It is strange, but I would pick these 2 environments as well for the same reasons. I love lightweight desktops & am a keyboard shortcut fanatic so being able to create or tweak those is very important. Another nice thing about e17 is that if u use an older crappy machine, it can still feel fast, responsive & eye catching at the same time. for super efficiency I would like to see damnsmallinux w/ e17. I know you used to be able to add an e16 module which is still good, but e17 is way better.