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        <title><![CDATA[Great post as well, thank you!!]]></title>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[HypnoToad72]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:06:21 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Great post and links, thanks!]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-348468-3509906]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Pity the economic conditions are the sheer antithesis of the claim we need more people educated for STEM fields...  we have the &quot;talent&quot;.  And the skill.  And the laborers.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:06:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agreed.  It has been about 'cheap' for a long time...]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-348468-3509893]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Meritocracy is pretty much going the way of the dinosaur.  Because &quot;'good enough' is good enough&quot;]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[HypnoToad72]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:07:17 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[From A Recruiter's Viewpoint]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In order to hire the best you have to communicate with the best. You do this through &quot;direct approach&quot; recruiting and not running ads on job boards. At best, the &quot;laundry list&quot; jobs you see posted appeal to the person looking to make a lateral career move or they are unemployed for whatever reason. Recruiting is a contact sport. An employer cannot expect to even get the attention of the 'best of the best' employed candidates without someone to open a dialog with them on their behalf. Running an ad and hoping is not a good strategy. It's not even a strategy.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ray@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:49:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Misinformation !!!!!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[While there may be some strength in certain sectors of the IT market relative to the rest of the economy, it is way over hyped in the media and certain corporate halls to help corporations drum up the case for cheaper worker visas from overseas and further justify offshoring of many of these positions.I wish someone at TechRepublic or other media outlet would regularly tackle the worker visa subject in an objective manner that quantifies the numbers for us.I have seen it in my work place and other places where positions are filled using a worker visa resources while others who are more qualified and experienced were passed over in favor of a cheaper newly arrived worker visa person.This should not be misunderstood as a hostile or negative sentiment against those workers who come from somewhere else to work in the US, rather an objective criticism of our corporations who range from having little allegiance to full out distain for this country.Another point to consider; while many companies are posting open positions implying a need for resources, they are actually not planning on filling those positions at this time; rather they have, some may argue maliciously, used the current economic climate to force those of us who have a job to work to the bone to the same work previously done by 2 people; not only that but they also kept the pay down; all this while corporate profits are soaring to record highs.The government corruption and corporate influence on all branches of the government leaves us with little hope any substantive change will take place.I believe whole heartedly this is a time of pivotal change for this country and unless we step up to claim it back it may soon be too late ...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[smarttechi]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:55:01 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The best advice, though]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[is for management to stop lying.I was RIFfed from an agency with the very last IBM Mainframe anywhere in the entire county, because the IT managers thought they could get away with absolutely no Systems Software support for the next seven years.As you may know, the two IT Managers married to each other control 85% of the people in IT, but beyond that, in spending millions of dollars redeveloping the same software over and over with no particular reason but to keep themselves in jobs, the two Yahoos use public resources for their own private purposes. For example, the Development Manager trades stock on his work PC provided by the County during the day at work while his wife, flirting with her male employees, is on the Board of Directors for the Chihully Art Museum downtown and they both use their salaries for their yacht for parties to woo people for their political asperations. All this is in direct violation of the law against conflict of interest. But what can you say -- it's a conspiracy throughout the entire County to preserve the status quo.Now then.Is this typical?One only need read &quot;Moral Mazes&quot; by Robert Jackall or &quot;The Management Trap&quot; by Dr. Chris Agyris. Or better yet, just read the news post Enron. It gets worse all the time and yet the reaction is, &quot;So?&quot;.Unless everyone cleans up their act, it won't be just IT Jobs disappearing for competent people. All jobs are going to become crap jobs for the U.S. work force.But for the short term, for those managers, directors, VPs, CEOs and Chairmen, it will be GLORIOUS and that's all that matters.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[premiertechnologist]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:55:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[TR's Got New Area - FANTASY!!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[BLS is apparently making a serious bid for the most disconnected from reality agency in the federal government.  There's a lot of serious competition for that title, but with work like this, I think BLS has a good chance of taking the crown!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Lazarus439]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:55:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[new tactics, should at least include the old norms]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-348468-3500315]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[* include e-mail addresses, voice telephone numbers, work-place street address in every job ad* actually, gasp, read and answer every query* actually read resumes and talk with candidates via e-mail and telephone* offer to fly in the best of the candidates (expect to pay for round-trip air-line tickets, hotel/motel and rental car for 1-2 days), and* to relocate (transportation, movers, temporary accommodations while they find a more permanent place to live, deposit/closing assistance, assistance selling old house and buying a new one), and* train (2-15 weeks) those you decide to hire* also invest in on-going training (2-4 weeks) for retained employees]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Professor8]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:50:46 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Re: 3.3% because the RIF'd have given up on IT]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Good points.The BLS unemployment rates don't count the STEM workers who are in survival jobs as being part of the available pool of STEM talent.  The actual pool of STEM talent is much larger than what BLS considers it to be.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Professor8]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:42:54 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It a commonly know fact among all but the most clueless...]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-348468-3500294]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[...unemployment as a whole....not only with regards to IT....is MUCH worse than the measured figures simply because it measures the ones drawing unemployment.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tbmay]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:10:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[LOL]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You're probably right.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:05:37 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[What, specifically, is the shortage?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The only specifics the article gives is talking to people who are talking about succession-planning - high tech companies who are looking for CEOs who willh have the ability, background, and personal connections to take the company to the next level.  i agree that is a narrow range of candidates. But other than money, none of the advice given is useful for what I would call &quot;IT&quot;.That's a common mistake reporters make - they mistake the job for the company.  A janitor or accountant at at IT company is said, for government reporting purposes, to be in the IT business, but a programmer working in the back office of a law firm is not.The skill shortage this article seems to be talking about is in the Executive Suite, not in the server room or worker-bee cubicles.Yet the complaints of the workers saying, &quot;What shortage?&quot; are people who do not have a golden rolodex.So, when you say there is a shortage if IT professionals, can you be more specific?  Platforms? Languages? Skill sets?  Job descriptions?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:50:35 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[3.3% because the RIF'd have given up on IT]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[After the mass RIF madness of recent years where experienced IT pros were replaced en masse by offshore newbie contractors fresh out of school, the reason that stated unemployement rate is so low is because so many former IT pros have given up on their IT careers completely and switched to other kinds of careers for their daily bread.  I know many former IT folks now self-employed (after being laid off) with small businesses doing eco-tourism, catering, baking, pet-sitting, truck driving, personal concierge-style project management, boutique musical instrument manufacturing, rental property management, etc.  They're willing to try almost ANYTHING to avoid IT where in recent years they were misunderstood, mistreated, disrespected, and considered to be easily replaceable cogs in organizations that no longer gave even lip service to rewarding loyalty.  Early in their careers, corporate IT was a good gig and practitioners were respected and valued even when not understood. Now, they're so disillusioned that even their kids in college are refusing to consider careers as engineers.Some of the unemployed / RIFfed / outsourced IT folks still looking to get back into IT are being offered so little, they're staying with their intended-to-be-temporary jobs selling lamps or waiting tables or whatever.  Of course, these under-employed folks don't count as unemployed.Meanwhile... Many of the managers responsible for the dramatic declines in software quality and speed of problem resolution don't even realize what they've done because they're managing to the wrong metrics.  All they see is the (less dramatic than anticipated) short-term savings on human resources expense (resources, NOT capital).   They're also mistaking run-off customers for victims-in-general of the Great Recession... instead of recognizing the fact that their customers are fleeing due to poor quality and poor service.Finally, there is a lot of unofficial age discrimination in IT hiring and firing.  The population of RIFfees is decidedly skewed towards the older, more experienced (and therefore presumably more expensive) fraction of the IT worker population, due to the fact that many big RIFs were actually mass exercises in age discrimination legally covered by the thinly disguised fiction that the jobs were &quot;eliminated&quot; (only to be replaced by otherwise identical contract positions).  FWIW, that's the same legal fiction that covers far too many H1B visas (which can be issued only after the sponsors swear that the &quot;can't be filled locally&quot; positions are not the same positions formerlly held by their recenty laid off FTEs).]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[50-50]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:23:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Not the UK I assure you...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Unless you are cheap...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:19:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's the %age of positions they haven't managed]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[to offshore or fill in with a H1B yet...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:17:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How willing are execs/hiring managers to relocate STEM talent within USA?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[How willing are execs/hiring managers to relocate STEM talent within USA?  Or even to interview US citizens currently living out of town?Nowhere near as willing to do so as they were in the 1980s.   These days, getting an interview more than 10 miles away is difficult, what with the batteries of telephone screenings (a.k.a. trivial pursuit/human compiler quizzes, pretext seeking).Jen/Jan Barton of Cohen and Grigsby: &quot;if they don't like the salary, if they don't like the work location, they're not interested.    Or if they just don't like the job itself, they're not interested.    Um, those are ways we can disqualify them and get them out of the market, and focus on the ones who might be more qualified.    If it gets to the point where they're, somebody's looking like they're very qualified, we ask them to have the manager of that specific position step in and go over the qualifications with them.    If necessary schedule an interview, go through the whole process to find a legal basis to disqualify them for this particular position.    In most cases that doesn't seem to be a problem...    you can eliminate them...&quot;]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Professor8]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:14:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[STEM unemployment at double historical levels]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[STEM unemployment rates are more than double historical levels of between 1% and 2% (1.8% in 1983, 1.5% in 1990, 1.1% in 1997).  IOW, there's still a huge talent glut.But at least it's down a bit from the record 6.1% unemployment rate of 2010Q1 (5.5% in 2003, 5.9% in 2009Q3).  (Architecture and engineering unemployment rate is 5%, down from the 2009Q1 at 9%, 2010Q1 at 7.2%, but still far above the historical healthy rates between 1% and 2%; while science and medical unemployment rates have been very volatile.)We'll see in a couple weeks, when the BLS quarterly report by detailed occupations comes out.http://www.kermitrose.com/jgoOccupation.htmlhttp://www.kermitrose.com/images/UnEmpRatesCSOcc.jpg]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Professor8]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:08:04 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Don't Agree With This]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[When I see the low salaries being offered out there for various IT positions I can't agree with this article. It is definitely a buyers market. Are you talking about software engineers?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[John_LI_IT_Guy]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:12:34 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[This article is total fantasy]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Exactly WHERE is this &quot;market&quot; happening? NOT in New England as far as I can see...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[fred@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:32:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Would love to see some specifics.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Demographics.  Areas of expertise.I see a lot of adds wanting A+ techs for $10 per hour.  I hardly call filling that job a success for &quot;tech pros.&quot;  Nor do I call a slew are part-time high school kids imaging computers a &quot;success for tech pros.&quot;So, where is this 3.3% figure derived?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tbmay]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 07:32:59 -0700</pubDate>
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