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Tim, well said!
The thought about why not use Win 98SE occurred to me too.
"So if I'm going to advocate staying on an OS to the detriment of my company (financially or otherwise); then in my honest opinion, I better have a damn good reason for it."
You said a mouthful there. I was building our company network and server when the XP-->Vista change happened. I ordered business machines that came with a 3 year on site and a free downgrade to XP with a copy of Vista for when were ready. I also chose Server 2003 to run the quad core server. We only had 6 desktops and 5 laptops to support. Of course we never loaded Vista, I tried it on my HTPC at home and hated the bloat with no float. I have since retired again at 58 and they are still running XP. I am going to have a talk with them about doing a paid consult to bring them over to Windows 7. Then get rid of their bloated Acronis sever and workstation software and replace it with the onboard back up solutions already in 7 for imaging. No big cost except for me. But that is not a giant corporate system like we had before I retired from the AF. They of course are running XP too right? Wrong! And they are not waging a cyber war as we type are they? Of course they are. When you can buy computers today with a functional OS already loaded ion them with productivity software included you can thank The recent crop of folks who merely continued what was started before them Gates, Kildall, Woz/Jobs, and Torvalds. That our infrastructure is safe so far in the US you can thank the Military for. They aren't still using XP either. I think their networks are larger than any corporate one aren't they? And don't talk to me about funding because they are, and have been, working with half and doing twice as much for several decades since about 1975. But they don't run XP either.
"Just saying that there's nobody out there to do your work for you is kinda cheap. And I'm not talking about testing stuff that has no impact; we know Microsoft will pull support for a prior OS once the current OS gains traction. History tells us this. "
Amen again. And it starts with self. My goodness are there people in IT who don't have home systems to use as initial test beds? Because no matter what is under the hood of the server/s, that is the major thing to contend with, the end users. I have been around around too many social misfits who consider the stupid "LUSERS" (not users) to be an intrusion and beneath them. And the senior company leadership to be the same just not to be treated with overt smugness. I had to get rid of folks that despite training could not crack the code of how to be proactive instead of reactive.
The answer to should you be ditched because you are that old is increasingly yes. If you have, at any age, ceased to be able to change and adapt regardless of your calendar age you are over the hill, and a young 59 year old like me can step in and make things happen.
But here is the most compelling reason to consider 8 and see what it may do for your company. It will be the first and only completely unified desktop/server/ AND mobile OS that will be consistent across the board. It is in development right now and you people who pretend to be technologists are covering your ears and screaming NA NA NA NA NA NA!
I guess I am getting old but we used to pull all nighters at home when we got a new OS, or hardware piece we could learn. In the 80s there were no IT departments for the emerging Micro computers soon to be called PCs. We used to have to use crude tools like edlin to write batch files to automate anything. Then we strung them together and added some language and we were making programs. But here, where once you strain out the wannabe's it is just us techs talking.
For the first time in the history of MS they are releasing their newest OS to regular users. And here we are talking amongst ourselves and you are giving us the BS that apparently works for you someplace.
There are people right now who see it. My age to tweens. 8 will be mobile, touch, phone and slate, desktop and tablet. What you don't know about Windows 8 is apparent to those of us who have actually tried it. It is merely a better Windows 7 so far on the desktop mode. I have used it and it does not drop us into a metro abyss with regular desktop programs and functions. All of your users will adapt immediately if they have a Win 7 machine at home. They might even have a spare laptop that they are experimenting with 8 on without your knowlege. They might even be putting your company software in virtual scenarios and figuring out the steps to a smooth transition to an integrated mobile and office device world that will streamline the company and its IT ecosystem.
So let me see if I have this straight. Yiou are the IT personm maybe even the head of an IT depaqrtment, and you don't run anything but XP at home right? Oh you have 7 at home? So you know 7 works and is just like XP pretty much for the end users. But at work you are convinced that it won't work with your network? Why didn't you write the software? No? Then the work was done by others. Those other probably already have advanced to Windows 7 and are testing 8 right? If not, you are in trouble if you stay and if you go. In any event the coordination will be done bu the software writers internal or external for 7, and many will already be getting their systems ready to go from 7 to 8. I can't believe there are company CEOs who have allowed their company to sit on XP and haven't realized why. Or don't care.
In the past 4 decades of electronics and computer work I have encountered folks who when I already was using a beta that was closed were bragging to users about how they are exclusive beta testers and started prevaricating things the beta just didn't have or do. I never corrected them, just made a mental note to get rid of them if they worked in my section, or to never allow them anywhere near any work group I was leading. Nothing personal, either here or there. I wouldn't want to be personal with one of those 10-20% we find in any group. Thank goodness I know about the other 80-90% who are ready to replace them and help us succeed with a smile not endure with a scowl.
Anyway folks, if you are real and haven't gotten a
"Round Tuit" yet, consider this a gift of one. Try it for a few weeks before your CEO does and you tell him some of the same tell-tales some of you have here. It may not be for you or your company, but many here don't know that yet except as hearsay.
"So if I'm going to advocate staying on an OS to the detriment of my company (financially or otherwise); then in my honest opinion, I better have a damn good reason for it."
You said a mouthful there. I was building our company network and server when the XP-->Vista change happened. I ordered business machines that came with a 3 year on site and a free downgrade to XP with a copy of Vista for when were ready. I also chose Server 2003 to run the quad core server. We only had 6 desktops and 5 laptops to support. Of course we never loaded Vista, I tried it on my HTPC at home and hated the bloat with no float. I have since retired again at 58 and they are still running XP. I am going to have a talk with them about doing a paid consult to bring them over to Windows 7. Then get rid of their bloated Acronis sever and workstation software and replace it with the onboard back up solutions already in 7 for imaging. No big cost except for me. But that is not a giant corporate system like we had before I retired from the AF. They of course are running XP too right? Wrong! And they are not waging a cyber war as we type are they? Of course they are. When you can buy computers today with a functional OS already loaded ion them with productivity software included you can thank The recent crop of folks who merely continued what was started before them Gates, Kildall, Woz/Jobs, and Torvalds. That our infrastructure is safe so far in the US you can thank the Military for. They aren't still using XP either. I think their networks are larger than any corporate one aren't they? And don't talk to me about funding because they are, and have been, working with half and doing twice as much for several decades since about 1975. But they don't run XP either.
"Just saying that there's nobody out there to do your work for you is kinda cheap. And I'm not talking about testing stuff that has no impact; we know Microsoft will pull support for a prior OS once the current OS gains traction. History tells us this. "
Amen again. And it starts with self. My goodness are there people in IT who don't have home systems to use as initial test beds? Because no matter what is under the hood of the server/s, that is the major thing to contend with, the end users. I have been around around too many social misfits who consider the stupid "LUSERS" (not users) to be an intrusion and beneath them. And the senior company leadership to be the same just not to be treated with overt smugness. I had to get rid of folks that despite training could not crack the code of how to be proactive instead of reactive.
The answer to should you be ditched because you are that old is increasingly yes. If you have, at any age, ceased to be able to change and adapt regardless of your calendar age you are over the hill, and a young 59 year old like me can step in and make things happen.
But here is the most compelling reason to consider 8 and see what it may do for your company. It will be the first and only completely unified desktop/server/ AND mobile OS that will be consistent across the board. It is in development right now and you people who pretend to be technologists are covering your ears and screaming NA NA NA NA NA NA!
I guess I am getting old but we used to pull all nighters at home when we got a new OS, or hardware piece we could learn. In the 80s there were no IT departments for the emerging Micro computers soon to be called PCs. We used to have to use crude tools like edlin to write batch files to automate anything. Then we strung them together and added some language and we were making programs. But here, where once you strain out the wannabe's it is just us techs talking.
For the first time in the history of MS they are releasing their newest OS to regular users. And here we are talking amongst ourselves and you are giving us the BS that apparently works for you someplace.
There are people right now who see it. My age to tweens. 8 will be mobile, touch, phone and slate, desktop and tablet. What you don't know about Windows 8 is apparent to those of us who have actually tried it. It is merely a better Windows 7 so far on the desktop mode. I have used it and it does not drop us into a metro abyss with regular desktop programs and functions. All of your users will adapt immediately if they have a Win 7 machine at home. They might even have a spare laptop that they are experimenting with 8 on without your knowlege. They might even be putting your company software in virtual scenarios and figuring out the steps to a smooth transition to an integrated mobile and office device world that will streamline the company and its IT ecosystem.
So let me see if I have this straight. Yiou are the IT personm maybe even the head of an IT depaqrtment, and you don't run anything but XP at home right? Oh you have 7 at home? So you know 7 works and is just like XP pretty much for the end users. But at work you are convinced that it won't work with your network? Why didn't you write the software? No? Then the work was done by others. Those other probably already have advanced to Windows 7 and are testing 8 right? If not, you are in trouble if you stay and if you go. In any event the coordination will be done bu the software writers internal or external for 7, and many will already be getting their systems ready to go from 7 to 8. I can't believe there are company CEOs who have allowed their company to sit on XP and haven't realized why. Or don't care.
In the past 4 decades of electronics and computer work I have encountered folks who when I already was using a beta that was closed were bragging to users about how they are exclusive beta testers and started prevaricating things the beta just didn't have or do. I never corrected them, just made a mental note to get rid of them if they worked in my section, or to never allow them anywhere near any work group I was leading. Nothing personal, either here or there. I wouldn't want to be personal with one of those 10-20% we find in any group. Thank goodness I know about the other 80-90% who are ready to replace them and help us succeed with a smile not endure with a scowl.
Anyway folks, if you are real and haven't gotten a
"Round Tuit" yet, consider this a gift of one. Try it for a few weeks before your CEO does and you tell him some of the same tell-tales some of you have here. It may not be for you or your company, but many here don't know that yet except as hearsay.
Posted by AreV
Updated - 14th Mar 2012
