check here from infoworld - he said it is a nightmare:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/windows-8-consumer-preview-windows-frankenstein-187749?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_2012-03-01
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You are basing this on one individual's thoughts - just a day after it was released? [Sort of like if one person at a restaurant falls sick, so will everyone else at the restaurant.] Try it yourself. Vista [after the kinks were cleaned up] isn't a bad OS. But some reviewers killed it so badly in reviews that it never took off. Used it for 9 months [inmcluding 5 months after Win 7 came out] before I went to Win 7.
One comment on the boot up time. Unsure if that 8 seconds was on a HDD or a SSD. SSDs dramatically reduce time at boot up. Additionally, Microsoft is sort of cheating by hybernating the kernel on a normal shutdown [i.e. not after security updates, core software changes, etc.].
Personally, i'll start off with the "classic" Windows 7 interface and switch at one point [on my desktop].
One comment on the boot up time. Unsure if that 8 seconds was on a HDD or a SSD. SSDs dramatically reduce time at boot up. Additionally, Microsoft is sort of cheating by hybernating the kernel on a normal shutdown [i.e. not after security updates, core software changes, etc.].
Personally, i'll start off with the "classic" Windows 7 interface and switch at one point [on my desktop].
Was a bad joke and got the reputation it deserved. They released beta software into production. Basic functions either did not work or were buggy so why would anyone give it a good review?
Vista RTM was bad, and the initial hardware requirements advice was misleading. However, once SP1 was released and the hardware requirements became more realistic, it was a decent OS. A piece of software, or an OS, shouldn't be permanently damned because it wasn't perfect on release.
As a consumer shouldn't a purchase work "out of the box". Releasing beta software to the general public I beleave is just wrong. You are using the purchaser for testing which will allow you to push a reasonable product (post service pack 1) onto the business purchaser at a premium. The public still pay's a premium for what is beta grade software. The updates are free. This is because the product is sold (usually) with design flaws. If the product was designed better, then updates would be functionality based which means they have a cash value.
The public isn't paying anything for this beta; it's free. As to it working 'out of the box', the beta is not pre-installed on a consumer-purchased system; there's no box for it to work out of.
People are not obligated to install something they don't understand just because it is available and free.
People are not obligated to install something they don't understand just because it is available and free.
.... You know that the web site stipulates it shouldn't be installed on any "production" [or equivalent] computer. While it's listed as a "consumer preview" far few consumers would even know about Windows 8 - let alone this "beta". Most consumers won't know how to burn an ISO or even figure out how to download the stub EXE.
Sounds like you hsave gripes against MIcrosoft.
The previews, beta and release candidates are available so that Microsoft can get others [outside the company] to suggest improvements as well as report bugs and issues. Having such a huge public relrease reduces the chances of problems.
"If the product was designed better, then updates would be functionality based which means they have a cash value." - Sounds to me like you are suggesting Microsoft should charge for updates?
Sounds like you hsave gripes against MIcrosoft.
The previews, beta and release candidates are available so that Microsoft can get others [outside the company] to suggest improvements as well as report bugs and issues. Having such a huge public relrease reduces the chances of problems.
"If the product was designed better, then updates would be functionality based which means they have a cash value." - Sounds to me like you are suggesting Microsoft should charge for updates?
Unsure if that 8 seconds was on a HDD or a SSD. SSDs dramatically reduce time at boot up. Additionally, Microsoft is sort of cheating by hybernating the kernel on a normal shutdown [i.e. not after security updates, core software changes, etc.].
I've got Win8 CP to boot in 18secs on netbook with AMD's E-350 1.6Ghz dual-core with HDD wich is twice faster for what it booted with Windows 7. Seems like WIndows 8 is a win here.
Most netbooks do not have the required resolution to (fully) support Win 8. Yes, it will install and run but there will be minimum functionality with the primary Metro UI interface. Netbooks typically have 1024 X 600 and Win 8 requires 1024 X 768.
Microsoft released the developers preview back in September. It should has resolved this issue before now if they had any intentions to do so.
Challenge to independent developers: A pre-load app that will simulate the 1024X768 resolution on the 1024 X 600 standard screen.
Microsoft released the developers preview back in September. It should has resolved this issue before now if they had any intentions to do so.
Challenge to independent developers: A pre-load app that will simulate the 1024X768 resolution on the 1024 X 600 standard screen.
It makes you wonder if MS had their head in the sand, or own a lot of stock in hardware companies. Maybe they figure that hardly anyone uses netbooks any more.
Well, thank god there are plenty of linux flavors to choose from.
Well, thank god there are plenty of linux flavors to choose from.
New netbooks and tablets that come with W8 preinstalled will likely have 1024 x 768 screens.
If you're talking about upgrading existing netbooks to W8, new operating systems and applications usually have higher minimum specs than their predecessors. There's nothing new about that, nor anything unique to Microsoft.
If you're talking about upgrading existing netbooks to W8, new operating systems and applications usually have higher minimum specs than their predecessors. There's nothing new about that, nor anything unique to Microsoft.
I have an ASUS netbook. Installed Windows 7 on it [came with Win XP] and ran a registry tweak to allow it to use 1024*768.
That said, I'd turn off the Metro interface and return to the Windows 7 interface. Won't have to worry [much] about the resolution issue.
That said, I'd turn off the Metro interface and return to the Windows 7 interface. Won't have to worry [much] about the resolution issue.
So instead of jamming a desktop OS onto a smartphone, they are going to jam a smartphone OS onto tablets, desktops, and servers. Make sense if you are part of the Microsoft "yes man" corporate culture. I installed Server 8 Beta tonight and I am not impressed. They have done away with what I have learned the last 15 years. People are not going to enjoy this. I know it's weird, I just want a consistent and stable product so I can get my work done. Thank goodness the server OS will now look like the phone and tablet OS that less than 1% of the population uses.
Windows Server 8 will not change. It will be like Server 2008 or Server 2008 R2. Microsoft isn't dumb enough to put the Metro interface on a server!
Server 2012 (as it is officially known) does feature the Modern interface sported by Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone. It has changed. One UI to rule them all... Shock horror. A single user experience regardless of platform. Why that's lunacy, to reduce the learning curve. Why would anyone want to do that?
To be blunt, the interface is not as terrible as many make out. Most of the ramblings and bashing come from old school techs that are afraid of change. It's a typical human trait. We can't blame them. Personally, I jumped onboard the train 18 months ago with Windows Phone and am now quite used to the new paradigm. It actually works very well when you shift your mindset.
To be blunt, the interface is not as terrible as many make out. Most of the ramblings and bashing come from old school techs that are afraid of change. It's a typical human trait. We can't blame them. Personally, I jumped onboard the train 18 months ago with Windows Phone and am now quite used to the new paradigm. It actually works very well when you shift your mindset.
But what excatly is so smartphone about Windows 8? It has same design language yes, and that's about it.
One of the first thing I tried after I began to run windows 8 was to communicate with my EGG bank, no luck it said I must load IE8 !!
I guess the bank doesn't support IE9 or IE10 if it wants IE8. Try switching to compatibility mode or use the developer tools [which are one time usage] to drop down to IE8. Partially blamre Microsoft but more blame on the bank.
Any ideas what the licensing model will be?
One low cost fee for all your devices! I wonder.
One low cost fee for all your devices! I wonder.
Don't expect much of a change. I didn't see "Ultimate". So far just Enterprise, Business [formerly "Pro" I guess] and Home. "Starter" usually isn't listed as it's for OEMs. I think ARM edition(s) are OEM. So no pricing there.
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