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Why techies have problems at all is confusing. Being Techies, after all, means knowing how to choose another desktop environment when the current one no longer suits you. There is a minimal Ubuntu install where you can build a system from the ground up, just like Arch or should I say like Debian. Isn't Mint trying to hack Gnome3 to gradually work the masses in? Why not with Unity? Hey zefficace, tell me about those network manager scripts!