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        <title><![CDATA[The Long Run]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I agree that it lowers the entry cost for 1-4 users, but once you get to 5+ users, getting a dedicated small business server with SBS Standard (not the cheaper Essentials that you have to then rent Exchange and incur monthly fees) makes more sense.The cost of a nicely equipped Dell PowerEdge server with SBS 2011 can be had for $2500.  Dell and the banks can finance that for business with cash flow problems.  At prime (3% here) month payments would be less than 'cloud fees'.I don't buy into the 'economies of scale .. reduce costs'.  I have never rented or leased anything and have always came out ahead in the longer run.I have a strong math background and whenever I run the numbers, I don't see the cloud saving money for any small business.  I do see large ISP and Telco's making money on people who are bad with math.  That is why I have always invested in Telco's p.s. SBS 2011 now has a $200 rebate so the cloud makes less sense now too]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[RichardMtl]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:49:31 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The Long Run]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[RichardMtl,Thinking about the price over the long run is important, but the monthly fees mean a lower entry cost for small businesses. If we consider that a lot of them don't last that long, having the possibility to pay on a monthly basis and to not have a leftover server if the business goes under is very attractive. The cloud also allows for interesting economies of scale that can greatly reduce costs over time. Finally, most small businesses that don't do technology development today won't need to ever purchase a server, since most of the applications they need are already available in a software-as-a-service format on the cloud.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[thoran.rodrigues@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:21:47 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I don't agree with any on the pro cloud arguements]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Even for small companies, getting an entry level SBS 2011 server ($2000 or less) will save them money each month.  Why should anyone commit to monthly fees per user per month?  Sure it might cost more up front to setup, but in the long run, it will be much cheaper.I wrote a blog about why the cloud is a bad idea.http://compunetics.ca/Blog.php?category=2or here (in nicer formatting)http://compunetics.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/cloud-computing-10-reasons-why-it-is-a-bad-idea/]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[RichardMtl]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:30:12 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Clouds suck]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[That $1000 / month is today.  Wait until next year when it increases by 10% or more.  Add on the extra bandwidth required plus the larger monthly quotas.  That is why instead of buying into the cloud, I am buying stock on ISPs ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[RichardMtl]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:26:25 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The Enterprise Cloud]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[CaiusJC,Most service providers will either perform back-ups for you or offer some extended service plan that covers back-ups and insures against data loss.  Security is more complicated, and the concentration of data makes cloud providers more atractive targets, making security failures exponentially more dangerous. If a company has an on-premises server, and someone gains access to it, only that company's information will be stolen; on the cloud, the information of several companies may be taken.  It has been my experience that, when talking to people in larger companies, the first concern that comes to their mind is how to protect their data against theft. While data loss is important, people don't seem to be very worried about it. So, yes, data theft is only one of the potential security problems, but it is the major one.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 04:21:52 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[The Enterprise Cloud]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Thoran Rodrigues.You wrote :&gt;&gt;&gt;It is important as well to understand that the concentration of data that comes with the cloud makes the main providers ever more valuable targets. If everyone stores their data at Amazon, for instance, then hacking into Amazon servers becomes a very profitable opportunity for data thieves.Is that not only one of the security potential (daily) problems we may face ?What about the security of loss of data ?Who is in charge and responsible for the &quot;back-up&quot; ?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CaiusJC]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 02:16:27 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[As usual most intractable problem ignored]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In house software...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 15:09:32 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Cost Per User]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Indeed people often forget the cost is per user, or some other usage metric, and are surprised later. Still, it's often much smaller per month at first when compared to a traditional system.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:18:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[&amp;quot;You spent millions but this costs $1000 per month!&amp;quot;]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Maybe you didn't realize, but that's per user.  ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tom.marsh@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 06:47:29 -0700</pubDate>
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