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        <title><![CDATA[If I wanted to]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[... I could also use arsenic on my Wheaties.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Sterling "chip" Camden]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:32:57 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You can use IE on *Nix if you wanted to]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You *could* get IE for FreeBSD (I *think*), and definitely for Linux... if you don't mind using IE 2.  I think there was IE 3 on *Nix too, but I don't remember for sure.J.Ja]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin James]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:07:52 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[i know]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In the end the frameworks can all fall back on html5 at some point, no? So you don't need any framework for that.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[belli_bettens@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:22:12 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[so your argument is?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[it's easy to laugh with my comments but you would gain more credibility if you could actually provide us a counterargument (and stating that you're 'quite sure' of something is not exactly an argument either).]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[belli_bettens@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:39:19 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[you misread]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I didn't say &quot;The only thing they care about is security&quot; period. I said &quot;security updates&quot;. Last time I checked MS is still rolling out updates for IE  IE6 might be a bad legacy for MS but IE9 is among the most secure browsers out there (even if you don't favor it)]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[belli_bettens@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:29:47 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Actual reason why big companies are using MS/IE?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[&quot;...The only thing they care about are security updates....&quot;This would be enough to consider throwing out IE (especially IE6)Actual reason why big companies are using MS/IE not because they care, but because they are conservative (read: clumsy and slow)]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[lishchuk]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:08:43 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Why indeed?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[... when you could be running FreeBSD and have your choice of dozens of browsers (but no IE!).]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Sterling "chip" Camden]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:22:55 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Exactly]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Being a web developer since the IE3/4 and Netscape 3/4 days, I remember the real browser wars and the serious headache of getting a site to even barely look like the same site on more than one browser.  If you write a site to Xhtml 1.1 strict and view in IE first (if you can get people upgraded to IE8 at least that will help), it'll work great in IE and mostly be fine in Firefox, Chrome, and Opera.  They all interpreted spacing slightly different and the HTML4/Xhtml 1.1 specs were too open-ended, but with a few minor adjustments via javascript for Firefox and Chrome, the page can look identical on all the browsers.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[grayknight]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:46:22 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Market?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I think first of all browsers are made for users to access internet/intranet. I see not a difference between business or non-business consumers. And believe me, not all business users go to IE for the reasons you describe. If I see how many Apples are now in the business market, I know almost for sure that the most of them work with Safari, because it is coming with the package.Many users don't care about what it is called, because most users don't have IT as a core competence. I have customers that have their PC still as it came after installation. For them it is the way it always was. IE is used a lot on Windows PC's because it is so tightly integrated with the OS. Something that Microsoft has paid a penalty for in Europe. I think that the browser issue is developer issue. They complain the most. I have never heard a &quot;normal&quot; user talking about his browser, let be imcompatibility of it. Most accept, because it just is.To give a final thought: I know an IT manager that have his company work with Opera, why? because he likes it. No questions asked. Wise? You tell me.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jvandemerwe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:56:20 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Time for some internal browser talk]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_browser_share_pie_chart.pngThis chart from Wikipedia, october 2011 shows clearly that IE has a WW marketshare of less than 35%. Sometimes I have the feeling it is because of IT management, that they don't go forward on progression. Although I must say that some Windows &quot;cloud&quot; products require IE. So I will take some reserveration on my last statement regarding management.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jvandemerwe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:46:50 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[IE and the future]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Nobody is using Netscape anymore, looking at how fast Microsoft is losing ground with IE, I think they start to give up being a browser player too. And in the end most users will. Except maybe @fluciani ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jvandemerwe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:42:29 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Moaning and groaning]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Don't get angry on Microsoft, so much. It's something you don't have under control. But why on earth are you using Windows XP on a computer like that? So don't say probably you have to upgrade. Upgrade NOW! You have your machine in the present, try to do magic from the past.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jvandemerwe]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:40:11 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Myth 1]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I wish I had a nickle (or a dime with inflation) for every time I heard a tech respond in confusion over the last 7 years, when I tell them our software is a web application running in the clients' office.  We did have a number of competitors with client server desktop applications that they were delivering over ISDN or VPN.  When we were looking to replace our dated DOS application, it just made sense to skip the Windows Client/Server model.  As a web application, our clients can use it over a VPN with very little performance difference compared to in their office.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Realvdude]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:10:51 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[About your comments...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Oho I'm relly a sinner! Oho i dont'use Win7, the &quot;standard&quot;. And for you this would be a good reason for my browser not to be upgraded! Ok, I'm in a Microsoft church, please excuse me and bye bye. Chome and Firefox and Safari and Opera.are then wizards, since their browsers are perfectly supported, more secure, with better performances, and if I write something for one of them, it runs quite exactly the same in all of them, BUT - naturally . not in IE!jvandermerwe, i don't know Ext JS (thank you I'll takle a look), but let me say, I'm quite sure that the 35-50% of the framework code is written to work around IE, as always.Ok I have and will probably upgrade my OS sooner or later. But THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BROWSER CHARACTERISTICS, with the upgrading of a ordinary program - the browser. I run a quadcore 3.2GHz with plenty of RAM and this will suffice I think. Two words for belli_bettens: thanks God you speak nonsense. Microsoft develops for business consumer? Ah ah ah, that's the better i've ever heard.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[fluciani@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:07:25 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[So we have IE6, 7, 8 and 9 to work through]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[That's probably another 5 years before we get through these versions.  And usual MS stupidity, not making IE9 work on XP, just makes IE 7 and 8 linger longer.They will probably continue the stupidity and not make 10 work on Vista.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Slayer_]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:04:17 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[standards...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I agree with the direction of your comment, that is, business users need and want a browser that will update only when they choose, so that it can be tested with the required web apps.  However, this is not because IE is sticking to &quot;standards&quot; and the other browsers are not.  The opposite is actually true.  Most browsers released today use international standards as their starting point and build from there.  I say most because IE has always been the exception.  Microsoft, in the early arrogance especially, has traditionally shunned the &quot;standards&quot; and gone their own way.  It is IE that remains out of compliance with industry recognized standards.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[md_hunt]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:38:28 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[POV]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I'm not championing IE, but which browsers are broken and which are &quot;right&quot; can really be a matter of perspective (IE6 not withstanding).  I use Chrome almost exclusively myself, but much of my web dev is for internal users --over 95% of them on IE7, IE8, or IE9.  We build web apps to work with that corporate standard --Firefox and Chrome might need the occasional tweak to work/look correctly.  Web development has always been a moving target and it doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon.And yes, you are absolutely ancient; a technologist using an OS that's over 10 years old is like a race car driver in a old Edsel.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[rrusson_z]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:07:39 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[We're talking web and cloud technologies in general.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Not just the one specific technology.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mattohare@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:47:13 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[offline can be a good selling point]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[the only disadvantage is that you have to deal with concurrency on the server, which requires you to do more work. So in that sense I can understand you don't want to promote it  Let's just hope it will be integrated soon in frameworks like ASP or JSP]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[belli_bettens@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:36:55 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[nothing to do with frameworks]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[html5 provides offline storage out-of-the-box and thus enables you to work disconnected. This is not something that needs to be provided by frameworks. This kind of ignorance (and I don't mean to offend you) is exactly what this article is trying to eliminate: It's already there!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[belli_bettens@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:48:50 -0800</pubDate>
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