Hello Jack and Co. I choke when trying to speak the names MS and MAC as they are fathered by two quite horrid individuals, with the same greedy gene. But then quite a lot of greedy genes are at large in the computing world; they want to be like Gates or Jobs. My problem with the Open Source Community is that it is crammed with people who know what they are doing with code etc. It's a pity that there are no really good value teaching aids on, say, Ubuntu. By Good Value I mean not written by a writer of code who cannot write English, not even American English (now here is an example of inappropriate change). I prefer Ubuntu 10.04 to 11.10 because of the Desktop and only because I cannot get the 11.10 desktop to do anything I want it to do. One example will suffice: I Open gmail and use it then I try to put it into the silly bit at the left side so that next time I can click on it to open it. Wrong glue; it does not stick and is lost forever. Now I have spent a 'fair amount of time' try to work out ways of getting this to work; without any success. There is not a lot wrong with my logic. Open Source cannot advance unless people like me, I'm retired, 73 and I help my fellow citizens keep their computers working and supplied with software. I would be forever running around trying to keep these people compute with Ubuntu 11.10 for the reason given. Someone who writes good code, get together with someone who writes good English and has the explanations and reasons for the code explained to them; then there is a chance of a book that covers all the basic problems that I find with people trying to get into Open source. It is not change that is the problem; but change that does not work or is hard to figure out how to get it to work. MS sufferers will probably find W8 a pain, but they will not complain as they have been anaesthetized by the shock of the cost of their software and the lack of real support (free) from MS.