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Maybe that's why I use Scroogle instead of blindly trusting an entity that is at its core about monetizing my traffic.
You refer to Watson as "he"...How do you know Watson's gender is male?
I guess you're a Republican.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
I guess you're a Republican.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
louishelps = Well - he has a male voice is the first clue....
since it doesn't actually have a meaningful gender, being a machine and all.
At least I hope the IBM didn't fit it with genitalia...
At least I hope the IBM didn't fit it with genitalia...
Knowing just how evil Google is, I do not think the EU is unreasonable at all. The question is who/or what is Google to go about acting like big brother? Telling the world who or what should be seen based on its "bias" of search results. At least the EU (government) has been democratically elected (largely, we hope). Google is a commercial organization owned by a few youngsters with very little real world experience.
The Google SERPS are purely algorithms written, not by God, but by a faceless imported programmer from India (a la Panda update) that will determine what results are presented to me.
Think again.
And for they record, Google have in the past shown ill-use of the info they collect. What they are doing is wrong, pure and simple.
The Google SERPS are purely algorithms written, not by God, but by a faceless imported programmer from India (a la Panda update) that will determine what results are presented to me.
Think again.
And for they record, Google have in the past shown ill-use of the info they collect. What they are doing is wrong, pure and simple.
On the one hand, I do agree with you, it is unknown what google will do with our information. There is always a trade-off between privacy and efficiency.
Government is there to protect us from greedy corporations and misuse of our data.
On the other hand, living in Germany I have to clear a misunderstanding. The EU is not a government. It does not even have a democratically elected parliament.
There is a EU Parliament, but it is dictated upon the people living in the member countries.
The EU is really unpopular by the citizens. They always try to restrict our lives with additional unnecessary laws and have dumb demands to companies and people living in Europe.
Therefore, it happens often that the EU-Ministers do only follow the oppinions of a select few lobbyists (Pharma for ACTA) and not the voice of the people. They would actually prefer to put as back in the middle ages and cut off everyone from the internet, who gets caught burning a copyprotected cd only once, which is illegal even for backup purposes in Germany...
Actually, they don't understand anything that google is up to!
I really like how I can now back up all my data at once and even see all the data that google has collected about me.
Government is there to protect us from greedy corporations and misuse of our data.
On the other hand, living in Germany I have to clear a misunderstanding. The EU is not a government. It does not even have a democratically elected parliament.
There is a EU Parliament, but it is dictated upon the people living in the member countries.
The EU is really unpopular by the citizens. They always try to restrict our lives with additional unnecessary laws and have dumb demands to companies and people living in Europe.
Therefore, it happens often that the EU-Ministers do only follow the oppinions of a select few lobbyists (Pharma for ACTA) and not the voice of the people. They would actually prefer to put as back in the middle ages and cut off everyone from the internet, who gets caught burning a copyprotected cd only once, which is illegal even for backup purposes in Germany...
Actually, they don't understand anything that google is up to!
I really like how I can now back up all my data at once and even see all the data that google has collected about me.
The EU Parliament is democratically elected by the peoples of the states of the European Union. Like the U.S. Congress, though in different ways, it can be rather ineffective, but it can and does question Commission members, and its ratification is required for treaties the EU makes..
if you don't want to control nasties on the Web and allow them to make it into Skynet you're welcome but you don't have to force your misguided beliefs on anyone else and nor do you have the right to.
Google on the other hand is welcome to try but they also have to expect Governments to put up objections and prevent them from getting their way on World Domination. Nothing new there.
If you find the Eu's actions so objectionable perhaps you shouldn't ever go near the place as most people there feel that they are doing the right thing in protecting them from the Big Bad Corporations who will do as they please when they want and to who they want.
Col
Google on the other hand is welcome to try but they also have to expect Governments to put up objections and prevent them from getting their way on World Domination. Nothing new there.
If you find the Eu's actions so objectionable perhaps you shouldn't ever go near the place as most people there feel that they are doing the right thing in protecting them from the Big Bad Corporations who will do as they please when they want and to who they want.
Col
HAL 9000 = I don't believe in belief systems. And how do you know what 'most people think' - a bit of a misguided assumption don't you think! And boy have you got a shock coming when IPv6 takes over....I'll blog that one when I get a chance 
I'd not say another word about the "misguided assumptions" of others.
What with the stones and the glass houses.
What with the stones and the glass houses.
The EU privacy protections are the result of a tug'o'war; the Corpies are trying to loosen it up, while the people are trying to defend themselves from corporate spying.
We don't need no stinkin' commentators shilling the Corpies' viewpoints.
The idea that a "sentient web" will arise, which will make people "more effective" is TOTAL BUNK. People already have all the tools they need to be "more effective"... and we all know it.
We're not living up to our potential of "more effective" because we are PROCRASTINATING. If the Corpies are allowed to rape our privacy to make this "magical web", and IF it "magically" makes us "more effective"... then we'll only PROCRASTINATE HARDER.
In the old days, people like Cochrane would be tarred and feathered for trying to sell us all out. Maybe it's time to be traditional about it?
We don't need no stinkin' commentators shilling the Corpies' viewpoints.
The idea that a "sentient web" will arise, which will make people "more effective" is TOTAL BUNK. People already have all the tools they need to be "more effective"... and we all know it.
We're not living up to our potential of "more effective" because we are PROCRASTINATING. If the Corpies are allowed to rape our privacy to make this "magical web", and IF it "magically" makes us "more effective"... then we'll only PROCRASTINATE HARDER.
In the old days, people like Cochrane would be tarred and feathered for trying to sell us all out. Maybe it's time to be traditional about it?
AnsuGisalas = I appreciate your depth of thought and analysis. In my country we stopped thinking like this around 1500.
You produce a cheap piece of raving, incoherent propaganda, and this level of comment is all I'll bother with.
You have to earn the respect it takes to make me make a serious effort.
You have to earn the respect it takes to make me make a serious effort.
What a one-sided article! Fails to understand or even mention the valid reasons behind the opposing point of view.
The thrust of this article seems to be about 'efficiency' for the end user, but what I see is our privacy being taken away in order to provide better advertising / marketing, not better 'efficiency'
The thrust of this article seems to be about 'efficiency' for the end user, but what I see is our privacy being taken away in order to provide better advertising / marketing, not better 'efficiency'
BT has always been staunchly behind the notion of private enterprise screwing over the consumer! 
AnsuGisalas = How did BT get in here? I don't work for BT - just my own company!
random2010 It aint an article it's a blog! And I figured that with all the noise from the naysayers I needn't bother repeating their misguided views.
I agree that a sentient web is a wonderful goal, but agree entirely with @bboyd.
Well, I fully expect a sentient web to be smart enough to see what's wrong with the world... people
AnsuGisalas = Machines are smart, but they aint mean - unless we teach them that is. If we program them to kill people - then that is another debate and another problem set...
So are they smart enough to work out that Humans destroy more than they produce?
Once the Smart Web does that what's the next Computer Logic telling itself Humans are not needed and then it starts to take steps to eliminate them.
SKYNET by any another name still has the same effect.
Col
Once the Smart Web does that what's the next Computer Logic telling itself Humans are not needed and then it starts to take steps to eliminate them.
SKYNET by any another name still has the same effect.
Col
nickweavers = Well it is coming rather fast in the form of AI in The Cloud. The naysayers will no doubt do their bit as usual, but I don't see any slowdown in technology, creativity and silicon evolution. All we have to do is wait. Watson is just the tip of the iceberg.
I am in agreement with them. Google act as if they own the web. I will not do business with any company that require me to sign on google.
mailman30 = Can't imagine why anyone would want to ask you to do anything of the kind!
The EU are right to protect our privacy. We have already seen the FBI is to monitor conversations on Facebook and now Twitter is selling copies of all it's users conversations. One reason NOT to use these comercial spy programs. Why is the US so keen to monitor all our lives? Is there no privacy from BBig Brother uncle Sam?
"Uncle Sam" has been bought and paid for by Corporate entities... not the yanks' fault - apart from letting it happen, I guess.
AnsuGisalas = Could just be that they are more enlightened and future facing?
Watch your language! Future facing? You kiss your mother with that mouth?
cunnind = But that is exactly what they are not doing. They are meddling with your freedom!
The EU is a pretty good watchdog and it uses its powers in the interest of its members.
I will wait to see how this process will plan out before I make up my mind on its importance.
I will wait to see how this process will plan out before I make up my mind on its importance.
alfowler@... = They are great at spending taxpayers contributions for sure...but I'm not so happy as you re their effectiveness....it will be interesting to see ho all this pans out!
"The Provider has no liability under this EULA, unless you live in the EU, in which case the provider has liability in accordance to the law".
Speaks volumes.
It also speaks volumes that the bloodsucker industry needs people to run the kind of interference you're trying to run.
I do appreciate that you participate in the discussion, but you might want to adjust your software keyboard, it's a bit messy. You could also be clearer about what you mean, and provide more concrete details.
Speaks volumes.
It also speaks volumes that the bloodsucker industry needs people to run the kind of interference you're trying to run.
I do appreciate that you participate in the discussion, but you might want to adjust your software keyboard, it's a bit messy. You could also be clearer about what you mean, and provide more concrete details.
Ok, giving that (your blog), I can partially agree to your statement that Google uses this data for quicker access to what we all use and need. But I think the E.U. is right. I pointed out this in a previous blog when Google announced their new policy.....How much intell do they realy need? And, will Google release ALL Information on what data is collected, and to their extent of it being used? Lets face it, Gmail already knows any detail you send via email (great for storage by the way), would they use this info, could they sell this info? Hmmmmmm,,,, Google, I hope your reading this! Let someone (maybe from Tech Rep) have a meeting/ tour, and release the real deal! I don't care about you making money, you need too! It's about my privacy!
jls65 = I'll settle for partial agreement - let's see how it pans out - but the EU really are control freaks!
I don't want Google to know who I am, what I like and what I do. I don't want Google to invade my mind to discover the keys to what it is that makes me open my wallet. I want my internet to be soulless. If I decide I want my computer to 'know' my choices then fair enough. I'll use bookmarks or links. I'll happily use cookies as long as I retain control of them. To be honest, the less I see of Google the better. And the less Google 'sees' of me is infinitely more so.
Snak = Absolutely not - if only I had been that smart and with enough funds - ho hum!
All this optimism assumes responsible, ethical, legal use of our data, while every day brings more reasons not to risk that assumption. This is an interesting article, but only in terms of potential, not likelihood.
cd003284@ = I regularly get emails from government departments that are cc instead of Bcc. They make the laws and them break them! I just take the opportunity to link with all the interesting people who's email addresses I get gratis.
So on further examination. Who loses and misplaces more than any other body? Government! Companies cannot afford to - they lose the trust of their customers and their dead in the water. A bank, telco, card co et al live in fear of customer data being leaked...and they do a lot about trying to prevent it happening. BUT the dark side gets mor cunning and nothing is perfect...
Thanks for the input
So on further examination. Who loses and misplaces more than any other body? Government! Companies cannot afford to - they lose the trust of their customers and their dead in the water. A bank, telco, card co et al live in fear of customer data being leaked...and they do a lot about trying to prevent it happening. BUT the dark side gets mor cunning and nothing is perfect...
Thanks for the input
They always collected your data and used it for their purposes, the only difference is they bothered the make their privacy policy more readable.
Does it say in there that they intend to sell your browsing habits to third parties?
For many many years google has been tracking us, and you don't need an account to be tracked. Google analytics appears to be on every website now.
Does it say in there that they intend to sell your browsing habits to third parties?
For many many years google has been tracking us, and you don't need an account to be tracked. Google analytics appears to be on every website now.
Slayer = Spot on! And if they upset us - the users - our walking away will hurt more than any political smoke and mirrors.
I'll scrounge you up a link.
Basically, your browsing habits used to be cordoned off from your mail and other services use. Now they're in one stew, and it has some problematic implications.
Here's some of what the EFF had to say about it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/how-remove-your-google-search-history-googles-new-privacy-policy-takes-effect
Basically, your browsing habits used to be cordoned off from your mail and other services use. Now they're in one stew, and it has some problematic implications.
Here's some of what the EFF had to say about it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/how-remove-your-google-search-history-googles-new-privacy-policy-takes-effect
The EU is one of the few entities with enough power and enough backbone to protect individuals from excessive corporate power and greed. Thank goodness they're on these issues.
LedLincoln = Really - your talking about one of the biggest gravy trains on the plane with pretty huge levels of unnecessary bureaucracy, unparalleled levels of inefficiency, and a collection of bankrupt states...hmmm
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