is already obsolete, and the Visual paradigms do not produce quality programs. Microsoft is already moving beyond .Net for the future. JavaScript is replacing Java for the forward looking developers. That is because it runs in a browser, and doesn't need a full VM with all the overhead that requires. Java and .Net also increase your security exposure surface.Linux continues to support almost everything. That is why it dominates in the server space. Microsoft holds on in the PC world only. It's really just a small part of the whole world, even a small part of just the computer world.Don't worry about World Domination, it happened almost a decade ago, and the Microsoft money machine people missed it. Let them continue in their chosen ignorance. The 'Desktop' didn't start with Microsoft, and it won't end with them either. The days of Microsoft dominance are over. So what? It doesn't mean the end of the world, or even the end of Microsoft. As long as there are laws to subvert, Microsoft will continue to make money. US Patent laws see to that. Right now, Microsoft makes more money from Android Phones than they do from Windows Phones. That means that right now, Linux is a major profit center for Microsoft. This is a profit center that is currently outselling Apples much hyped iPhones. So, in reality, away from the flame wars, Microsoft is just fine with Linux 'World Domination'. In reality, Microsoft is a sales organization, not a technology development organization. The future trends for software development will continue to be developed elsewhere and Microsoft will continue to sell them.Linux on the other hand is an attempt to implement the Unix model for computer operation. It continues to push forward the research movements that the original Unix systems started in the late 1960s, continuing a development push that began in the late 1950s.So, don't worry. Linux will continue. Microsoft will continue to find ways to profit. If you know enough to use Linux, use it. If you need to have your hand held, Microsoft will be glad to hold it, for a fee. If you want both, then Microsoft will even hold your hand while you use Linux. There is after all a Microsoft Linux, it's called SUSE. Microsoft sells more SUSE Linux than any other agent. It's been that way for more than just one year, too. The other trends you are worried about are really just Microsoft trying to stay on top in a rapidly shifting world. Expect that to continue.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[YetAnotherBob]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:41:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Stop Blaming Microsoft]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The problems with hardware incompatability with Linux is a problem between Linux and the manufacturers. Microsoft has nothing to do with these problems. You stated it quite clearly in the beginning of your statement. For 4% of the market share they will not jump through hoops. The fact that if they make a driver compatable with one instance of Linux will it be compatible with all instances. And since Linux is ever changing will they have to continually change the drivers to keep up. This would be a big investment for them. So who is going to pony up the cash to make it worth their time and effort. I have worked for a manufacturer who had to go through the process to determine feasability for designing compatability with Linux. All the studies we did came out with us losing money. Businesses are not going to work toward a losing conclusion. You complain about them not releasing their technical information. This always costs and I know that no one in the Linux distro market was willing to pay us for the information about our products. They felt that since they were providing their software &quot;free&quot; that we should be willing to provide our patented information free of charge also. Sorry, business isn't done that way. We worked with Microsoft and Apple who both had no problems paying to be able to have there products work with our products. So please, just cause you like Linux above the rest don't put the blame on anyone but the Linux manufacturers and the hardware manufacturers for these issues.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[bsauer@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:16:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It was a dirty play]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Actually, the dominance of M$ is due to its philosophy of get-embrace-destroy. If you remember, when Windows 3.1 touch the market there wasn't graphical office tools for Windows, only M$ had those tools and compatible with the competitors which give documentation to M$ to do the thing but not viceversa. Word star could have a graphical interface too late due to lack of time, and in technology, time to market is all. I think that was the reason because MS Office won the race, thanks of the M$ windows control. The same happened with .NET in the near future M$ will do all kind of software without real competence, because no-one can have the latest .NET technology and tis trend has already started (see visual dev tools, antivirus, integration software, etc.)]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:32:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Linux or hardware vendors?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Linux is not guilty of RTL8192 and other stuff doesn't work (on kernels before 3) but vendors, who are locked-in by windows dominance. And they don't have the intention to give drivers only for 4% of the market and the cost. But some of them don't want either to share technical information to other do the job. I think that is not fair pointed out the Linux as guilty but vendors and M$ indirectly for that.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:21:31 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's not about Marketing, it's about Monopoly]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Windows ' continued dominance is not due to superior marketing, it is due to Microsoft's monopolistic position in the industry .... specifically, it's leverage over the OEM community.MS was convicted under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act in 2001. But the court &quot;remedies&quot; applied did not affect their monopoly. Thus they enjoy a government-condoned monopoly today. As long as this situation continues they will dominate the desktop/laptop/notebook markets. Only when a new market opens up can they be displaced. And this is exactly what has happened in the tablet and smartphone spaces.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:17:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Marketers vs Engineers]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Much is made in this article about the evils of big business and its corporate marketing profit machine. Marketing is also highly successful in NotForProfit segments as well.&quot;Not without business behind it. Not without marketing and PR and power.&quot;The corporate environment doesnt own marketing strategy.The Linux community could easily replicate the success of corporate PR. The use of Social Network marketing has made this even easier and more credible for the Linux and Open Source Community.What is missing is a marketing collaboration that mirrors the technical network and contribution framework.The message to the market should be a coordinated voice that the user can easy navigate. This relates to product searching, app searching, basic commands, common shortcuts in the interface and even help with CLI commands and scripts. There is a lot of talent out there right now working independently and coming up with amazing developments. That work should be reflected in better marketing groups that represent and communicate these developments in a more holistic way. At the moment, each distro has its specific advantages that are not recognised by the rest of the community and they even seem to compete. The result is noise to the market as the eager try to push the merits of their preferred distro in a game of &quot;My Dad is better than Your Dad&quot;There is no real cross marketing, no clear message, no central Linux-agnostic platform for communication. Distrowatch is one of many competing channels representing uncoordinated efforts to address this. While I fully understand that this is what the open source community is about, it is not really an optimal solution for widening the user base.Harnessing the energy and exuberance of the Linux community as a positive experience to reduce the noise and build the communication with its market and user experience is a really straight forward value proposition that would greatly benefit everyone..]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[andmark]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:31:37 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Ruel24 = Absolutely correct!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The article assumes &quot;Back in the day we were all so blind, so foolish. We all thought for sure the stability, security, and reliability of Linux was all it needed&quot;.No we ALL weren't.As a Marketing Lecturer for 18 years, I was regularly groaning about the lack of cohesive market presentation. With each of the distros claiming that it was the best at its various application and a myriad of clever and fanciful names for components in the OS. The average home user would leave the confusion and noise to the singular voice of a properly organised corporate message.Whilst the technical superiority of elements of Linux is often used as a reason for migration, this doesnt necessarily win the argument for somebody who wants to jump in and have a go with a legacy PC.I was pleasantly surprised when I loaded a Linux distribution for the first time in 5 years to find that the installation was amazingly slick and easy. Other distros were similarly positive and picked up all the hardware in less time than a Windows install.Venturing into any of the packages though shows that the raft of new cute names for the apps still has not evolved to easily identify the user experience in common English.I want to evangelise about Linux, I really do. But I need to see more focus on the basic user that clarifies and simplifies the sophisticated technology in Linux, not dumbs it down.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:19:11 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I'm behind in my reading, as you can see...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[So maybe no one will read my snarky comment which is&quot;Maybe the success of Microsoft is due to the millions of beta testers....&quot;]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[RipVan]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:55:27 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I have to agree]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It's all about the user and users are drawn to beauty; it's just that way.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[todd_dsm]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:22:44 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Only reason]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The only reason is the double taskbars of gnome. and Ugly interfaces of linux software. If they fix that, then there is no prevention to be dominated.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[areels]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:54:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Linux has already reached world domination in one form]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[A mass majority of people have flocked to it and put it in their pocket... Android.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[bird2920]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:20:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Linux 20 y/o? UNIX 35 y/o!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Operating system designed by a student? Yeah, right, like Bill Gates &quot;designed&quot; MS/DOS. Even Mac OS X is based on Berkely Unix. What Linux and all other open source is missing most time is the good old marketeer that will sell anybody Linux ilke it is a religion. You need evangelists and fundamentalists to be able to gain world dominancy. I can't see Linus get himself a business card sayiing &quot;Senior Vice Evangelist Linux&quot; ike they do at Adobe, Microsoft or Apple.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[pduran]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:03:45 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Nahh! MS would have figured it out]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There is one thing about Bill Gates, he is ruthless, cunning and very smart (almost in an evil kind of way) every threat to his product he would attack it merciless and constantly, kind like the killer bees. When he detected an anomaly in the matrix (sort of speaking) he would attack and use all his power and resources to assimilate or destroy that product.So the fact that apple use the same product marketing and sale to overcome or lead the software industry, probably we could have been witness of one of the biggest battles for products in all of mankind history (almost like Coke and Pepsi but with more blood and gore)By the way who says that apple can???t do that in a near future!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[realvarezm]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:41:31 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[OK, So can we nominate Jack as The Voice of Linux?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[All in favor say Aye.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[todd_dsm]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:19:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[you have an interesting point, but I'm not sure how the pieces fit...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[While I &quot;feel&quot; there is some truth(s) in your assertion, I know something less helpful. The DOJ found early Microsoft behavior as monopolistic. This is the primary reason the platform grew well past any other. I'm certain this not news to everyone but it certainly bears repeating:The DOJ refers to it as an &quot;Exclusionary Per Processor Licenses&quot; and finds:&quot;Microsoft makes its (MS-DOS and) Windows technology available on a &quot;per processor&quot;basis, which requires PC manufacturers to pay a fee to Microsoft for each computer shipped, whether or not the computer contains Microsoft operating system software.&quot;http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/Pre_96/July94/94387.txt.htmlEssentially Microsoft was able to bill PC manufacturers for MS-DOS even if manufacturers installed a non-Microsoft OS. Why would PC they install another OS at that point? This was a hard shot in everyone's foot.The fact that Apple was brutal with the licensing costs of their development packages &amp; extremely proprietary with everything else was the self-inflicted shot in the last remaining foot. I think we can see now that Jobs learned a little from this since he's giving it all away now and doing great.The truth of your statement might lie in the subsequent lessons of the early days. We know that, given an option, people will be compelled towards a free solution as long as it is flexible, scalable, and secure. There is no real market encouragement for users to download and use Linux, yet a few more do exactly that every day.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[todd_dsm]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:13:27 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Linux turns 20: Progress report on world domination]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Having read and considered the inputs from the various readers... I suspect the comments, while generally more on target and more accurate than typical, are missing the real point!  The real question is &quot;what was the real reason that MS Windows (the early versions) grew on the desktop space and Apple O/S (the early versions) did not&quot;.  Then the answer follows is that the cause and effect was Apple Corp being unwilling to release their control of the Apple O/S and their unwillingness to work at a lower per unit profit margin. I will offer that &quot;if Apple Corp and ported their O/S to run on commodity hardware and cut the street cost per copy down to a reasonable figure, then we would most all be using an Apple desktop or laptop&quot; and Microsoft would probably be limited to writing applications for that O/S.  Thoughts?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kerry.sisler]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:03:02 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Wow, yeah...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You're right! I did a quick google search for Excel VBA games and turned up a few sites... uh oh... there goes many more hours Still, I'd love to be able to package a &quot;basic&quot; program so it would run on a regular pc as an executable (compiled), or even within a free application, rather than having to purchase excel ontop of the computer...Perhpas it's just my development days are far behind me...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[C-3PO]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:40:42 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's not just the OS]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[On the desktop, it's also the office suite.  As bloated and expensive as it is, MS Office gets the work done.  It has far more than critical mass while other solutions, e.g., OpenOffice, do not provide a sufficiently seamless document exchange with Office for a work environment.  For better or worse, Office is the realistic business standard due to its nearly universal adoption.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[idea-catalyst]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:45:49 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[out sider looking in]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I really can't right a program if my life depended on it.  I do have to agree with the response you are getting. With a new elucritive market trying really hard from being bought out, there many resentment for a micro industry of puppeteering apps, software programing with the financial power it carries. Listen the bottom line is computation has been done on a windows bases for many yeas, this does not warrent windows to take over new talent every time it checks in to the room. The greates thing is, now there is Linux machine environment were micro can't even check in an write there own Linux app. It funny cause I had this same conversation with dell many years ago, They were bragging with Intel chipps being the leader of the PC world for a very long time and i eluded to America car muscle were all we like to do is push our engine to the Max before 100 k miles, and cluded a long winded state ment stating athlon chips do the same. Long story short atholon chipps are dells best price package. Regardless of that the bottom the new generation of online intelligence has started when all the old do android were squezze out the way and force to only believe windows I'd the only option in the world. The best advice I give some who has been around the block and see one side of the coin, dropp it on the table and understand the hard work of the Linux writer to keep Ms from pupeteering the work by studying the dos study of Linux.I don't know the exact story from understanding it was written by a os developer have no care in the world for Ms(I mean he didn't resent Ms, he just did talk the windows language) and created a new os were it never was finished before he pass away a leader for the future working hard in his garage. The bottom line if you found a system which works real good. Would you : sell it, give your game plans away (the same way patent manning did with his fake hand sign on national tv interviews, &quot;hence the reason why his offense is being beet on&quot;), or protect it until the game plan finally manafested were it start becoming profitable.Finally if you want to start moving in a profitable direction in a Linux platform find me here I LL give great app concept, it just matter of being young at heart, carefully  thought programming design to deliver reliability, and able to understand multiple platforms. New bill rights movement freedom of speech on a bird.com network.............]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Interactive Communication]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:58:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I Did Look at the Options]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I did look at the options and consulted the forums and other resources. But at a certain point one realizes there's no escape from dependency hell as one other reviewer called it. FYI, Linux Mint is built on Ubuntu and considered even slicker and easier to use. Windows isn't perfect but the majority of applications install easily including LibreOffice, my office choice.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[rhizomatic]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:32:18 -0700</pubDate>
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