The only one that holds even a grain of truth is possibly malware...but I have YET
to have any of the notebooks/netbooks in my household running Windows XP or 7
afflicted with any malware...so maybe that's BS as well. The other points are just
plain WRONG, and as such, do not warrant any point by point rebuttal. Heck, even
the malware angle is wrong...ever hear of Android malware Jack?
Discussion on:
View:
Show:
Android seems to be plagued with some issues yes, but I just can't see these Android tablets providing alternative work environment that proven Windows computers would. Maybe as a companion for a meeting, note taking or occasional browsing, but thats about it, unfortunately. Going to wait until Windows 8 tablets.
I've tried my best to use a tablet for meetings it just doesn't fly. The keyboard simply isn't suited for touch typing. I don't own a smart phone but people seem to be able to type fairly fast with two thumbs as compared to one finger at a time using the tablet. Plus the email apps are not very efficient. I laugh out loud when I see people with iPads or other tablets carrying portable keyboards! You know if they had some duct tape they could tape the keyboard right to their tablets and they'd sort of hindge together sort of like a... hmmm oh yeah, a NOTEBOOK. Win 8 MAY change that so we'll wait and see but again the "excuses" given in this article are lame.
I thought the claim to be malware free the most inaccurate! It is well know in INFO-SEC that Androids can be some of the worst offenders. Be that as it may; it is the applications vulnerabilities that cause most of this, and users that not only don't use best practices, but download anything and everything for their 'Droid' tablet to compromise the system. Today's malware don't even need to install to do their dirty work on the tablet.
As far as the other reasons, my clients are flocking to them like moths to a flame. They will be demanding them for work next. Many will be using them at work anyway.
As far as the other reasons, my clients are flocking to them like moths to a flame. They will be demanding them for work next. Many will be using them at work anyway.
Reasons #7 and 9 make it doubtful. Missing from all the hoopla about tables is that their form factor prevents them from being a serious contender for any kind of serious data entry tasks where keyboarding skills are primary--i.e., Word, Excel, Access, PowerPoint, etc. [Touch-screen order entry tasks at fast food restaurants does not count, as the clerk is only choosing from a very limited set of choices.] Touch typing on a tablet with a tiny touch-screen keyboard key icons? Hardly. Of course, one could add a standalone USB or wireless keyboard; but then, you have a two-piece laptop.
TsarNikky is correct. It is one reason I have not bought a tablet. I just put in a bigger hard drive in my Asus Tech Netbook to expand its capabilities.
For me any tab in market is priced very heavily compared to their notebook counterparts. Besides they are not upgradeable like notebooks. So if I get a tab with 16GB flash then I'm stuck to it forever. Ok, some may even have memory card slots, but what's the maximum storage 64GB eh? And those are not even safe bets.With notebook I may get 250GB HDD but I can upgrade it later. People store lots of data on their notebooks which isn't possible with tabs. Besides I can't upgrade internal memory. I'm also stuck with the OS which comes installed with my tab. So I can't get iOS on Android tab because I made wrong decisions while buying. And there's no market for Android tabs btw, it's iPad market. If my OEM denies FW update then I'm stuck with old software which will get older and older as new versions keep coming in. With notebooks I don't have to worry to some extent. I can run Win 7 on Win Vista certified notebook or sometimes even on WinXP notebook perhaps I might need to increase RAM which can be done easily. And I can dual boot to. Regarding apps, any OS for notebooks be it Win or Lin, we have more softs. Portability, I don't want to carry external keyboard dock or wireless mouse all the time. Besides tabs screens won't even work with gloves on hands. In short tabs put restrictions on us which nobody wants to see.
Great to see a post that stand up to this piece and put it down on technical ground.
If you purchase a tablet with 16GB of SSD-based storage, then yes - you are stuck with that forever. But as you say, you can get MicroSD cards with 32/64GB of storage, and use more than one. Faster than HDDs, too. You can also use external harddrives with tablets; giving you virtually unlimited storage options. No, it isn't onboard, but you CAN use it.
By the way, saying that you're stuck with the OS on your tablet is incorrect. With Android tablets, you can dual boot linux (Ubuntu is attempting to create a port). Saying that you can't use iOS is just obvious; it's like saying that you can't boot PS3 firmware on a Xbox 360. Apple is proprietary; it's not the fault of the tablet. Blame Apple.
Also, have you heard of the Open Handset Alliance? Most ajor Android manufacterers have joined it, which also means that they are OBLIGATED to provideave aranteed updates to the OS for 18 months after the release of your hardware. So you WILL get updates. Besides, if you're willing to install Linux or if you know how to install a new version of Windows then you can just as easily root your tablet and update the firmware yourself. It's not that hard (this is an alternative, of course; you can STILL get the firmware from the OEM if they released it (remember, they are obligated for 18 months)). You can run new software on older hardware on Tablets. Why do you just assume you can't? Do some research on it. You are not locked in with Android - major updates have been coming a lot more readily recently.
With tablets, also, you don't usually need more RAM. Why would you? To brag about specs? The OS handles RAM fine, and I wouldn't really see a need for it under current circumstances. Everything runs fine on tablets with 1GB - plenty for most tasks.
I'm pretty sure you can dual-boot with Android. Just unlock the bootloader (I THINK that's what you do, not exactly sure). I do agree with you on apps, however, but just because Windows/Linux have more doesn't mean that the apps for Android are inconsequential. That doesn't even make sense, really. Apps for Android allow you to do things from edit spreadsheets (more on this in a minute) to edit ID3 tags for music files.
And, wait a minute - you don't want to carry a keyboard dock, but you will carry a laptop? So you're saying the entire idea of that is bad. That doesn't make sense. With a tablet, you have the OPTION. With laptops, you don't. I typed this entire post on an ASUS Eee Pad Transformer with the Keyboard dock; which is hinged. It can be closed, opened, tilted, undocked, etc. It also has a touchpad, so you don't need a wireless mouse (although who, really, exclusively uses a touchpad on a Keyboard? Literally. I would never want to use one exclusively - I need my mouse). Besides, you have USB ports on the tablet as well, so you can get a mouse if you want one. Or a USB drive. Or a full-size SD card.
Also, if you own a tablet and care about using it with gloves, then you would buy the capacitive, conductive ones. Plain and simple - it's just forethought.
If anything, my tablet is more flexible than a laptop for everyday use. Dock it for typing, use a mouse for documents, spreadsheets, etc, which works perfectly fine on Android, and undock for web browsing/gaming/other things. I can also HDMI to a TV for display mirroring.
I get 16 Hour battery life, too. You can't get that on ANY consumer laptop, anywhere, that I've ever seen. And all for $500.
That's pretty good, wouldn't you say?
By the way, saying that you're stuck with the OS on your tablet is incorrect. With Android tablets, you can dual boot linux (Ubuntu is attempting to create a port). Saying that you can't use iOS is just obvious; it's like saying that you can't boot PS3 firmware on a Xbox 360. Apple is proprietary; it's not the fault of the tablet. Blame Apple.
Also, have you heard of the Open Handset Alliance? Most ajor Android manufacterers have joined it, which also means that they are OBLIGATED to provideave aranteed updates to the OS for 18 months after the release of your hardware. So you WILL get updates. Besides, if you're willing to install Linux or if you know how to install a new version of Windows then you can just as easily root your tablet and update the firmware yourself. It's not that hard (this is an alternative, of course; you can STILL get the firmware from the OEM if they released it (remember, they are obligated for 18 months)). You can run new software on older hardware on Tablets. Why do you just assume you can't? Do some research on it. You are not locked in with Android - major updates have been coming a lot more readily recently.
With tablets, also, you don't usually need more RAM. Why would you? To brag about specs? The OS handles RAM fine, and I wouldn't really see a need for it under current circumstances. Everything runs fine on tablets with 1GB - plenty for most tasks.
I'm pretty sure you can dual-boot with Android. Just unlock the bootloader (I THINK that's what you do, not exactly sure). I do agree with you on apps, however, but just because Windows/Linux have more doesn't mean that the apps for Android are inconsequential. That doesn't even make sense, really. Apps for Android allow you to do things from edit spreadsheets (more on this in a minute) to edit ID3 tags for music files.
And, wait a minute - you don't want to carry a keyboard dock, but you will carry a laptop? So you're saying the entire idea of that is bad. That doesn't make sense. With a tablet, you have the OPTION. With laptops, you don't. I typed this entire post on an ASUS Eee Pad Transformer with the Keyboard dock; which is hinged. It can be closed, opened, tilted, undocked, etc. It also has a touchpad, so you don't need a wireless mouse (although who, really, exclusively uses a touchpad on a Keyboard? Literally. I would never want to use one exclusively - I need my mouse). Besides, you have USB ports on the tablet as well, so you can get a mouse if you want one. Or a USB drive. Or a full-size SD card.
Also, if you own a tablet and care about using it with gloves, then you would buy the capacitive, conductive ones. Plain and simple - it's just forethought.
If anything, my tablet is more flexible than a laptop for everyday use. Dock it for typing, use a mouse for documents, spreadsheets, etc, which works perfectly fine on Android, and undock for web browsing/gaming/other things. I can also HDMI to a TV for display mirroring.
I get 16 Hour battery life, too. You can't get that on ANY consumer laptop, anywhere, that I've ever seen. And all for $500.
That's pretty good, wouldn't you say?
MicroSD cards...one word unreliable than old style HDD.I won't take risk my IMP data on any of them.They are enough for some convenient movement of data. Then using portable HDD takes the wind out of 'portability' of tablets.16GB inside and 500GB outside on portable, that's certainly not good idea of portability.
Ok so for a tehchie like you n me unlocking bootloader and blah blah may sound very simple. But go and try to convince this to end user of tablet who's non-geek just wants exactly what he gets from his laptop, I mean from Windows, to be specific. And then if he fires you then don't cry. I still prefer Windows as OS for good apps and more than that ability to install apps in few steps.No going into super user mode, running command line and blah blah. Even I don't like Linux for this sole reason and that's the only reason it couldn't get to millions.
There's no relation between OHA and 18 month of obligation.On an average Google releases new major version of its OS every six months.So for 18 months program that's equal to 3 major updates. Now show me any OEM who has updated their droids to three major updates.
Again Bootloaders and all stuff eh? No I'm not a part of any XDADev team who knows how to hack bootloaders, run assembly codes and then install new OS. I just don't want all that hassle. I just want my device to work as I want right from the moment I brought it and without major modifications. And what if I brick it when doing so? Go to service center and realize that I just voided my warranty.****.And with repair all my data will be wiped off. On my laptop I just insert disc and start installing new OS and even if I mess up then I'm not risking my data very much.I can remove my HDD, back-it-up some elsewhere and then attempt recovery with recovery tools or disc.Unless you're recovering from a image you won't lose your data. Only phone which I've seen stand 'bricking' issue is Nokia N900 even if you brick it you just flash it like you install any OS on laptop but even that's little tricky.
And spredsheet apps on smartphones/tablets? Ever tried to maintian your companies accounts data or bills on your tablet with less powerful software? Even MSFT's own WP7 comes with stripped down Excel then forget about others. All those softwares are enough to manage your monthly expenses. And yeah do try scrolling through lines of spredsheet.
"you don't want to carry a keyboard dock, but you will carry a laptop?" is same like you want to carry a portable HDD but do not want a 1TB inside tab instead.LoL...
And you think USB ports are exclusive to tabs? Long ago they came to laptops and are still here if you know at all.
Again you need a 'physical' keyboard with your tab that's the reason you used dock with your Asus tab. And I guess you purchased it separately. Well my laptop came with physical keyboard.Surprised? And if in case you forget it home then you've to with on-screen keyboard which eats up exactly half the space available on-screen.With laptop I don't have to think about keyboard. If I forget then I'll forget the whole laptop and not just keyboard.
Yes even laptops have got HDMI ports.My Lenovo has TV-tuner card, a rare feature these days.
And I guess you directly started using capacitive displays that's why you couldn't answer my query of gloves. Well, if you have used 'resistive' displays already then you'd know how horrible they are for day to day use. And even gamers prefer Dell Alienware for gaming and not some Galaxy tab.
Ok battery life certainly sounds good, but hey who in this world uses laptops for straight 16hrs?You, me or anyone else? None. Most people have electricity outlets at their disposal when they are in office.After office hours, a smartphone is best companion.and surely any human won't sit like .... in front of their TV,laptop or tab. (I know there have been exception too...LoL)
Finally to wrap-up, $500 for a tab?What are trying to justify? Very limited storage, single OS,knowledge of techy to load new OS,few more dollars for keyboard dock and what else? For $500 I can get much better laptop with actual processing power, an OS capable to use it fully and which is productive itself and most importantly doesn't need a working data connection all the time.
I hope this pretty much clear up things for you.
Ok so for a tehchie like you n me unlocking bootloader and blah blah may sound very simple. But go and try to convince this to end user of tablet who's non-geek just wants exactly what he gets from his laptop, I mean from Windows, to be specific. And then if he fires you then don't cry. I still prefer Windows as OS for good apps and more than that ability to install apps in few steps.No going into super user mode, running command line and blah blah. Even I don't like Linux for this sole reason and that's the only reason it couldn't get to millions.
There's no relation between OHA and 18 month of obligation.On an average Google releases new major version of its OS every six months.So for 18 months program that's equal to 3 major updates. Now show me any OEM who has updated their droids to three major updates.
Again Bootloaders and all stuff eh? No I'm not a part of any XDADev team who knows how to hack bootloaders, run assembly codes and then install new OS. I just don't want all that hassle. I just want my device to work as I want right from the moment I brought it and without major modifications. And what if I brick it when doing so? Go to service center and realize that I just voided my warranty.****.And with repair all my data will be wiped off. On my laptop I just insert disc and start installing new OS and even if I mess up then I'm not risking my data very much.I can remove my HDD, back-it-up some elsewhere and then attempt recovery with recovery tools or disc.Unless you're recovering from a image you won't lose your data. Only phone which I've seen stand 'bricking' issue is Nokia N900 even if you brick it you just flash it like you install any OS on laptop but even that's little tricky.
And spredsheet apps on smartphones/tablets? Ever tried to maintian your companies accounts data or bills on your tablet with less powerful software? Even MSFT's own WP7 comes with stripped down Excel then forget about others. All those softwares are enough to manage your monthly expenses. And yeah do try scrolling through lines of spredsheet.
"you don't want to carry a keyboard dock, but you will carry a laptop?" is same like you want to carry a portable HDD but do not want a 1TB inside tab instead.LoL...
And you think USB ports are exclusive to tabs? Long ago they came to laptops and are still here if you know at all.
Again you need a 'physical' keyboard with your tab that's the reason you used dock with your Asus tab. And I guess you purchased it separately. Well my laptop came with physical keyboard.Surprised? And if in case you forget it home then you've to with on-screen keyboard which eats up exactly half the space available on-screen.With laptop I don't have to think about keyboard. If I forget then I'll forget the whole laptop and not just keyboard.
Yes even laptops have got HDMI ports.My Lenovo has TV-tuner card, a rare feature these days.
And I guess you directly started using capacitive displays that's why you couldn't answer my query of gloves. Well, if you have used 'resistive' displays already then you'd know how horrible they are for day to day use. And even gamers prefer Dell Alienware for gaming and not some Galaxy tab.
Ok battery life certainly sounds good, but hey who in this world uses laptops for straight 16hrs?You, me or anyone else? None. Most people have electricity outlets at their disposal when they are in office.After office hours, a smartphone is best companion.and surely any human won't sit like .... in front of their TV,laptop or tab. (I know there have been exception too...LoL)
Finally to wrap-up, $500 for a tab?What are trying to justify? Very limited storage, single OS,knowledge of techy to load new OS,few more dollars for keyboard dock and what else? For $500 I can get much better laptop with actual processing power, an OS capable to use it fully and which is productive itself and most importantly doesn't need a working data connection all the time.
I hope this pretty much clear up things for you.
We already have a Linux based distro which works exactly the way you want in #9. I thought as a Linux writer you'd know it.
I don't what you are using Jack but bluetooth on my Windows 7 compters work like a breeze. takes a few seconds to connect if they are paired and a whoping 30 sec to create a pair.
My Windows laptop supports any type of Bluetooth device. My iPad 2 cannot use a handsfree headset. You can listen to the iPad audio, but you cannot use the mic. Ever try to use a bluetooth mouse with iOS? If tablets are going to overtake laptops, they need to do everything a laptop does. As of now they cannot even do simple things like PRINT to most printers. Right now tablets are a companion device, not a replacement. Very few people have a tablet as their only device.
My iPad 2 works perfectly with my Logitecg wireless headset, so does my wife's iPad (1)!
I have no desire to replace my laptop with a tablet. I need more than glorified phone apps to do my job, I need real computing power. I tried taking a tablet to the field a while back just to try it and it was a huge bust...it actually obstructed my effort. I would lay odds most other laptop users come to the same conclusion.
I agree that a tablet will not replace my laptop anytime soon, unless there is a near full version of Matlab that comes out, which I doubt atleast for android but maybe for Win 8 ARM version
1: A tablet lasts longer on battery power because it's capable of doing less work. Need to download and unpack a few hundred MB Cisco IOS image to upgrade a switch or router? You're out of luck with a tablet. I won't bother listing the other things a laptop can do that a tablet cannot. Anyone with a 3-digit IQ can figure it out on their own.
2: Viruses exist for mobile devices, and because of people like Jack Wallen, who are lulled into a false sense of "security via obscurity," when a device is infected, the effects can be catastrophic due to the lack of defenses because of the perceived lack of threat.
3: I agree.
4: What? Getting more for your money when buying a tablet that costs the same as a low-mid range laptop? If portability is the only decision point, then yes, you're right. Although, one may argue that a smart phone is even more portable, and since you seem to be throwing out all rational decision making processes, more portable = better.
5: Many laptops come with built in 3G or 4G hardware just like phones and tablets.
6: There are thousands more applications available for full fledged computers. The fact that you think tablets outclass apps for computers just proves how far removed you are from a power user scenario.
7: The "user friendliness" of a device is based on perception. Granted, this is your article and thus, your perception - I get that. But saying your perception is why tablets will overtake laptops is absurd.
8: Laptops and smartphones have bluetooth connectivity as well. If you have trouble connecting devices to your computer via bluetooth... well... PEBKAC.
9: I don't know what kind of computers you use, but my laptop resumes from sleep and is sitting at the login prompt before I fully raise the screen. My desktop is at the login screen before I can get my hands back to the keyboard/mouse after pressing the power button. Now, I realize you said hibernate, not sleep. A tablets "off" mode is not equivalent to hibernating a PC, it's more equivalent to sleep, although it's not even that deep... it's more like a daydream. I don't know about you, but my iPad is awake enough to receive email and notifications even when "hibernating." My computers, not so.
10: Social networking is a disease... a plague. You say it helps small business due to free advertising. I say it get more useless junk shoved in front of me. You say I can forget having to use a browser for everything... you're right... instead I have to use three different apps to Facebook, Tweet and Tumble.
Tablets have their place in the market, but it is not the place that laptops currently occupy. They are not productivity devices and those who think so are not using a laptop to its full potential. I guarantee someone who is not inept will be more productive in 6 hours on a laptop than in 10 hours on a tablet.
I like my iPad... it's nice to use when I don't feel like sitting upright at my computer desk or being hunched over my laptop or using pinch-to-zoom to view web content on my phone. It will never replace my phone, my laptop nor my desktop, however.
I'm not sure what Jack Wallen's goal was, making a statement as bold as this, but if it gets much publicity, it's going to go on record as being one of the dumbest statements made this decade.
2: Viruses exist for mobile devices, and because of people like Jack Wallen, who are lulled into a false sense of "security via obscurity," when a device is infected, the effects can be catastrophic due to the lack of defenses because of the perceived lack of threat.
3: I agree.
4: What? Getting more for your money when buying a tablet that costs the same as a low-mid range laptop? If portability is the only decision point, then yes, you're right. Although, one may argue that a smart phone is even more portable, and since you seem to be throwing out all rational decision making processes, more portable = better.
5: Many laptops come with built in 3G or 4G hardware just like phones and tablets.
6: There are thousands more applications available for full fledged computers. The fact that you think tablets outclass apps for computers just proves how far removed you are from a power user scenario.
7: The "user friendliness" of a device is based on perception. Granted, this is your article and thus, your perception - I get that. But saying your perception is why tablets will overtake laptops is absurd.
8: Laptops and smartphones have bluetooth connectivity as well. If you have trouble connecting devices to your computer via bluetooth... well... PEBKAC.
9: I don't know what kind of computers you use, but my laptop resumes from sleep and is sitting at the login prompt before I fully raise the screen. My desktop is at the login screen before I can get my hands back to the keyboard/mouse after pressing the power button. Now, I realize you said hibernate, not sleep. A tablets "off" mode is not equivalent to hibernating a PC, it's more equivalent to sleep, although it's not even that deep... it's more like a daydream. I don't know about you, but my iPad is awake enough to receive email and notifications even when "hibernating." My computers, not so.
10: Social networking is a disease... a plague. You say it helps small business due to free advertising. I say it get more useless junk shoved in front of me. You say I can forget having to use a browser for everything... you're right... instead I have to use three different apps to Facebook, Tweet and Tumble.
Tablets have their place in the market, but it is not the place that laptops currently occupy. They are not productivity devices and those who think so are not using a laptop to its full potential. I guarantee someone who is not inept will be more productive in 6 hours on a laptop than in 10 hours on a tablet.
I like my iPad... it's nice to use when I don't feel like sitting upright at my computer desk or being hunched over my laptop or using pinch-to-zoom to view web content on my phone. It will never replace my phone, my laptop nor my desktop, however.
I'm not sure what Jack Wallen's goal was, making a statement as bold as this, but if it gets much publicity, it's going to go on record as being one of the dumbest statements made this decade.
I have worked on Android enough to say that my Aspire (with bleutooth and 3G) is my current favorite device. The notebooks will beat tablets in performance every single time. I love your comment. Also, within a few years people will have made virusses for those systems and they will be eqaully vurnerable for these creepy things. +1
Just wait until Windows 8 is out...then it will be a bigger problem than it is now.
I think you're wrong because you're only looking at it from a "power user's" perspective. It sound's like you're disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. I'm trying to sum up your perspective but in order to see the whole picture you must look at it from a non-power user perspective. Non-power user's far outnumber techies that hate for anyone to mess with their "full power" desktop/laptops. But bottom line is, most users don't want the most powerful system available to man in order to check their email and browse the web. What the tablet does is allows a majority of the people to do the little that they do very quickly and conveniently.
I'm not going to dispute you on all your negativity but the one thing I thought was funny was item #10. If you're in a browser, you still have to at least Ctrl-T to a new tab, get the URL through a bookmark or type it in and log into the social network. So, it may be fewer steps to actually run an app than to connect through the browser.
I'm not going to dispute you on all your negativity but the one thing I thought was funny was item #10. If you're in a browser, you still have to at least Ctrl-T to a new tab, get the URL through a bookmark or type it in and log into the social network. So, it may be fewer steps to actually run an app than to connect through the browser.
Your comments are understandable from a consumer's perspective. Why would a consumer read and/or comment on a tech site ... and then critize the "techie" remarks? Hmmm is what i was thinking when I read your response. Most of the "techies" will recognize the fault with Jack's article and comparisons from a technology review perspective. from the consumers view he pushes the right marketing buttons and uses the standard buzzwords.
I appreciate both but I have predicted for a year that by 2016 the smartphone will be powerful enough to do what many end users or "power users" require froma laptop and will be the replacement. Snap it inot a dock and work - take it with you and work a little hindered. Neither tablet nor smartphone will replace the laptop for the techie and his/her needs. It would have to replace the PC at the same time and that might not be for a decade (if it happens at all).
I appreciate both but I have predicted for a year that by 2016 the smartphone will be powerful enough to do what many end users or "power users" require froma laptop and will be the replacement. Snap it inot a dock and work - take it with you and work a little hindered. Neither tablet nor smartphone will replace the laptop for the techie and his/her needs. It would have to replace the PC at the same time and that might not be for a decade (if it happens at all).
I don't think he means this to be only for techies. I'm looking at the broader market potential. Not just that market for the few techies (compared to the average user). Of course, he's writing to techies since this is a techie publication but techies don't think outside their world and therefore don't think about the overall market potential.
Do you agree/disagree that for the majority of users (average Joes) they could very well get sufficient use from a tablet and therefore not need a laptop?
If so, then that's my point. I don't think Jack is saying to all the techies that read his article "YOU are going to replace your laptop in the next year." I think he's looking at the broader market potential.
Do you agree/disagree that for the majority of users (average Joes) they could very well get sufficient use from a tablet and therefore not need a laptop?
If so, then that's my point. I don't think Jack is saying to all the techies that read his article "YOU are going to replace your laptop in the next year." I think he's looking at the broader market potential.
I mean you've got techs, who make their living maintaining them, You've got hobbyists, who might know even more than a tech, you've got full time users, who use them to produce their work, and you've got Aunt Maude who bought it for Facebook.
Only the tech has no standing as to what is best, he simply must service what is before him. The latter three will determine what they need.
Only the tech has no standing as to what is best, he simply must service what is before him. The latter three will determine what they need.
I was not making the techie comment about Jack's article - I was referring to you commenting about the consumer pespective within this "tech" forum. The comment given by Jeff7181 was a tech perspective on the issues with Jack's article. Your comments in stating that Jeff7181 was "wrong" because you provided a consumers view .. this is techrepublic so expect the tech answer. jack's article will market to the masses but in the tech world tablets are still more of a sales tool or toy and limited on business application.
If you only limit it to techies you're right. But techies aren't the only ones that are buying tablets.
Why would we waste time debating whether or not a techie can use a tablet. We all want more power and tablets are the exact opposite. I honestly don't think techie types will accept anything with less power. It's not in their nature.
I am sorry but I must have missed the part where Jack said that it will be techies that will convert in a year. It sounds like he was referring to certain groups in business. Techies are the minority compared to the users in business. He may be right if you consider executives and middle management. I have read where they are converting in droves to tablets and using them for BI and other reporting capabilities.
Why would we waste time debating whether or not a techie can use a tablet. We all want more power and tablets are the exact opposite. I honestly don't think techie types will accept anything with less power. It's not in their nature.
I am sorry but I must have missed the part where Jack said that it will be techies that will convert in a year. It sounds like he was referring to certain groups in business. Techies are the minority compared to the users in business. He may be right if you consider executives and middle management. I have read where they are converting in droves to tablets and using them for BI and other reporting capabilities.
I like power.
Maybe I don't really need it, but I like the effortless ease with which a powerful machine does its duty.
Like my old Caddie DeVille-no effort, smooth, easy, roomy, all the bells and whistles. Nice. The tablets? Yugos. They "just work".
Maybe I don't really need it, but I like the effortless ease with which a powerful machine does its duty.
Like my old Caddie DeVille-no effort, smooth, easy, roomy, all the bells and whistles. Nice. The tablets? Yugos. They "just work".
Because techie or not, laptops will be more productive in any branch. Not just the tech world. Of course, tablets have nice attributes, but notebooks beat them every time when you need to get something done quickly.
Is it against the "law" of TechRepublic to write an article or give the "AverageJoeRepublic's" perspective? I don't think any of you really care about anyone's perspective but you're own. I've been a techie for 30 years but I can see outside my little tech world and understand the reasons certain things are successful.
My desktop is at the login screen before I can get my hands back to the keyboard/mouse after pressing the power button. Now, I realize you said hibernate, not sleep. A tablets "off" mode is not equivalent to hibernating a PC, it's more equivalent to sleep, although it's not even that deep
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-flash-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-word-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-word-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-txt-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-jpg-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-excel-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-html-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-epub-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-powerpoint-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-image-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-password-remover-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-converter.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-converter-ultimate.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-merger.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-dwg-converter.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-ppt-converter.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/how-to-convert-pdf-to-word-on-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-flash-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-word-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-word-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-txt-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-jpg-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-excel-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-html-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-epub-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-powerpoint-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-image-converter-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-password-remover-for-mac.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-converter.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-converter-ultimate.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-merger.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-dwg-converter.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/pdf-to-ppt-converter.html
http://www.pdfconverterformac.org/how-to-convert-pdf-to-word-on-mac.html
A perfectly logical point from userland, the 'techies' who gave you negative votes are imbeciles who, in all truth are actually a bit technophobic, you don't have to be a psychologist to work out that they don't like things to change. feel free to comment on further postings in the future because after all, this is a website and not a pissing grounds for 'non-consumers' and general cretins.
Until us Androiders get proper system-level upgrades pushed to our phones and tablets, malware will be there and increase. Until the vendors and providers cooperate in this, I may pass on tablets. My desk and laptop linux IS secure and kept that way.
Try an iPad if you're worried. Unlike Android, the app store is well guarded. It's not impossible but highly unlikely that you'll get infected with a gatekeeper watching the store.
Do you know what windows did? They have multiple defences running, multiple programs to protect you from threats and a lot of companies create high-end anti-malware programs that act as your first line of defence. Still, I get at least 2 emails a day, send by a virus-infected pc. Those virusses will come, for both android and apple products.
Lenovo ThinkPad 1838 tablet is an enterprise class tablet that offers a lot of features that may be holding you back. I love my laptop and my tablet, probably my notebookore, if only for spreadsheet work. iOS and Android tablets are worthless for spreadsheets, and the world doesn't run without databases powering all of our websites, distributuion warehouses, and administrations. Notebooks aren't going anywhere anytime soon, unless we're condemning anyone who uses excel to produce spreadsheets on a desktop. I have not played on a Win 7 or 8 tablet yet, and am curious how they will play in this respect.
supports multicore CPUs and other expansion features, that Microsoft's hardware offerings may please customers with your requirements.
I too call BS on every point in the article.
The tablet makes sense if you are a teenager or typical consumer but if you are trying to get any work done at all the tablet clearly reveals itself as a toy for consume web content not to get any real work done. I'll bet you didn't write your article on a tablet.
Wireless connection needs added hardware....where have you been? It is internal and comes with most business laptops and is as transparent as your wi-fi card.
Social integration? Are playing on your computer again???? Get back to work! Besides do you have MS Office 2010? Get it and get spun up on the latest technology.
Portability? Most business users that travel a lot use Lenovo T420s or X220 just check them out next time you notice a business person at the airport. Seriously, have EVER seen a business person carrying a 12 pound laptop?
99.9% of all tablet apps are for teenagers not business people
Efficiency???? I will have a contest with you to write a 500 word document on my laptop and you on your iPad or whatever.....Efficiency...blahhh ha hahaha
Bluetooth? How does your laptop not have Bluetooth? Are you playing with consumer equipment again?
And yes, I have an iPad since I have to support people who use them. Trust me, they are fashionable toys not serious productivity tools.
They have there place for web and media consumption and some types of businesses might use them to lookup info on web apps but they ARE NOT serious business productivity tools.
I know you are happy with your new toy but don't let they lead to lazy article writing without thinking about it.
EVERYONE of your points make no sense! Including power consumption....I like where you say you can find a place to recharge....same for a laptop! Most laptops now last 4.5 - 5 hours. When was the last time you needed longer? If you did you simply need to get another battery for your optical bay.
The tablet makes sense if you are a teenager or typical consumer but if you are trying to get any work done at all the tablet clearly reveals itself as a toy for consume web content not to get any real work done. I'll bet you didn't write your article on a tablet.
Wireless connection needs added hardware....where have you been? It is internal and comes with most business laptops and is as transparent as your wi-fi card.
Social integration? Are playing on your computer again???? Get back to work! Besides do you have MS Office 2010? Get it and get spun up on the latest technology.
Portability? Most business users that travel a lot use Lenovo T420s or X220 just check them out next time you notice a business person at the airport. Seriously, have EVER seen a business person carrying a 12 pound laptop?
99.9% of all tablet apps are for teenagers not business people
Efficiency???? I will have a contest with you to write a 500 word document on my laptop and you on your iPad or whatever.....Efficiency...blahhh ha hahaha
Bluetooth? How does your laptop not have Bluetooth? Are you playing with consumer equipment again?
And yes, I have an iPad since I have to support people who use them. Trust me, they are fashionable toys not serious productivity tools.
They have there place for web and media consumption and some types of businesses might use them to lookup info on web apps but they ARE NOT serious business productivity tools.
I know you are happy with your new toy but don't let they lead to lazy article writing without thinking about it.
EVERYONE of your points make no sense! Including power consumption....I like where you say you can find a place to recharge....same for a laptop! Most laptops now last 4.5 - 5 hours. When was the last time you needed longer? If you did you simply need to get another battery for your optical bay.
Although I think that the article is complete rubbish, I think your comment is even worse.
As a ICT Professional I see plenty of business usesfor the tablet.. To state that a tablet is only for teenagers or 'typical consumers' (whatever that may be) is a stupid statement.
Comparing desktop computers, laptops, tablets and smartphones based on usefulness is like comparing racing cars, oiltankers, family cars and sailing yachts.
What I mean with this is that every device is more usefull than the others in a given situation and user.
I think that all four devices are here to stay and that most people will end up using a combination of two or three of them.
As a ICT Professional I see plenty of business usesfor the tablet.. To state that a tablet is only for teenagers or 'typical consumers' (whatever that may be) is a stupid statement.
Comparing desktop computers, laptops, tablets and smartphones based on usefulness is like comparing racing cars, oiltankers, family cars and sailing yachts.
What I mean with this is that every device is more usefull than the others in a given situation and user.
I think that all four devices are here to stay and that most people will end up using a combination of two or three of them.
with your summation but, tjobson did not state 'a tablet is only for teenagers'. What he said is that 99.9% of the apps are for teenagers. After perusing the volumes of fluff on the app market, he may be correct.
Have you ever used a tablet. Calling them toys doesn't bode well for your IT skills. Enterprises are converting in droves to tablets. Look at some statistics. And yet another techie that doesn't understand the average consumer perspective.
First, tjobson stated he does in fact own a tablet. As far as calling them toys, he might be one of the thousands of sysadmins who have experience with having to adjust their network infrastructures to accommodate Ipads only to see the 'ooh-ahh' factor fade and the tablets turn into paper weights - very expensive paperweights. As far as enterprise adoption, I have not seen it. I have personally installed a little over a 150 and maybe 5 are still in use for the purpose for which they were originally installed. About 100 have been re-purposed as a kind of 'second monitor' or as a meeting room note taker. The rest have either been given away to employees as awards or have become the aforementioned paperweights. Statistics: 3%, 67%, 30%. Lastly, some of us techies worry more about our clients than the average consumer.
Here's some references:
This is one article that had an indicator that businesses were buying tablets:http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/353592/Businesses_Plan_a_Tablet_Buying_Spree
An article that indicates that SAP is buying them as well:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-10/sap-buying-up-ipads-confident-in-apple-after-jobs-s-passing.html
Of course, you can look up the other references out there but it's happening.
This is one article that had an indicator that businesses were buying tablets:http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/353592/Businesses_Plan_a_Tablet_Buying_Spree
An article that indicates that SAP is buying them as well:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-10/sap-buying-up-ipads-confident-in-apple-after-jobs-s-passing.html
Of course, you can look up the other references out there but it's happening.
You responded to approximately 4.5% of my post. So, if statistics do it for you, while the 154 employees to which I referred were 100% laptop enabled, they make up less than 2% of 8000 employees. Furthermore, according to firewall logs, only 5 or 6 (5%) routinely take their tablets out of the building as opposed to almost 100% of the 600+ laptop users.
These are current, real numbers and not 75%-of-a-year old prophecies. And, I can almost guarantee you that SAP is not replacing their software development equipment with IPads.
These are current, real numbers and not 75%-of-a-year old prophecies. And, I can almost guarantee you that SAP is not replacing their software development equipment with IPads.
I found more references but I'm not wasting my time. You didn't read the part that said you can look them up yourself. And, obviously you don't want to know that this may be the case and you didn't look it up yourself.
Your efforts were wasted in your personal example and spouting doubt about iPad adoption in the Enterprise. You didn't make one valid point but still you got 2 up votes. AMAZING!!!
It appears when someone says something positive about Apple products the posters on this list down vote you.
Also, to break down vote records, you can say something negative about Android and you'll hit an all time low. Am I surrounded by people on this list that only see MS as the saviour of the world. Doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, it's happening.
I follow the stocks closely and it's happening so much that it finds it's way into the financial world.
You can't guarantee a thing. You can just sit by and watch as the iPads continue making their way in. No matter how much you hate Apple or the idea that they may actually make inroads into Enterprise it's not going to change that fact!
I'm done people so down vote this.
Your efforts were wasted in your personal example and spouting doubt about iPad adoption in the Enterprise. You didn't make one valid point but still you got 2 up votes. AMAZING!!!
It appears when someone says something positive about Apple products the posters on this list down vote you.
Also, to break down vote records, you can say something negative about Android and you'll hit an all time low. Am I surrounded by people on this list that only see MS as the saviour of the world. Doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, it's happening.
I follow the stocks closely and it's happening so much that it finds it's way into the financial world.
You can't guarantee a thing. You can just sit by and watch as the iPads continue making their way in. No matter how much you hate Apple or the idea that they may actually make inroads into Enterprise it's not going to change that fact!
I'm done people so down vote this.
My college - student niece is living with us while she's doing internship. She has a Sony laptop, an $800 iPad 2 and a Blackberry. The Sony stays in its case, the Blackberry does her socials, the iPad does games until the battery drains She hasn't recharged them yet Her work gets done on MY HP60, printed through my HP Canon PIXMA 970 with an almost empty BK cart.
Don't believe a word. Laptop = most useful integrated gadget of the 20th century; and I'm sure it will continue for many years.
- Keyboard Shortcuts:
- Prev
- Next
- Toggle
