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        <title><![CDATA[Or the Ultimate Computer User]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The one who plays Games that are Porn.I seem to remember a large outcry here a few years ago when one of those games became available. Perhaps I should look at games once again if I could only get interested. Col]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[HAL 9000]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:04:30 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Are we talking about porn or gamers here?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The breed that wants bigger and faster?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Slayer_]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:00:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[No so]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I tried both Ubuntu 10 and 11 on an HP laptop. It could not find drivers for all the hardware and both Ubuntu versions are slower than Windows 7. When Linux is slower than Windows on the same hardware you have lost the main reason to use Linux]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mswift@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:32:05 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[should work]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The problem with Vista was breaking ground for the new drivers. Things with good Vista drives should work properly on 7. I ran Vista on two machines and they upgraded to 7 with no problem.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mswift@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:27:47 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Windows 8 comment]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[How can you comment on Windows 8...you say it does not have any good comments.  That's because the final production version it is not out yet dufus.  If you have used a Windows 7 phone and understand the tiles and start menu, you might have some idea of how it works.  Windows 7 phone is great!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[canewshound@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:31:01 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Upgrade to Windows 8]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The most important for me is the speed, I just upgrade to Windows 7 and I'm satisfy for now. I was with XP almost 5 years. I always wait for comment on new OS before upgrade and up to now Windows 8 does not have any good comments.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[rlangelier@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 05:15:26 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[That's been an ongoing problem for months now,]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[where I can see a post after submission, and then, I come back and it's gone.  So, it's not a new problem and it's nothing to do with a new back-end deployment.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[adornoe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:04:24 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Windows 8]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[i **really** enjoy 7; been using Win since the 3.1 daysI understand the RIDICULOUS touch screen splash can be eliminatedI *may* upgrade to 8 when it shows up but if there is just a HINT that the splash page CANNOT be converted to a 'classic' look all bets are off.I run 7 on every machine I own///GREAT!!! SMARTEST OS yet!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kctobyjoe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 06:25:26 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You're right, but]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've installed 7 on hardware that was older even than the XP-era hardware I installed Vista on. Win 7 ran as well as XP did. Vista choked on such hardware. If 7 didn't find drivers, I tried the Vista version which usually worked. If not, the XP version usually did. The point is, a new OS should run at least as well as the old one on hardware that is in common use when it is released, even if that hardware is a year or two old. Not all of us want or need to upgrade hardware just to accommodate a new OS. I can do that with 7, couldn't with Vista (and remain sane). My laptop is designed for 7, the rest in the house is not (designed for XP). Vista would be a pig on those, 7 runs great.As for 8, well, they really need to lose Metro on the desktop. I think they think they are on the Starship Enterprise (TNG) with all the touch-screens. At least they can talk to their computer and get an intelligent response back so they have another option besides pounding on the screen.I was given a Netbook that had 7 Starter. It is a mid-level Netbook and had 1 GB of RAM. I put Win 7 Ultimate on it to see if it would work. Runs just fine. I did upgrade the RAM to 2 GB (the max) and it runs better. The wife uses it a lot and is happy with it.Another problem with Vista (beside the fact that it is a pig), is that it is ugly and looks hastily slapped together. The interface in 7 is much more polished.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mudpuppy1]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:32:35 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You haven't taken everything into account.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[MY pc is outdated... dont use a desktop anymore and stopped upgrading it long ago. so technically these distros should contain the drivers i need... but they dont purely because they are useless... some of them look really good... but they are useless... until linux realieses the ease of use that users want, they wont get anywhere.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mad-doggie]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 04:18:53 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I'll escalate]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The engineers tell me that they deployed a new backend and your post may have not made the transition. I'll report it and get someone to look into it - you may not be the only one with a lost post.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark W. Kaelin]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:53:07 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Moves from one OS to another always take long in a corporate environment.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In my opinion most things in Windows 7 work much better than under XP. Also lower end, old hardware will usually be faster under Windows 7 than under XP. The problem is just that companies will always take a long time until they will update their OS's. 2 Years really isn't that much. But as I posted earlier, I don't think Windows 8 will make it. It's just a wrong OS for normal desktops.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:57:35 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Do it right!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I'm retired from international sale so I do have a little experience in this area. It is my belief that too many companies are to readily willing to bend to the pressure (imagined or otherwise) to get a product to market. I believe that if one has the right market positioning one doesn't need to be the first out with the latest (and greatest ?). Take a look at Volvo as an example. When one mentions auto safety, one automatically thinks Volvo. Why? Because that how they've positioned themselves in the market. A major focus of their advertising was related to safety so Volvo became synonymous with safety and they were right up there. And, they made a good product, not one that waas in the shop every other week.If a company like Microsoft were to take the time to really analyze their users and how their software is used, Windows would be a different animal. Personally I would rather wait for a truly exceptional product than buy another 'also ran'. There are too many versions of Windows and they're not so different to justify it. I think it would be better to focus on truly superior products and versions that are really targeted at the different markets than to produce a bunch so-so products every couple of years. We don't need a lot of stripped down versions of the same product.The perpetual rush to market causes a whole galaxy of problems, just look to Vista as an example. I would like to know what the real cost to Microsoft really was too eventually make Vista palatable (eventually). I don't mean just the multitude of fixes and patches, but also on how they are perceived and people bailing out to Linux. I would love to see someone focus on quality rather than quantity or a calender, but I guess those days are gone forever. Unfortunately the dollar overrules logic, ethics and principles.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sir.ptl@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 07:33:23 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Why]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Why do we even need Windows 8? They can forget tablets, they're too late. A new OS? Well no, not really. And who wants it. Most customers are still running XP and don't care about Windows 7 8 or 9.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[imsoscareed]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 05:47:21 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Fair Point]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I have seen it running completely fine on some high spec systems]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JRez]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:54:01 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Bean counters rule the roost in big corp...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Microsoft is trying to do three things:Move users to pay for everything AKA some sort of server slave ah.. client so that they can do the phone app (service) thing and charge for everything by the minute.Make one app for every device (not happening) let's look at the Military for this one. The military wants one gun for all things doesn't work and kills lots of soldiers. An M16 doesn't work in the mountains or in a building hallway and a M1 Grand doesn't work in the jungle.Keep a strangle hold on the desktop, which is slowly going away with phones and other devices. Yes, there are people with laptops and desktops, but the PC is not king any more and Microsoft will lose these users if they don't get a good, reliable, slowly changing operating system that doesn't piss off these conservative users.Microsoft is confronting all these challenges with group think, bean counter mentality. Doesn't work]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mikifinaz1@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:49:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It works fine]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I upgraded a Thinkpad from XP to 7 and it was pretty seamless.  After installation I ran Windows Update which downloaded all of the drivers and a visit to the Lenovo website gets you updated versions of any of their software that came preinstalled you on your machine when it arrived with XP installed.  It really is painless and performance for me was better.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[skinch@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:20:27 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Is Your Card Not VESA Compliant?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Generally graphical versions of Linux will boot to some kind of graphical user interface even without the correct video card driver as long as your video card is VESA compliant and your monitor is one hundred percent Plug and Play compliant (some older monitors are iffy). You won't have acceleration without the proper driver (same as in Windows), but it should work.Of course both the Fedora and the Ubuntu versions you mentioned are rather outdated at this point, but even they would normally boot to a GUI with most video cards.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CFWhitman]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:00:32 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Well...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[&quot;1. They're trying to include all the Windows features we never really needed that have made Windows bloated, slow, and buggy; and are therefore also becoming bloated, slow and buggy.&quot;That's true to an extent with certain desktop environments, but of course there are always other GUIs available for Linux that aren't bloated, slow, and buggy.&quot;2. They're making flavors we never really needed instead of one good, flexible GUI.&quot;Well, there are distributions and there are GUIs, and they are two different things. I would say different GUIs are part of what makes Linux flexible. Of course if you want one GUI that is flexible on its own, then there is the more heavyweight KDE (quite configurable, but I'm not into heavyweight environments) and the lightweight Enlightenment 17 (I'm using it on one machine right now, and it's not bad). Of course there are plenty of other options. I think new users tend to find the enormity of options intimidating. The Ubuntu family is so big right now that you can generally find a flavor of Ubuntu that will run like you'd want it to. The packages used for all of them are the same.3. In my experience many old Windows applications do run OK on Wine. It's the newer ones that give you problems (as well as .NET stuff). Software has been marketed for Linux in the past, and one piece of software will pretty much run on any Linux for the same hardware architecture. Most proprietary software for Linux just installs with an installation script (like Windows programs before Microsoft Installer). Since it contains its own dependencies (or perhaps installs them in /opt), it will run on whatever flavor you like. I used to buy games for Linux and use them on whatever distribution I happened to be running. Firefox is available as a binary download that you can just extract and run, without paying much attention to which distribution you are on.4. Well, Unity (and perhaps Gnome 3) may be an attempt to commit the error you are talking about, but nobody has to run Unity. I don't. KDE offers different interfaces for touch devices and desktop computers. Then of course there are all the different interfaces to choose from that were the problem in #2 that may be the solution to #4. You can't have everything and throw in simplicity and unification as well.You also have to understand that the whole landscape for Linux is based on the freedom to add another interface or distribution or piece of software. You can't take that away, and if you could take it away, you'd be taking away what makes Linux work in the first place. Without it, Linux desktop use wouldn't be 1.5%; it would be .0005%.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CFWhitman]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:36:21 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Not My Experience]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Vista wasn't so terrible if you could get it to hold together long enough to install all the updates. There were no guarantees that you could get it to that state though. Even then it's like Windows 7 that's slower, takes up more hard drive space, and has network issues (that can cause really low transfer speeds under certain conditions). Also, if Vista supports a piece of hardware, then in my experience you can use the same driver to support the same hardware with 7.What would I want for price? A hundred dollars for Professional would be reasonable. Also, though, get rid of the activation nonsense so I don't have to contact Microsoft when I install it or every time I move to new hardware later. I know that's a pipe dream.Fortunately, I use Linux and don't worry too much about Windows installations. I run an XP virtual machine for my GPS management software (to install new maps and such on my GPS). I'm sure someone will eventually want me to get 7 on a machine at home (I have it at work) so that I can run some game. Maybe someday I will.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CFWhitman]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:04:14 -0800</pubDate>
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